Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

[invisible]

this is just insane, like 1=1 having sex with 1+1=3.

Happens all the time, having two girls is great. Nothing insane about that, you should try it sometime.

 

[Anti Federalist]

now that it appears the affidavit is absolutely genuine, it will be interesting to see if anybody takes action against him for libel, or if warrants are issued from a court on account of it. My guess is neither will happen and the story will languish and die.

Or Mr. Adams...

Like I've said many times before, I haven't been out beating this drum, but something is really starting to stink here.

And to all those asking "why bother", you bother because it's the constitution, and I'll happily embarrass any member of the ruling class for violation of that document on any grounds.

 

[CaliforniaMom]

Honestly, I think he was born in a foreign country. However it'd take some extremely strong evidence and proof before he'd ever be impeached.
Does he have any photos of his birth? Almost always people take photos of their newborn baby at the hospital where they are born. If he was born in the Hawaiian hospital as he claims, why not just show a photo?

 

[idirtify]

now that it appears the affidavit is absolutely genuine, it will be interesting to see if anybody takes action against him for libel, or if warrants are issued from a court on account of it.

Just one itsy bitsy libel suit against one teeny tiny birther would be a giant wet dream for all birthers.

 

[anaconda]

So birthers, do you support government mandated birth certs? SSNs before the baby leaves the hospital? Out of the womb serial numbers stamped on baby? National IDs?

This is why I find you people ridiculous. On the one hand you're a neocon fascist Hitlerbama if you think anyone should ever even have ID, or citizenship. And then the same people drinking at the same liberty parties think it's the Obamapocalypse if Barry might not have a birth cert from the hospital or that the horror he might not have been born on an island imperialist/corporatist America stole from the natives.

If I'm wrong, I never want to see a birther thread again, or an ID bitchfest thread. Or the two groups should fight to the death because this is just insane, like 1=1 having sex with 1+1=3.

My issue with your reasoning is that this is not infringing on anyone's civil liberties, as a national ID card would be. This is simply expecting people who seek positions for which the U.S. Constitution specifies a few simple prerequisites to honor an defend it by expressly satisfying them. The notion that birthers are akin to Gestapo agents asking Obama for "his papers" is invalid in my opinion.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Honestly, I think he was born in a foreign country. However it'd take some extremely strong evidence and proof before he'd ever be impeached.
Does he have any photos of his birth? Almost always people take photos of their newborn baby at the hospital where they are born. If he was born in the Hawaiian hospital as he claims, why not just show a photo?

He was born fifty years ago, cameras weren't as prevalent and inexpensive as they are now.

 

[dannno]

Why are people more worried about his certificate than him re-approving the Patriot Act or him KILLING more Afghans (remember when people die they don't come back!) or him letting the bailouts pass?

Because they are probably blackmailing him into doing all that shit BECAUSE of his damn lack of birth certificate.

Purpose. Of. Vetting. Candidates.

 

[Kylie]

Same here. I was wondering where her county was, and just wondering what the heck a "notary at large" for a whole state was. Then i found this website:

http://www.sos.ky.gov/adminservices/notaries/atlarge/

and apparently a "Notary At large" is a specific post designed to notarize items that may be used out of the State of Kentucky. Thus, the appropriate notary for this document would indeed be a "Kentucky Notary Public State at Large."

From the website:

Doing further research into your question, it does appear that one Mrs Hesterlene Whitfield is a current notary at large in the State of Kentucky, and not associated with any county:



curiouser and curiouser. Plus I just read the 19 page notary handbook found here:

http://www.sos.ky.gov/adminservices/notaries/

and nowhere in it is the notary required to reference a commission number, or to have a serial number in their imprint device.

The assumption then must be that the affidavit is genuine, baring the appearance of the real Mrs Hesterlene Whitfield to protest.

So either Mr Adams himself is a fake (and convincingly defrauded Mrs Whitfield with a false identity), or one of items 2, 3, or 4 in my first post are true.

Enough of the pieces fall correctly into place, so I think we can assume at least, that the affidavit itself is genuine. Therefore either Mr Adams is 1) lying, 2) telling the truth but is mistaken, or 3) is telling the truth and is correct. The possibility that the affidavit itself is fraudulent would now seem ruled out.

