Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

[dannno]

Naysayers, what say you now?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Naysayers, what say you now?

 

[Bruno]

Lol ^^^

Effective toady, "Because he doesn't have to show it! ", is changed to "I guess he can't, since it doesn't exist. :o"

 

[RyanRSheets]

You don't get it....the birth certificate issue is the fastest way to reverse all the damage Obama has signed into law...

What makes you think it would change anything, aside from the President? They don't follow the Constitution.

I see one of two outrageous scenarios happening if Obama was to be revealed as an ineligible President:
1) Congress deems it "Necessary and Proper" for the "General Welfare" of the American people to consider all bills falsely passed under the ineligible President to be official law.
2) The legitimacy of the laws goes to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court declares all of the laws to be official law, or it allows the sitting President to vote on each piece of law again, making them "official" and effectively striking out the meaning of this clause of the Constitution.

There's just no way that they would allow every law passed under Obama to be overturned in an instant. It is going to take a majority in Washington, which we do not have.

 

[Stary Hickory]

What makes you think it would change anything, aside from the President? They don't follow the Constitution.

I see one of two outrageous scenarios happening if Obama was to be revealed as an ineligible President:
1) Congress deems it "Necessary and Proper" for the "General Welfare" of the American people to consider all bills falsely passed under the ineligible President to be official law.
2) The legitimacy of the laws goes to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court declares all of the laws to be official law, or it allows the sitting President to vote on each piece of law again, making them "official" and effectively striking out the meaning of this clause of the Constitution.

There's just no way that they would allow every law passed under Obama to be overturned in an instant. It is going to take a majority in Washington, which we do not have.

Dude if it turned out that Obama did not have eligibility then there would be hell to pay.....politically. Obamacare will wilt away....his SC picks will be called into question. The mostly leftist media frenzy against any rational person who dared wonder if Obama's secrecy has something to do with his ineligibly would be maligned....they would be further ignored and pushed the side.

There is a lot of change that can happen if this was true. If true it means Obama basically forged documents, lied to America ro get elected, Then he ridiculed and laughed at anyone questioning it, it means congress wil look even that more stupid for simply holding a vote affirming his eligibilty rather than be honest and look into it.

If you will remember McCain Obama's opponent was INVESTIGATED and he produced documents. Further more what happened to Grandma? Really.....I mean that would be the next question if such things were true. She says a little something about being there when Obama was born, right before the presidential elections, and the next thing you know poor Old Grandma is unavailable to comment on account of the fact she is dead.

Really.....so much political fallout would happen...that I am skeptical it's true. I can't see anyone trying to pull something like this....it really makes me think something is amiss.....but if it is true...my god...it would be pretty huge.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Check out the spin! Ohh, Ahhh - waht fantastic lies!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, launched an investigation last month into whether he can release more information about the president's Aug. 4, 1961 birth. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama's birthplace for political reasons.

But Abercrombie's attempt reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options.

Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.

So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because they say there's no proof he was born in the United States, with many of the skeptics questioning whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.

Hawaii's health director said in 2008 and 2009 that she had seen and verified Obama's original vital records, and birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers were published within days of Obama's birth at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu.

Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo again confirmed Friday that Obama's name is found in its alphabetical list of names of people born in Hawaii, maintained in bound copies available for public view.

That information, called index data, shows a listing for "Obama II, Barack Hussein, Male," according to the department's website.

"The index is just to say who has their records within the department. That's an indication," Okubo said. "I can't talk about anyone's records."

The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

They (Government) look out for their own. I'm still wondering why the last Hawaiian governor Linda Lingle sealed Barry's records and access. Now I wonder why, because listen to the YouTube Interview.

"I had my Health Director view the actual birth certificate and declares Obama born at Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu."

They can put it all to rest by just displaying the original hospital B.C. then it ends all questioning/accusations/suits/pundits... or is this another 'Jobs Creator'.

Ex Governor Linda Lingle states the reason we don't allow access or display the Obama original Birth Certificate is because of "Identity Theft". Are you fucking kidding me? 6 BILLION PEOPLE on the Planet know who OBAMA is, which he is protected by 10,000's of federal/state agents/police and protected with $100's of millions, if not Billions of American and foreign currency spent. That's the biggest bullshit excuse ever... sorry honey, that ain't flying.

