Glenn Beck on Ron Paul

[Minarchy4Sale]

Yes, the organizations. Of course. No one is arguing that.

But stopping the wars, bringing the troops back, and repenting of past military misadventures which have bankrupt this nation can be done in weeks.

In fairness,the bailouts cause the wars to pale in comparison... I honestly thought nothing could be a bigger waste of money than Iraq... I was wrong.

 

[pcosmar]

He admitted he is spoonfeeding these ideas slowly, Ron Paul is more rash, and his style jives more with us. People not accustomed to hearing about ideas of liberty are becks target, and eventually they might arrive where we are.

I am more convinced all the time that Dr Paul's real purpose was to be a cold bucket of water to wake people up.
I think he knew what is coming and knows that it could not be stopped, but wanted as many awake as possible. The Revolution was to awaken the resistance.

 

[TER]

In fairness,the bailouts cause the wars to pale in comparison... I honestly thought nothing could be a bigger waste of money than Iraq... I was wrong.

Stopping the wars would be the first place to stop the bleeding while reforming the monetary system and the FED.

 

[Original_Intent]

In fairness,the bailouts cause the wars to pale in comparison... I honestly thought nothing could be a bigger waste of money than Iraq... I was wrong.

Depends on the value you put on a human life. The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and the thousands of U.S. lives lost over the misbegotten war outweigh the trillions we will end up losing to the financial mess.

The bailouts are huge, I just think the massive loss of life from the unjust wars is more of a stain upon our country.

 

[DAFTEK]

I disagree. I think Beck gets Ron Paul and agrees with him. All I heard in this video was Beck explaining why the AVERAGE (stupid, uninformed) person THINKS that Ron Paul sounds crazy. What I hear is that he agrees on objective, he disagrees on strategy (kind of like the difference between people on this forum, some think the thermite report should be in Hot Topics, some people thing it should be in General Politics.)

I don't think GB is 100% awake yet, but i do think he is getting there. Anyone that would discard Beck over this segment either wasn't listening or only heard what they wanted to hear.

The worst offense I heard was him being dismissive of the Trilateral Commission, he obviously still thanks TLC is still "conspiracy talk" or at least he thinks that will play well with his audience. GB is definitely a mixed bag, but I still think he is the best we got and I think he is coming around more and more .

Good post and i hope people read this carefully! One comment thou, about TLC, i think GB was sarcastic at the end trying to prove just that things like TLC is so far over the edge that regular people view as conspiracy! I totally agree here.

 

[Cowlesy]

Glenn Beck is right, ya know.

Yep, and my hipshot reaction is to get mad, but he's right in that you need to spoonfeed people this stuff.

Frankly I think he does this a lot on his show. I keep seeing libertarian ideas in all his segments, but he's not coming out and saying anything radical. Slow conditioning. He has great libertarian guests on like Penn Gillette, Mark Skousen and Judge Napolitano.

Beck was WRONG in stating that Ron Paul wanted to just ELIMINATE all these departments. Beck was RIGHT that it took 150 years of bologna to get to this point, and it will take TIME to reduce or eliminate many of these things. He even supported our bringing our troops home from overseas.

Beck and I would DISAGREE about the timeframe (I want it much sooner..and he wants it gradually), but we would AGREE that they need to come home.

Yes, he is unhinged and sometimes downright immature and mean-spirited, but he's got a big audience and he's putting a ton of great ideas out there. That, and he gaves Ron Paul a lot of airtime...he and Cavuto.

 

[arbnranger]

I disagree. I think Beck gets Ron Paul and agrees with him. All I heard in this video was Beck explaining why the AVERAGE (stupid, uninformed) person THINKS that Ron Paul sounds crazy. What I hear is that he agrees on objective, he disagrees on strategy (kind of like the difference between people on this forum, some think the thermite report shouls be in Hot Topics, some people thing it should be in General Politics.)

I don't think GB is 100% awake yet, but i do think he is getting there. Anyone that would discard Beck over this segment either wasn't lilstening or only heard what they wanted to hear.

The worst offense I heard was him being dismissive of the Trilateral Commision, he obviously still thanks TLC is still "conspiracy talk" or at least he thinks that will play well with his audience. GB is definitely a mixed bag, but I still think he is the best we got and I think he is coming around more and more.

I agree 100% with your post.

 

[Meatwasp]

Beck is right. Everything has to be changed on a gradual scale. Take heed how the communists are slowly taking over our country

 

[angelatc]

Beck was WRONG in stating that Ron Paul wanted to just ELIMINATE all these departments. Beck was RIGHT that it took 150 years of bologna to get to this point, and it will take TIME to reduce or eliminate many of these things.

That's partly the fault of the media and partly the fault of Ron Paul. Being forced to speak in sound bytes makes it impossible to explain a entire philosophy.

The media parrots Paul's "abolish big government" statements, and not his "stop paying for the defense of other nations and take care of our own people!" messages.

(Meatwasp! good to see you!)

 

[Rangeley]

Hahaha. All the people who fell for Beck's act just got owned.

The only people who got owned were the poor strawmen who believed Beck agreed completely with Ron Paul in every aspect.

This interview actually showed he's closer to us than I expected - he even agrees with the ends of having a non-interventionist foreign policy, but not on initiating it instantly. His criticism of Ron Paul wanting things instantly was mostly wrong (he has said many times he would phase programs out,) but on foreign policy it is a valid criticism insofar as it would be an instant transformation with Ron Paul, and not gradual.

