Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

If I were to make this a meme about Glenn Beck (the person)....which I'm not going to (because far too many others are)... but if I were to do that I'd say welcome his opion on the way the world works. Also...If I were a christian...which I'm not...but if I were, I'd say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Of course, who cares what I think...
 
I just don't see that at all.

He couldn't come up with any remotely sensible reasons not to support Ron Paul in 2012, and so he fell back on some ridiculous claim about him having been in a committee with other congressmen, some of whom had some connection to George Soros. That's not straight shooting. That's fishing for anything at all he can say to avoid whatever his real reasons are. Same thing with how he bent over backwards trying to paint Newt as so much worse than Romney, and how supportive he was of Santorum. None of these things fit with the positions he had been claiming to have been drawn toward over the previous years. They were just ways for him to help Romney while still maintaining the pretense of not supporting him.
Um... none of what you just said is true.

Beck loves Ron Paul on most everything EXCEPT the Middle East, and Beck (not me) considers Ron Paul's Middle East understanding to be so misguided as to be in effect suicidal for America. Beck (not me) always said that it was Ron Paul's willingness to allow self-described jihadists to arm themselves even with nukes if they want (in the case of Iran) which made Beck (not me) think Ron Paul was being so naive that it was opening America and its allies up for attack.

Beck sees jihadists who call for our destruction and then take willful action to acquire weaponry to carry out that destruction analogous to madmen at the door loading pistols. Beck believes that the non-aggression principle and an official, constitutional declaration of war allows him as a libertarian to fire at madmen at the door who load pistols since they, in his view, pose an imminent threat. Beck does not believe jihadists who call for our destruction are merely seeking nukes to defend themselves against outsiders (he instead says he takes the jihadists at their word: "their complete words"), which is why he said he could never support Ron Paul since Ron Paul said it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for them to have nuclear weapons and "it's only natural for them to want nuclear weapons."

In fact, here's the very moment Beck (not me) officially ruled out voting for Ron Paul ever: http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=19155493 (watch the entire video, but be aware it's easy to misunderstand Beck since there's a more conservative dude next to him and since they're also referencing other things they've talked about elsewhere in that show, i.e. "Marxists"). Later on (not shown in that video clip), Beck (not me) goes on to explain that Ron Paul's misunderstanding of Bin Laden is partially understandable due to the fact that Ron Paul is looking at Osama from a Western view and also looking only at the statements of Osama Bin Laden written for his Western audience; Beck (not me) then explains that the statements of Bin Laden written for Muslims (different from his Western statements) include quite a bit more information which make it clear that Bin Laden would have attacked on 9/11 and elsewhere regardless of American occupation or intervention.

For Beck, who agrees with Ron Paul on most everything else, the Middle East issue is such a big deal that Beck said time and again he could never vote for Ron Paul because of that alone. Nothing about George Soros, no fishing expedition, just an honest disagreement about the motivations of OBL and what a prudent American response should be to those foreign threats like OBL who actively seek to kill Americans.

I obviously voted Ron Paul; but Beck was a straight-shooter on why he couldn't in good faith support Ron Paul despite their agreement on most every issue. We Ron Paul supporters didn't like it, but Beck was being honest; and it's certainly not remote or insensible reasoning by Beck.

*Note: The video in the link above is important, so I urge people to watch it if they are confused why Beck didn't endorse Ron Paul.
 
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Um... none of what you just said is true.

Everything I said was true.

Everything you said about Beck agreeing with Paul about everything else should say he pretends to agree with him. When the moment comes for him to back that up, he'll look for any out he can find no matter how much of a stretch it is.

You can't let him tell you, "This is when I ruled out voting for Ron Paul." He had ruled it out from the get go. The rest was just looking for a way to work it into his show like some kind of epiphany.
 
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Everything I said was true.
I just provided direct evidence refuting your false allegations. Unless you can prove that the video is a Beck-impersonator, then you're wrong.

