Group of females corralled then pepper sprayed by cops, WTF? (NYC Protests)

[wannaberocker]

Can't let the hippies conglomerate!

My God, the problem is even worse.

Someone give Cartman the Authorataaa to eliminate the hippies lol.

 

[affa]

Your argument is a straw man, because you keep referring to these folks as "peaceful".

Please look up strawman before you use it. I am not creating a strawman, i am holding you to your words - that a woman 'asked for it', plus a half dozen or so general insults towards protesters.

I do not need to build a strawman, nor did i. and their being peaceful or not has absolutely no bearing on what i am calling you out on.

If you do not want to be held to your words, then don't speak.
If you do not want to be judged on your words, then don't speak.

And I highly recommend researching fallacy before you accuse others of it.

It is quite clear to anyone paying attention that you judged these people from the getgo. And then condemned them on your prejudice publicly. I hold you to that.

Y The folks that got sprayed were being corralled onto the sidewalk, which leads me to believe that prior to the beginning of the video they were in the street blocking other people from going about their business (as others still are doing in the video). It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were violent, as that seemed to be common at this protest.

Your entire argument is consistently based on conjecture. You've been repeatedly told this by numerous people, but rather than admit your mistake, you repeat it endlessly. Perhaps you should look up conjecture while you're reading about strawmen. I am sorry if that comes off as insulting, but seriously, it's hard enough to be civil to you after your earlier posts.

Now if you find a video that shows what was happening before, and it reveals that all the corralled folks were just sitting around singing Kumbaya, I will be the first to condemn the cop and defend those people. Since we don't see what happened prior, I can only try to guess what happened, but based on everything I see in the video, my best guess is that those people were not innocent and peaceful.

See, here's the problem. Let me try to explain it:

We don't know what happened before, we only know what we see on the tape.

I don't claim to know what happened before. I have no idea. I do know at the time they were pepper sprayed it was out of line.

You, however, have made up an entire fiction, repeatedly, which condemns the victims -- you even went so far as to say the one girl must have asked for it so she could intentionally ham it up for the cameras.

You sir, are the one out of line. I make no assumptions about their prior guilt or innocence. You do. See, my case doesn't rely on prior evidence, since it's clear at the time of the pepper spraying they were already contained, were non-violent, and the officer with the pepper spray is clearly out of line. Even if prior violence existed, which is doubtful, it was not happening during the video.

I don't need to 'guess' what happened beforehand, and the fact that you not only 'guess' but then judge them on it, is absurd.

 

[affa]

Of course they have that right. But they dont have the right to prevent others from using the same public sidewalk in order to get to their destination. THey also dont have the right to block traffic or to prevent other citizens from using the roads.

What part of that dont you folks understand? You all act like the protests have rights, but if your not a protester you have no rights.

Remember you have the right to free speech. But your not allowed to yell "Fire" in a theater because that incur's a cost on other citizens.

You can not have thousands gather without blocking streets and sidewalks. To expect otherwise would effectively remove our freedom to assemble. It's just part of the deal.

 

[Mini-Me]

Again your arguments are all founded on a bad premise: That police are justified in assaulting passive people because of something they did in the past. They are not. Police should use only the force necessary, and only as long as that amount of force is necessary. If the officer was trying to effect an arrest, he would have waited around to collect them after macing them. He did not. He just holstered his cannister and wandered off. A few minutes later, the remaining police packed up the net and left.

This is civil law enforcement, not a fucking war. Police are not justified to engage in ultra-violence the moment they see someone breaking the law, and for as long as they want after that.

This exactly. Anyone trying to justify the cop's action should ask themselves, "How many years in prison would I be facing if I acted the way the cops did in this situation?" Their higher caste status is deeply disturbing, but the way people have been brainwashed to support it is far more chilling.

You can not have thousands gather without blocking streets and sidewalks. To expect otherwise would effectively remove our freedom to assemble. It's just part of the deal.

This too.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Well, when the cops themselves run from whatever is being sprayed and everybody else hauls ass or hits the deck, it's pretty safe to assume a chemical agent was sprayed.

We can't tell by whom.

 

[Anti Federalist]

We can't tell by whom.