I didn't actually care enough to do that research before you asked

now that it appears the affidavit is absolutely genuine, it will be interesting to see if anybody takes action against him for libel, or if warrants are issued from a court on account of it. My guess is neither will happen and the story will languish and die.

Thanks Gunny. I was not questioning her validity, but rather what the "State at Large" thing meant. I had not seen it before and didn't know if it gave her national coverage or not.

If this Tim guy is telling the truth, I sure hope he keeps on a bullet proof vest from here on out and doesn't drink anything that was not opened in front of him. Those pesky heart attacks everyone around this situation tend to have, ya know?

 

[jmdrake]

I am not a "birther", but this is a straw man argument. Obama is in the unique situation of where there is now probably cause that he committed fraud. This is the only reason why it would be reasonable for a court to demand that he show his birth certificate. It's just like why Bill Clinton had to testify whether he slept with Monica Lewinski. On the one hand it's nobody's business but Bill's and Hillary's who he slept with. On the other hand, his sexual exploits were deemed relevant is his sexual harassment suit. He could have avoided having to reveal his sex life either by not harassing other women, or simply settling the suits out of court.

Same thing here. Obama chose to run for president. And his unique circumstances are that there is a genuine question as to whether or not he is a natural born citizen. If both of his parents had been citizens this wouldn't be an issue. If his mother hadn't been out of the country around the time of his birth this wouldn't be an issue. If his grandmother and Kenyan newspapers hadn't reported that he was born in Kenya this wouldn't be an issue. And if he never ran for president this wouldn't be an issue.

Here's a question I'd like you to answer. Should a soldier have to follow president Obama's orders if he truly doubts whether Obama is a citizen and Obama isn't willing to show the evidence to prove the case that he is a citizen? Where should the "burden of proof" be in any case soldier who refuses to follow orders because he believes the commander in chief is not a legitimate president? The burden of proof is generally on the prosecution. Do you think it should be on the defense in such a case? If so then why?

So birthers, do you support government mandated birth certs? SSNs before the baby leaves the hospital? Out of the womb serial numbers stamped on baby? National IDs?

This is why I find you people ridiculous. On the one hand you're a neocon fascist Hitlerbama if you think anyone should ever even have ID, or citizenship. And then the same people drinking at the same liberty parties think it's the Obamapocalypse if Barry might not have a birth cert from the hospital or that the horror he might not have been born on an island imperialist/corporatist America stole from the natives.

If I'm wrong, I never want to see a birther thread again, or an ID bitchfest thread. Or the two groups should fight to the death because this is just insane, like 1=1 having sex with 1+1=3.

 

[nobody's_hero]

My issue with your reasoning is that this is not infringing on anyone's civil liberties, as a national ID card would be. This is simply expecting people who seek positions for which the U.S. Constitution specifies a few simple prerequisites to honor an defend it by expressly satisfying them. The notion that birthers are akin to Gestapo agents asking Obama for "his papers" is invalid in my opinion.

I agree, and I don't really consider myself a birther. I just think that once you run for office, you are setting yourself up for a level of scrutiny that should not be experienced by we common mundanes (and yet we do face massive invasions of privacy in our lives). If you can't deal with that, don't run.

The American people should never be in a position in which they know less about their elected officials than those elected officials know about them (which happens to be the very situation we're in).

 

[A. Havnes]

So birthers, do you support government mandated birth certs? SSNs before the baby leaves the hospital? Out of the womb serial numbers stamped on baby? National IDs?

This is why I find you people ridiculous. On the one hand you're a neocon fascist Hitlerbama if you think anyone should ever even have ID, or citizenship. And then the same people drinking at the same liberty parties think it's the Obamapocalypse if Barry might not have a birth cert from the hospital or that the horror he might not have been born on an island imperialist/corporatist America stole from the natives.

If I'm wrong, I never want to see a birther thread again, or an ID bitchfest thread. Or the two groups should fight to the death because this is just insane, like 1=1 having sex with 1+1=3.

I'm not sure I follow, but why is a birth certificate considered wrong? I'm against social security numbers, national ID, and such things, but a birth certificate simply shows that you were born. If you ever try to track your family history, a birth certificate is a great way to do so, and in my opinion is the only ID one should ever need, other than perhaps a driver's license. Since a birth certificate cannot track where you are or what you've done other than prove that you were born and where you were born, what is wrong with it?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Georgia has recently [proposed] legislation that would 'beef up' our SoS's ability to fact-check candidate qualifications before allowing them to proceed to the office of president. The sad part is, that even if you remove the language (that doesn't exist) about Obama's alleged disqualification, the bill is being criticized as 'fringe' and its supporters 'nutcases.'

