Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

[jmdrake]

This whole issue is stupid. There is no way he could possibly know whether or not he was actually born here. He has to rely on the word of others. Barack Obama is ineligible to be President because he has voted and given unconstitutional orders every day since he entered office. Impeach him.

Why haven't the people who want to challenge his birthplace challenged the one immediately verifiable thing that makes him unqualified? His voting record.

Your senate voting record isn't an impeachable offense. And even if it was an impeachable offense, you'd have to get 2/3rd of that same senate to vote for your impeachment. In other words you're asking the senate to impeach one of their own for doing what a majority of them did. And you're asking for a super-majority of senators to do that. And you think the birthers are being impractical? Oh, and if you're talking about since he's been president, president's don't have "voting records".

Now what's actually practical? For a significant percentage of the military to refuse to follow Obama's orders because they don't believe he is eligible to be president. If they refuse to obey the orders because they think the orders themselves are wrong, they will likely lose. But if they refuse to obey them because they don't think Obama is actually eligible to be president, they have a decent chance of winning. The chance is good enough that Obama changed one soldier's orders, mooting the case, rather than face going to court and being forced to turn over all of his birth records.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104009

 

[agar]

Why are people more worried about his certificate than him re-approving the Patriot Act or him KILLING more Afghans (remember when people die they don't come back!) or him letting the bailouts pass?

theoretically, the birth certificate fraud could be used to nullify bills that Obama has signed.

But more importantly, it might shake the trust that so many people still have in government and media. People might then become open to believing in conspiracies.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Perhaps because she is a "Notary at Large"?

Something I had never heard of before.

At Notary at Large just means that Notary can notarize documents/signatures state-wide, not only in their home county. The lack of any sort of number in the notary stamp is perfectly legitimate. We don't have any sort of number assigned to us here in TN either (yes, I am a Notary at Large in TN).

 

[teacherone]

so...where's this supposed affidavit?

all is see is a letter attesting someone said something.

 

[fisharmor]

I'm not a birther.
But let me tell you why the birther movement is important.

If it turns out that this man was not born in the US, and it turns out that the media covered for him, and several states' boards of elections ignored the fact that he wasn't eligible, then by and large, it won't matter.
No legislation will be overturned, he won't be impeached, the two-party system won't change.

However, what it will do is wake up some more people.
Not your parents, not the mouth-breathers who watch Fox News.

Let me tell you a story - a story about a kid who had recently graduated high school, who, one warm day in spring of 1993, had his television display for him a religious compound engulfed in flames.
He didn't care back then. Nutjobs got what was coming to them.

Here we are almost 18 years later, and I do care now. Despite the cover-up and bulldozing and bullshit, I came to realize the importance of what happened back then.
And all it took was one 10-second shot of the compound in flames to plant the seed of truth in my mind.

I'm not a birther, but I support what they're doing. Because truth is truth and bullshit is bullshit.
If they peel back the layers of bullshit and get to the truth - no, it's not going to make an immediate difference.
But somewhere there's an 18-year-old who is going to grow into an adult who is capable of seeing the truth, and the birthers are helping him on that journey.

 

[Bruno]

I'm not a birther.
But let me tell you why the birther movement is important.

If it turns out that this man was not born in the US, and it turns out that the media covered for him, and several states' boards of elections ignored the fact that he wasn't eligible, then by and large, it won't matter.
No legislation will be overturned, he won't be impeached, the two-party system won't change.

However, what it will do is wake up some more people.
Not your parents, not the mouth-breathers who watch Fox News.

Let me tell you a story - a story about a kid who had recently graduated high school, who, one warm day in spring of 1993, had his television display for him a religious compound engulfed in flames.
He didn't care back then. Nutjobs got what was coming to them.

Here we are almost 18 years later, and I do care now. Despite the cover-up and bulldozing and bullshit, I came to realize the importance of what happened back then.
And all it took was one 10-second shot of the compound in flames to plant the seed of truth in my mind.

I'm not a birther, but I support what they're doing. Because truth is truth and bullshit is bullshit.
If they peel back the layers of bullshit and get to the truth - no, it's not going to make an immediate difference.
But somewhere there's an 18-year-old who is going to grow into an adult who is capable of seeing the truth, and the birthers are helping him on that journey.

+ rep

Great post

 

[torchbearer]

Your senate voting record isn't an impeachable offense. And even if it was an impeachable offense, you'd have to get 2/3rd of that same senate to vote for your impeachment. In other words you're asking the senate to impeach one of their own for doing what a majority of them did. And you're asking for a super-majority of senators to do that. And you think the birthers are being impractical? Oh, and if you're talking about since he's been president, president's don't have "voting records".

Now what's actually practical? For a significant percentage of the military to refuse to follow Obama's orders because they don't believe he is eligible to be president. If they refuse to obey the orders because they think the orders themselves are wrong, they will likely loose. But if they refuse to obey them because they don't think Obama is actually eligible to be president, they have a decent chance of winning. The chance is good enough that Obama changed one soldier's orders, mooting the case, rather than face going to court and being forced to turn over all of his birth records.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104009

barry is hiding something.

 

[Bruno]

barry is hiding something.

Oh, yeah, he used to be called Barry. Barry Soetoro. Wonder what that step-father was like? Hmmm...we haven't heard much about him curiously...

 

[jmdrake]

so...where's this supposed affidavit?

all is see is a letter attesting someone said something.

What exactly do you think an affidavit is?

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?typed=affidavit&type=1

affidavit
n. 1) any written document in which the signer swears under oath

 

[GunnyFreedom]

so...where's this supposed affidavit?

all is see is a letter attesting someone said something.

Check the WND link in the OP, I believe the PDF is linked as "Page 1" and "Page 2" or something equivalent. I was originally going to protest that the notary block by itself was meaningless, but then I saw the links to the PDF on the site in the OP.