I'll admit to not following this thread as closely as I should, since others are making the case in an excellent way. (I can't believe some of you people are defending the cop's actions in this)

But hasn't it been confirmed that it was, in fact, a NYPD Lieutenant?

Even if it's not been made completely clear, do you think just any ordinary Mundane could have done that, to the point of over-spray on the cops, and just wandered off?

In NYC? Where it's illegal to carry a rubber knife? And none of those cops made an arrest?

No, clearly, whoever did it was a cop of some sort.

 

[kylejack]

We can't tell by whom.

Sure we can, here's the slow motion.

 

[Aldanga]

And everybody just stands around and watches.

If they had opened fire on these people, everybody would have done the same thing.

Just another day in Amerika.

Looks like a public sidewalk, isn't there something about "peaceably assembling" and "redress of grievances" written down somewhere?

If a cop did something like that to a lady I was with, I can't help but think I would do my hardest to beat his face in, and probably get shot in the process. I don't give a shit what title he holds. If you act violently toward another without provocation, I'm gonna get pissed.

Still, peaceful response can work wonders. It is the best path, but it's not easy.

 

[devil21]

We can't tell by whom.

Sources in the media are claiming it's an NYPD cop named Tony Bologna. Yep, that's supposedly his name. There's a link to gawker about it a page or two back.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Sure we can, here's the slow motion.

Thank you. Yes, I see it now. At full speed, I could not see for sure.

 

[AFPVet]

I'll admit to not following this thread as closely as I should, since others are making the case in an excellent way. (I can't believe some of you people are defending the cop's actions in this)

But hasn't it been confirmed that it was, in fact, a NYPD Lieutenant?

Even if it's not been made completely clear, do you think just any ordinary Mundane could have done that, to the point of over-spray on the cops, and just wandered off?

In NYC? Where it's illegal to carry a rubber knife? And none of those cops made an arrest?

No, clearly, whoever did it was a cop of some sort.

... and the rest of those cops were just standing around watching that thug commit battery by chemical irritant on a passive resistant female. None of them had the balls to even question the action. That is seriously screwed up. I just hope that the victim made a complaint and thought about seeking legal action.

 

[pooflinger1488]

Tony Bologna

The cop who pepper sprayed them is named Tony Bologna. You can call 2123340611 and voice your opinion regarding his suspension/termination from the NYPD. This is according to a live feed from the Occupy Wall Street website.

 

[dannno]

I heard he meant to reach for his gun, but accidentally grabbed his pepper spray instead.

 

[jtstellar]

and you're protesting wall street instead of washington why..? because there are no honest business or firms on wall street so you need to also obstruct businesses of smaller operations, like the stores you're standing right next to whose customer flow you're obstructing? or is it because obama is in the white house and women's support ratio is like what, 3 to 1?

 

[pcosmar]

and you're protesting wall street instead of washington why..? because there are no honest business or firms on wall street so you need to also obstruct businesses of smaller operations, like the stores you're standing right next to whose customer flow you're obstructing? or is it because obama is in the white house and women's support ratio is like what, 3 to 1?

I heard that restaurants in the area were doing good business.
These folks are not violent (the police are) They are not preventing anyone from doing business.

I have had mixed feelings about this from the beginning,,still do.
Wall Street was targeted as the Center of Corruption in this country.
Much of the Corruption in D.C has it's roots on Wall Street. Most of the anti-capitalist sentiment is from confusing Corporatism with Capitalism.
These people (most of them) have never seen a free market. They see bailouts and market manipulation. They see politicians going to the highest bidder. They see endless wars for profits and a declining dollar at home.

They may not understand the solutions, but they do see the problems.

 

[kylejack]

Same cop did it a second time that day:

 

[affa]

hope he loses his badge over this. doubt it will ever happen.

 

[AFPVet]

He's a serial sprayer....

 

[kylejack]

One woman got sprayed in both incidents. The district attorney, the Civilian Complaint Review Board, and internal affairs have all opened investigations following discovery of the second incident.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/sep/28/occupy-wall-street-anthony-bologna?newsfeed=true

 

[devil21]

Stick his ass in Gen Pop at Rikers and see how bad he is without his little can of spray.