It's not like the president will have control over the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world, or that we should make sure he at least meets the Constitutional requirements before being granted such power. No, can't have any of that 'fringe' nonsense.

The saddest part is, that the person who introduced the bill, Rep. Bobby Franklin (supporter of the Campaign for Liberty but more of the Chuck Baldwin breed of libertarian), is now being ridiculed for nearly everything he introduces. If you recall, he was the one who supported taxing the Federal Reserve branch of Atlanta in the same manner that every small community bank is taxed, in order to prove a point and FORCE the Federal Reserve to admit by its response that it is either a private or governmental entity.

 

[Bruno]

I'm not sure I follow, but why is a birth certificate considered wrong? I'm against social security numbers, national ID, and such things, but a birth certificate simply shows that you were born. If you ever try to track your family history, a birth certificate is a great way to do so, and in my opinion is the only ID one should ever need, other than perhaps a driver's license. Since a birth certificate cannot track where you are or what you've done other than prove that you were born and where you were born, what is wrong with it?

Strawman argument, don't bother.

Those that do not wish to not see birther threads should either insist he shows his birth certificate so it will go away, or stop clicking on said threads.

 

[jmdrake]

Then shouldn't Bush have been impeached over the patriot act? Shouldn't Obama have been impeached over the patriot act? Why haven't either of them been tried for the things they have done?

While technically congress can impeach someone for not eating their oatmeal (impeachment is a political process, not a legal one, and the Supreme Court has stated that much), it would be extremely odd for congress to pass the Patriot Act and then turn around and impeach a president for signing it. That said, I'm sure you could think of some legit impeachment arguments if you thought about it hard enough. (Times when the president not only violated the constitution, but did so without the cooperation of the congress).

Are Americans really that dumb and nationalistic that we have to try and disprove Obama's birthplace when for all we know he was born in America? Don't we have more on Obama than just birthplace? Shouldn't killing innocents be enough to impeach over?

Oh sure there are more important reasons to get rid of Obama. And perhaps even some impeachable offenses. (Killing innocents with the consent of congress is a political question). That said, facts are facts. Really, I don't know why "anti birthers" obsess over this so much. Either Obama's a legitimate president, or he isn't. If he's not, then you've just given a lot of soldiers who might otherwise follow his orders to go overseas and kill people to disobey those orders. Now you might say "They should do that anyway". Well throwing away what's been your life's pursuit to this point is easier said than done. But now you give them an out from these orders that can be defended in our current corrupt legal system.

 

[Bruno]

"when for all we know he was born in America?"

I don't know who originally posted that statement which jmdrake references above, but obviously we don't all agree with that statement, which brings us to where we are today.

 

[noxagol]

As far as the whole Obama birth argument, it really is a moot point and nothing more than angry republicans to have something to jab Obama with. If it is proven that he is not legitimate US government branded cattle, he will just be replaced with Biden, who I'm sure will be just as bad. Or someone else who is just as bad, or worse. We're never going to see this birth issue resolved and the " birthers' " time is better spent making an attack on the government that will actually matter once they win. This is nothing more than a distraction fed to you to keep you off of fighting real issues.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

Honestly, even if Obama was born in Kenya, that would be WAAAAY down there in my list of concerns about him.

 

[Bruno]

Honestly, even if Obama was born in Kenya, that would be WAAAAY down there in my list of concerns about him.

You wouldn't have to worry about the rest of your list if the media hadn't succeeded in marginalizing this issue until it was too late.

 

[RyanRSheets]

This whole issue is stupid. There is no way he could possibly know whether or not he was actually born here. He has to rely on the word of others. Barack Obama is ineligible to be President because he has voted and given unconstitutional orders every day since he entered office. Impeach him.

Why haven't the people who want to challenge his birthplace challenged the one immediately verifiable thing that makes him unqualified? His voting record.

 

[Romulus]

I'm a birther and truther. So what.. those are just stupid little ad hoc names the MSM gives to marginalize someone who is a pain in their ass for exposing official establishment lies and BS.