I think its a good thing to have Beck talking about the gold standard, the fed, monetary policy, the dangers of debt, international currency... even as he disagrees in other areas, its a net plus. It makes our job easier for the very reason he pointed out - we are so far from the Constitution at this point, when people talk about going back to it, it can be too big to swallow for the average person. By having someone agree with us on some key areas - someone with a huge audience - it helps make the idea of following the Constitution become less "radical" and much easier for people to swallow.

 

[ladyjade3]

He was misrepresenting Ron Paul's positions so he could knock them down as a straw man. He should know better.

Can I get a face palm?

 

[qh4dotcom]

Beck and I would DISAGREE about the timeframe (I want it much sooner..and he wants it gradually), but we would AGREE that they need to come home.

The troops need to come home sooner than Beck's 25 years....the country will be bankrupt long before then...the troops will be forced to come home before then.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Why does it have to be 25-30 years, Glenn? The sooner the better, we're wasting resources that have no return on investment. Looks like Glenn, should read one of Rothbard's political philosophy books.

 

[Theocrat]

On Another Note

I think the gist of what Glenn Beck was saying is that not everything in our country is done by conspiracy. There are many ideas which go against the first principles of our republic that are expressed openly to the public. That's why Beck talked about transnational legal theorists like Harold Koh who are in the process of holding federal positions within the executive branch, even though his principles undermine our national sovereignty.

 

[Rangeley]

I think the gist of what Glenn Beck was saying is that not everything in our country is done by conspiracy. There are many ideas which go against the first principles of our republic that are expressed openly to the public. That's why Beck talked about transnational legal theorists like Harold Koh who are in the process of holding federal positions within the executive branch, even though his principles undermine our national sovereignty.

Yea, that was one of his points at least. And hes right about it.

 

[IPSecure]

Beck is a POS, and I do not mean point of sale...

 

[sluggo]

Beck ain't no libertarian.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree with Glenn Beck. The media made Ron Paul to be a kook..and if you think of all the people who have been brainwashed by said media for years...of course Ron Paul would appear to be a kook. Now, some of us were able to latch onto Dr. Paul's message immediately...and many others will have to be spoonfed. Perhaps Dr. Paul is the fast track to Liberty and Glenn Beck is the slow track to Liberty...either way we will , hopefully, meet at the end. Some will get there quicker than others. I believe Beck is even coming around on entangling alliences and spreading the military all over...he did say he was a Libertarian in conversion. Perhaps some of what Ron Paul said on his shows led him to the truth..and that's a good thing. If Glenn Beck turns out to be a poser, and many people have taken the message...THE MESSAGE, and researched it, and come to Liberty....that's ok too. It's the MESSAGE..remember? Ron Paul has always said that...and right now, Beck is getting that message to the dittoheads. TONES

 

[silverhawks]

The IRS DOES need to be done on Thursday!

It is not going to take 100 years to get rid of all of these institutions. True, it won't be done overnight - but then, I don't believe Ron Paul has ever said it would be done quickly. But 100 years? That's not taking them away AT ALL.

He was trying to talk over the caller, and keep her off the air, because it was pulling the message back to Ron Paul.

Beck wants to keep troops in Iraq - he called pulling troops out insanity, advocating keeping them there for 25-30 years.

And then they mocked the woman for talking about the Trilateral Commission? Why is that Glenn, is that because all that "conspiracy theory stuff" is crazy? You, who have been crying your eyes out over the NWO and FEMA camps?

Ladies and gents - all Beck is is a neo-con shill.

Come on, he was attempting to redefine what libertarian means...which is exactly what this 9/12 bullshit is. This is the neo-con movement REBRANDING by trying to take over the message of the Liberty Movement. Watch out for a third party split away from the Republicans with a lot of old neo-con leaders that have "come to the error of their ways"....think that once they get re-elected, they'll keep ANY promises?

Or just pick another corner of the world to bomb into submission?

 

[silverhawks]

I agree with Glenn Beck. The media made Ron Paul to be a kook..and if you think of all the people who have been brainwashed by said media for years...of course Ron Paul would appear to be a kook. Now, some of us were able to latch onto Dr. Paul's message immediately...and many others will have to be spoonfed. Perhaps Dr. Paul is the fast track to Liberty and Glenn Beck is the slow track to Liberty...either way we will , hopefully, meet at the end. Some will get there quicker than others. I believe Beck is even coming around on entangling alliences and spreading the military all over...he did say he was a Libertarian in conversion. Perhaps some of what Ron Paul said on his shows led him to the truth..and that's a good thing. If Glenn Beck turns out to be a poser, and many people have taken the message...THE MESSAGE, and researched it, and come to Liberty....that's ok too. It's the MESSAGE..remember? Ron Paul has always said that...and right now, Beck is getting that message to the dittoheads. TONES

Tones, I would have agreed with you before I saw this vid, but now it seems Beck is getting the message out that "real" libertarianism (something he is defining by the way) is wanting the IRS for the next 100 years, and US troops in the Middle East for 30 years. Libertarian in conversion? More like converting libertarians.

Come on, the crocodile tears alone should tell us that he isn't genuine. The man can't even fake that he's sad for the state of this country right now.