 

[Anti Federalist]

At Notary at Large just means that Notary can notarize documents/signatures state-wide, not only in their home county. The lack of any sort of number in the notary stamp is perfectly legitimate. We don't have any sort of number assigned to us here in TN either (yes, I am a Notary at Large in TN).

You could have saved brother Gunny a lot of work.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Anti Federalist]

+rep as well.

That was the turning point for me as well.

The point where I realized that government was engaged in low level war with American people.

I'm not a birther.
But let me tell you why the birther movement is important.

If it turns out that this man was not born in the US, and it turns out that the media covered for him, and several states' boards of elections ignored the fact that he wasn't eligible, then by and large, it won't matter.
No legislation will be overturned, he won't be impeached, the two-party system won't change.

However, what it will do is wake up some more people.
Not your parents, not the mouth-breathers who watch Fox News.

Let me tell you a story - a story about a kid who had recently graduated high school, who, one warm day in spring of 1993, had his television display for him a religious compound engulfed in flames.
He didn't care back then. Nutjobs got what was coming to them.

Here we are almost 18 years later, and I do care now. Despite the cover-up and bulldozing and bullshit, I came to realize the importance of what happened back then.
And all it took was one 10-second shot of the compound in flames to plant the seed of truth in my mind.

I'm not a birther, but I support what they're doing. Because truth is truth and bullshit is bullshit.
If they peel back the layers of bullshit and get to the truth - no, it's not going to make an immediate difference.
But somewhere there's an 18-year-old who is going to grow into an adult who is capable of seeing the truth, and the birthers are helping him on that journey.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I would not be surprised if he was born in Hawaii, and that the long form certificate could not be found. It happens with paperwork. I would also not be surprised to find out that he was not born in Hawaii, and that his mother/relatives made sure to get the Cert of Live Birth and the newspaper announcement to ensure that Obama would always have US citizenship in the future.

His mother is a US Citizen, and that would make him a US citizen. John McCain was not born in the US either. Not sure that anything can be done about the current situation.

It would be great if the Constitution were amended as follows:

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, both parents being citizens, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been thirty years a resident within the United States.

 

[dannno]

His mother is a US Citizen, and that would make him a US citizen.

Yes, just not a natural born citizen (due to his father being British and possibly being born outside of the US)

John McCain was not born in the US either. Not sure that anything can be done about the current situation.
.

But both of his parents were citizens AND he was born on a US military base.

 

[Bruno]

I would not be surprised if he was born in Hawaii, and that the long form certificate could not be found. It happens with paperwork.

The only problem with that statement is that the Director of Health Services provided a strong statement on two occasions that he had personally seen and verified the long form birth certificate, and stated emphatically that Obama was born in a American and a "natural born citizen". And now the Governor of Hawaii has said he can't find it.

One, or both, of them are lying.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The only problem with that statement is that the Director of Health Services provided a strong statement on two occasions that he had personally seen and verified the long form birth certificate, and stated emphatically that Obama was born in a American and a "natural born citizen". And now the Governor of Hawaii has said he can't find it.

One, or both, of them are lying.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."

If that is the case, somebody should be in trouble...

 

[Bruno]

If that is the case, somebody should be in trouble...

Exactly. And this was directly from snopes, "the source for all truth!" that people turn to.

It was what the anti-birthers clung to: "See, someone said they saw it! Why would they lie? Move along now, geez!"

 

[qh4dotcom]

I'm not a birther.
But let me tell you why the birther movement is important.

If it turns out that this man was not born in the US, and it turns out that the media covered for him, and several states' boards of elections ignored the fact that he wasn't eligible, then by and large, it won't matter.
No legislation will be overturned, he won't be impeached, the two-party system won't change.

However, what it will do is wake up some more people.
Not your parents, not the mouth-breathers who watch Fox News.

Let me tell you a story - a story about a kid who had recently graduated high school, who, one warm day in spring of 1993, had his television display for him a religious compound engulfed in flames.
He didn't care back then. Nutjobs got what was coming to them.

Here we are almost 18 years later, and I do care now. Despite the cover-up and bulldozing and bullshit, I came to realize the importance of what happened back then.
And all it took was one 10-second shot of the compound in flames to plant the seed of truth in my mind.

I'm not a birther, but I support what they're doing. Because truth is truth and bullshit is bullshit.
If they peel back the layers of bullshit and get to the truth - no, it's not going to make an immediate difference.
But somewhere there's an 18-year-old who is going to grow into an adult who is capable of seeing the truth, and the birthers are helping him on that journey.

Tell us why you are not a birther...you sure sound like one

 

[dannno]

Tell us why you are not a birther...you sure sound like one

Because different people have different definitions of birther, and truther for that matter.

Hardcore truthers and birthers will tend to call anyone who questions the official story a truther or birther, because even though they are more sure of it they want to include anybody brave enough to question the issue.

Hardcore anti-truthers and anti-birthers will tend to call anyone who questions the official story a truther or birther, because even though they aren't absolutely sure that the official story is bunk, the fact that they even question it puts them in the same camp for these rabid neo-con types.

Those in the middle who are actually up in the air often don't like to be labelled, they just want to keep an open mind on the topic.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Those in the middle who are actually up in the air often don't like to be labelled, they just want to keep an open mind on the topic.

Works for me. You could look back at my first posts when I joined the forums and you'd find some that were harsh towards 9/11 truthers. But I gave up trying to harass them so much, because I came to realize that 9/11 'truthers', much like 'birthers,' are relatively harmless folks guilty of nothing more than a profound level of mistrust of our elected officials—which I'll gladly tolerate much more so than people who unquestioningly believe everything they're told by said officials.