Also, I find it highly offensive that your response (7 minutes) is so quick as to prove that you didn't even look at the full evidence I provided (the 10 minute video plus the lengthy written post). Since you're clearly unwilling to engage in honest debate where we each hear the other side before responding, I will not engage you further. You've lost all credibility in the search for truth.
 
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I just provided direct evidence refuting your false allegations.

No you didn't.

Everything I said was true.

Also, I find it highly offensive that your response (7 minutes) is so quick as to prove that you didn't even look at the full evidence I provided (the 10 minute video plus the lengthy written post).

No need to waste my time. Everything I said was true. There's no possible way anything you said was evidence that I didn't hear what I heard.
 
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No need to waste my time. Everything I said was true. There's no possible way anything you said was evidence that I didn't hear what I heard.
But what you said was you didn't hear Beck provide any reason for not supporting Ron Paul 2012. So the very purpose of my post was to provide you with the information you acknowledged you were missing.

Now you're saying my evidence was meant to disprove something you did hear when your entire argument was founded on what you didn't hear?

Hahahaha.
Are you a moron Frank?
I think you've made it abundantly clear who the moron is. Thank you.
 
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I would love if we got a Glenn Beck subforum. Just so it would be easy enough to know where not to go.

Daily updates on Glenn Beck's positions are really not necessary. Idgaf what kind of epiphany he might have had.
 
Now you're saying my evidence was meant to disprove something you did hear when your entire argument was founded on what you didn't hear?

I never said anything about anything I didn't hear, only what I did hear.
 
YOU didn't selectively edit. The author of that article you linked selectively edited and then the editor himself put up a controversial headline to go with it. But if you take away the opinion in the article and look past the author's selective editing, you'll see that the actual facts support what I was saying, which is why I said so. I was at no point accusing you of selectively editing, and I also understand why you might be mislead by that article you linked. But linking to an opinion piece masquerading as fact doesn't make it fact even if it contains some facts in it (in the same way historical fiction isn't fact). I get why you suspect Beck, and I think a very healthy suspicion of him is a good thing; but I don't like it when those suspicions turn into accusations. Beck, though I often find him completely intolerable, obnoxious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, unhinged, self-important, grossly irresponsible, downright wrong, and overly-sentimental, appears to be a sincere straight-shooter. I defend him on that.

Thanks for clearing the editing issue up. That said, I think you must be reading some other article because I'm not seeing anything to substantiate your position. When Beck,himself, claims to be becoming more libertarian it seems clear he doesn't think he has always been one. An independent is not the same as being a libertarian. He has some very statist views and some positions that agree with libertarians. He has done this dance in the past and screwed up when it mattered most by getting behind those who are horrible on the issues. He is inconsistent and acts the part of a raging idiot. The fact that he thinks you can call people nasty, disparaging names and expect them to not be defensive is imo very deliberate.
 
The fact that he thinks you can call people nasty, disparaging names and expect them to not be defensive is imo very deliberate.

What could be more ridiculous than expecting people who see the problem to have the patience of Job with the people who are fiddling while Rome burns? Yet this is the media's ploy across the board. Libertarians as fascists? Seriously?
 
Beck talks a good talk between election cycles, but if there is a knife stuck in the back of good libertarian candidates come election time, I'll give good odds that Beck's fingerprints are near the scene of the crime.

In my opinion he is welcome in the small 'l' libertarian fold, but I sure would never let him define it. I suspect this is co-opt the Tea Party 2.0
 
Beck talks a good talk between election cycles, but if there is a knife stuck in the back of good libertarian candidates come election time, I'll give good odds that Beck's fingerprints are near the scene of the crime.

In my opinion he is welcome in the small 'l' libertarian fold, but I sure would never let him define it. I suspect this is co-opt the Tea Party 2.0

It does seem to be a case of, be as libertarian as you want, and I'll even join you--but don't you ever try to put someone in a position to actually do something about libertarianism. That's going too far.
 
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