All these stories are conflicting... the gig is up on someone. Linda Lingle appears to be awfully chummy with Barry for being a Republican. I'd like to see Lingles electronic and physical records say from 2000-2009.

Check out the spin! Ohh, Ahhh - what fantastic lies!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

 

[Stary Hickory]

Well at the very least Obama will have to one way or another comply with the law if States to pass laws requiring candidates produce proof. People can say this has been a distraction but I will get a great deal of personal satisfaction seeming Obama conform and actually obey the god damn law. One way or another. To have not released a document like this after such a long period of time and in light of the fact that many many people harbor doubts about his honesty in this matter is borderline insane. It's criminal if you consider the military members who have put their careers on the line to try and get answers.

If there is speculation on whether or not Obama is eligible he has only himself to blame. He alone created this mess. You could try and convince me for a 100 years that this is some kind of political manuvering and I would tell you that I see no benefit in what Obama is doing if he indeed has the BC. It makes no sense, and a lot of grief and doubt have been the cost of one man's vanity and arrogance.

I am glad at the very least states will take him down a couple pegs and force Constitutionality on this matter at the very least...maybe they will make a habit of it with nullifications.

 

[jmdrake]

What makes you think it would change anything, aside from the President? They don't follow the Constitution.

I see one of two outrageous scenarios happening if Obama was to be revealed as an ineligible President:
1) Congress deems it "Necessary and Proper" for the "General Welfare" of the American people to consider all bills falsely passed under the ineligible President to be official law.

Ummm....no way in hell. The GOP has the house. While the GOP can't be trusted worth a flip they can be trusted to selfishly act in their own interest. It would not be in the interest of the GOP to be seen as supporting illegitimate Obama law. If the crap hits the fan the GOP votes for impeachment and the democratically controlled senate fails to convict.

Technically though, from a constitutional point of view I'm not sure what the answer is if in fact Obama is not eligible to be president. Whenever the president refuses to sign a law, but does not veto it, it becomes law anyway within 10 days unless congress adjourns within 10 days of the laws passage. From Article 1 section 7:

. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

So, this would entail going back and looking at every bill to see if congress adjourned within 10 days of the bills passage. Note congress passed health care right before the easter recess. Do you honestly believe that the GOP would abandoned this clear chance to "repeal and replace" healthcare? I don't.

2) The legitimacy of the laws goes to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court declares all of the laws to be official law, or it allows the sitting President to vote on each piece of law again, making them "official" and effectively striking out the meaning of this clause of the Constitution.

There's just no way that they would allow every law passed under Obama to be overturned in an instant. It is going to take a majority in Washington, which we do not have.

There is enough of an anti Obama majority in the house to prevent congress from "deeming" Obama laws "necessary and proper". I would suspect the Supreme Court would declare this to be a "political question" and not even take the case. The biggest significance of all of this is that any serviceman or civil servant that doesn't want to follow a presidential directive now has a very good argument. If they are prosecuted they can claim as their defense that the president is not legit. The burden of proof would be on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are wrong. In other words the burden would be on the GOVERNMENT to prove that Obama is a natural born citizen. We live in interesting times indeed.

 

[Stary Hickory]

The major blowback is that Obama would never be reelected in 2012. If would sweep in more Rs and be a total reversal of this lunacy we have been enduring. Impeachment....I don't know it might happen. It should...Obama should step down. But at the very least politically it would be suicide.

This is why I am skeptical that the Obama Administration would lie about this...not in this way especially if the document simply does not exist in Hawaii. Sooner or later that has to come out. If they had some kind of fake or forged document there....well that is what you might expect, but the reports that there aint nothing there...well they seem hard to believe, because who would b stupid enough to run for POTUS knowing full well there are no records in the state they are saying there are records.

