Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

[mad cow]

Don't squint so much Cajun and you might have a shot.

 

[garyallen59]

I will say that I didn't start listening to Beck until about October of last year after I got a driving job, but I've been here when he called us terrorists and it pissed me off, and when he basically ruined Medina in Texas and I was furious, and plenty of the other stuff he has done. I don't agree with him in a lot of instances, but I really do feel like he is fed up with the establishment Republicans and will stick behind Rand. I could be wrong and you all can laugh at me if that time comes (some will say "when that time comes"), but I remain optimistic at this point and feel that it is better that Beck speaks well of libertarian ideas and Rand Paul than him doing the opposite.

JMHO

 

[cajuncocoa]

Don't squint so much Cajun and you might have a shot.

It's gonna take a little more than that!! LOL

 

[Article V]

If Beck is a libertarian, then I am Miss America.

Well, hello there, Miss America; and thanks for the pic!

Definition of LIBERTARIAN

1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will
2a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action
2b capitalized : a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles​

Glenn fits both definitions 1 and 2a. I don't believe Glenn is a member of any political party, but even Ron Paul himself does not fit definition 2b

 

[DylanWaco]

Glenn Beck likes money.

 

[matt0611]

Westboro Baptist Church. The people who protest soldier funerals with "God Hates Fags" signs in pretty rainbow and tie-dye colors.

Hmm ok, I know who they are are but why would Beck associate Ron with them? Beck is against gay marriage as well if I recall.

 

[garyallen59]

Hmm ok, I know who they are are but why would Beck associate Ron with them? Beck is against gay marriage as well if I recall.

Because of Ron's tweet about Chris Kyle.

Beck was being a moron.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Why would liberty candidate #43 be treated any differently than the 42 liberty candidates Beck has destroyed in the past?

Because Rand prefaces every speech that he believes in a strong national defense. That sentence alone puts very many voters at ease. There was a lot of general support for Ron and sympathy for the brand of conservatism he preached, but voters came away thinking he was a pacifist that wouldn't defend the country.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I don't think it's even that. I view Beck as almost bi-polar, politically speaking, in a constant struggle to balance his faith dominated side against his libertarian side. As a result, some strange opinions emanate from his mouth.

I see things much like you. Beck doesn't strike me as some evil conspiratorial genius. Let's not forget he was just a drunk radio DJ for most of his adult life. I think he's trying to figure things out and stumbling along the way, like the vast majority of Americans do. This country has been indoctrinated with propaganda since grade-school, throughout college, and then by the media in their adult life. Our population are a ahistorical, confused and fearful lot. I try not to hold their sometimes schizophrenic political thoughts against them. They are largely products of their environment. It takes years to undo the programming for people to snap out of this mentality. Even so, a lot of people will never come to that revelation.

 

[Brett85]

Hmm ok, I know who they are are but why would Beck associate Ron with them? Beck is against gay marriage as well if I recall.

No, Beck supports gay marriage.

 

[torchbearer]

Glenn Beck seems to only attack people when they support 9/11 Truth, support Abortion, Attack/Criticize the Troops, and Support a Weak Foreign Policy/National Defense (his perspective).


Rand Paul doesn't have any views that Glenn Beck would disagree with.

............(wait for it)..........................yet.

 

[twomp]

Please defend this claim when Beck just had a black-tie Tea Party special on his tv show two weeks ago.

Watch the video linked in the OP. See what he says about the Tea Party there?

 

[sam1952]

Because Rand prefaces every speech that he believes in a strong national defense. That sentence alone puts very many voters at ease. There was a lot of general support for Ron and sympathy for the brand of conservatism he preached, but voters came away thinking he was a pacifist that wouldn't defend the country.

I probably spent more time trying to explain why Ron Paul wasn't a pacifist to more people than any other of his positions. The number of times I've heard people say they like what they hear about him but he won't defend us just pisses me off. And who do I blame, the msm, the talking heads, even Ron himself? Maybe Rand will finally get the message out on a strong national defense...

 

[Carlybee]

Well looks like I came late to this thread that apparently got Confederate banned. I will say this. I went to a liberal law school (are there any that aren't), and once we went over the hair trigger that is rape law in some states, even the most liberal feminists in the class felt at least a little squeamish about applying the same standard for rape inside marriage to rape in general. I'm not talking about the obvious "Man with knife ties woman up and has his way with her" rape. No. We read a case where a man was convicted of rape when the admitted facts were the woman invited him into her bed, let him get on top, and then said no once he had started penetration. He was convicted of rape for not pulling out fast enough! While these feminist women were bothered by this, a little, they still felt "no" should apply in that situation. But in the case of a married couple? Well...they weren't so sure. It seemed like it would be too easy for an angry wife to set her husband up for a rape charge. Anyhow, if someone's marriage is so toxic that the marriage bed becomes a potential crime scene it's time for a divorce.

Yes it would be easy for a dishonest person to set someone up. But there are also instances where a woman has married a psychopath or sociopath. Rape is an act of violence even though it results in sex. If a man, husband or not, forces a woman to have sex against her will it is rape. Pretty plain and simple to me. Of course that woman would need to follow all protocol...going to a doctor, rape kit, etc. and even then she would probably have a hard time proving it and one would hope that if that happened she would sever all ties with him immediately. For someone to say that there is no such thing as marital rape is just asinine however. I haven't looked up statistics but I know if there are men out there who beat their wives black and blue, there are probably men who rape them as well. Getting married does not mean giving up the basic human right to protect oneself from violation if one is unfortunate enough to find themselves with that type of person.

 

[PatriotOne]

I will say that I didn't start listening to Beck until about October of last year after I got a driving job, but I've been here when he called us terrorists and it pissed me off, and when he basically ruined Medina in Texas and I was furious, and plenty of the other stuff he has done. I don't agree with him in a lot of instances, but I really do feel like he is fed up with the establishment Republicans and will stick behind Rand. I could be wrong and you all can laugh at me if that time comes (some will say "when that time comes"), but I remain optimistic at this point and feel that it is better that Beck speaks well of libertarian ideas and Rand Paul than him doing the opposite.

JMHO

And that's fine. At least most people on this forum will recognize if/when Beck starts turning on Rand and see it for what it is and abandon Beck instead of Rand. It's the other people who just dabble in politics that worry me if/when Beck starts leading them away to someone like Rubio.

 

[purplechoe]

Fuck you Frank... and Glenn Beck too...

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Glenn Beck is plain and simple outside the circle of trust.

His repeated past actions have put him there.

To be in the circle of trust, someone can say things that I may not disagree with, but in the end, their actions and support line up with taking the strong stand for small gov't.

Rand, Ron, Justin, Thomas, easily fall within the circle of trust.

Talking heads for the most part fall outside the circle of trust, including Glenn Beck. Maybe they'll come our way, maybe not, but I've yet to see any of them really put it on the line for this movement towards smaller government and more liberty. Without fail, when the rubber met the road, they faltered when it mattered most, even when they're all the while talking my language.

Give me a talker guy or gal that will, through thick and thin, support the small government team. I'll gladly welcome them into the circle.

Thread Winner.

 

[georgiaboy]

So basically you put Beck outside the circle of trust as a libertarian because he chose to endorse a candidate other than Ron Paul. Personally, knowing Beck's policy beliefs, I never thought he'd endorse Ron Paul; but I have to admit that Beck is still a libertarian. And I like to think that Beck's years of daily support for libertarian policy is more beneficial than any fleeting candidate endorsement which most people aren't influenced by anyway. Voters vote based off policy and personality; if Beck teaches voters libertarian policy and voters identify with a candidate's personality, then Beck's endorsement or non-endorsement is irrelevant and his libertarian teaching is a net positive for our movement.

The guy's not evil; he's just not as libertarian as all of us.

Wait, so you're saying that if Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Prager, Medved, Ingraham, Coulter, Erickson, Boortz, etc, had all come out enthusiastically supporting Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, voters would've still chosen McCain and Romney?

HA!

 

[kcchiefs6465]

That's funny. I'm done with Glenn Beck as well.

Must say, I don't see how you could avoid yourself. With that kind of irony I'm a little surprised a 'Bleck hole' wasn't created swallowing his entire program.

 

[Article V]

Watch the video linked in the OP. See what he says about the Tea Party there?

I think maybe you need to go back and watch the video in the OP. Perhaps jot down a transcript for yourself. Glenn Beck doesn't try to distance himself from the Tea Party or Tea Party values in the OP; he clearly states that he's anti-Republican establishment, but that he thinks the Tea Party has largely made themselves irrelevant. That's not distancing himself, that's simple honest evaluation.

I agree with Beck: the Tea Party has largely made itself irrelevant by allowing itself to be co-opted by the establishment or represented by completely hopeless candidates like O'Donnell or Herman Cain. Can you honestly pretend that Christine O'Donnell's Senate nomination isn't an example of the Tea Party actively making itself irrelevant? In politics, if you want to protect your reputation, no candidate is better than a bad candidate; just like in business, no product is better than a bad product.

A new brand has little room for error if it seeks to establish a desired image in the eyes of the populace.