 

[Bruno]

The Governor knew the whole time he had little chance of releasing it without Obama's permission. That was never the issue. What is the issue is that he couldn't even find the document that the Hawaii State Director of Health swears he personally viewed and verified. Either it never existed and the State Director was lying, it has been hidden or detroyed, or the Governor is lying because he found it and didn't like what he saw.

I like how they point out he knew Barack Obama as a child, as if that proves anything. He first remembers him when he was playing tee-ball.

And another point about the article, those who question his birthplace are called conspirators. Interesting they turned the tables, as those who question his birthplace may be called conspiracy theorists, but the real conspirators are the ones who are conspiring to keep the truth hidden.

 

[Deborah K]

I remember getting soooo much shit on these very forums for questioning his citizenship. Even by some on this very thread who now seemed to have changed their views.

 

[Bruno]

I remember getting soooo much shit on these very forums for questioning his citizenship. Even by some on this very thread who now seemed to have changed their views.

Think how the Governor of Hawaii must feel, if it makes you feel any better.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The major blowback is that Obama would never be reelected in 2012. If would sweep in more Rs and be a total reversal of this lunacy we have been enduring.

Don't bet on it. History isn't on your side.

 

[oyarde]

Don't bet on it. History isn't on your side.

True that defeating a sitting Pres is very , difficult . There has never been a Pres in my lifetime that will be running with an unemployment rate as high as it will be for him .

 

[Anti Federalist]

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

"Conspirators" are not people seeking out the truth and trying to fight through all the lies and bullshit.

"Conspirators" are the guilty parties in a "conspiracy".

:collins:

 

[itshappening]

This has potential to grow into a massive scandal

Especially after the Gov. declared he would find the document and release it, now he says he can't.

The story is becoming critical mass and now there needs to be a major investigation by one of the top newspapers (fat chance of that but you never know).

I don't know how else this will move along, the courts could make this messy. I expect them to protect the president and strike down all these laws and tests.

 

[Promontorium]

I'm not sure I follow, but why is a birth certificate considered wrong? I'm against social security numbers, national ID, and such things, but a birth certificate simply shows that you were born. If you ever try to track your family history, a birth certificate is a great way to do so, and in my opinion is the only ID one should ever need, other than perhaps a driver's license. Since a birth certificate cannot track where you are or what you've done other than prove that you were born and where you were born, what is wrong with it?

Holy shit, someone replied to me without calling me a troll just because they disagree with me!!!!

Stop the presses! Someone didn't give me -Rep even though they think I'm wrong!!!


Havness, I'm actually in the middle on this issue, which is exactly why I thought it was funny looking at both extremes. I'm pro ID, so I get shit from the anti-ID people. I'm pro-citizenship, so I get shit from anti-citizenship people. I'm not a birther, so I get shit from the birthers.

It would seem being in the middle is a terribly derided position, but can't you see that being so extreme makes one see everyone else as the opposition?

If Obama is shown to not be born here, boot him, I just don't think there's positive evidence for that. Isn't that a (what's that word?) reasonable position?

I understand why people are averse to ever increasing ID requirements, we are being lead down a path to being serial numbered slabs of meat, eliminating anonymity. However I don't think people should be wholly untraceable, does this sound reasonable? I think in a benevolent system, ID is a good thing, I don't find ID inherently wrong, I think the system makes it sour. Compare "Hello my name is..." stickers at social/business events vs. needing an ID card to walk the streets. One is insane to me, the other promotes love.

But yeah, back to your regularly scheduled douchebaggery people, give me -Rep because I alluded to not agreeing with you before you even said anything (cause I'm somehow psychically trolling).

 

[Anti Federalist]

But yeah, back to your regularly scheduled douchebaggery people, give me -Rep because I alluded to not agreeing with you before you even said anything (cause I'm somehow psychically trolling).

I'll give you more +rep when I can, since you seem so butthurt over the whole rep thing.





:collins:

 

[jmdrake]

I remember getting soooo much shit on these very forums for questioning his citizenship. Even by some on this very thread who now seemed to have changed their views.

I may have been one of them. I don't mind admitting I was wrong. That said, the silver lining is that it may be possible to use this issue to effectively nullify his presidency. Had one of the other rinos/dinos been elected that wouldn't be an option. :collins: