Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

[Article V]

Wait, so you're saying that if Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Prager, Medved, Ingraham, Coulter, Erickson, Boortz, etc, had all come out enthusiastically supporting Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, voters would've still chosen McCain and Romney?

HA!

Please don't put words in my mouth. One thing being false does not make the opposite true. Any imbecile should understand that so I'm not sure why you're putting up straw-men arguments reliant on twisted logic.

Geogiaboy Claim: Cows hate whales.
My response: No, that's not true.
Georgiaboy counter-argument: Wait, so you're saying cows love whales? HA!
My response: You're either a troll or dumber than an imbecile. Pick one.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I think maybe you need to go back and watch the video in the OP. Perhaps jot down a transcript for yourself. Glenn Beck doesn't try to distance himself from the Tea Party or Tea Party values in the OP; he clearly states that he's anti-Republican establishment, but that he thinks the Tea Party has largely made themselves irrelevant. That's not distancing himself, that's simple honest evaluation.

I agree with Beck: the Tea Party has largely made itself irrelevant by allowing itself to be co-opted by the establishment or represented by completely hopeless candidates like O'Donnell or Herman Cain. Can you honestly pretend that Christine O'Donnell's Senate nomination isn't an example of the Tea Party actively making itself irrelevant? In politics, if you want to protect your reputation, no candidate is better than a bad candidate; just like in business, no product is better than a bad product.

A new brand has little room for error if it seeks to establish a desired image in the eyes of the populace.

Um. Dude. It was Glenn Beck who made the Tea Parties irrelevant, by sending tem after status quo establishmentarians until the while concept was meaningless. You've misunderstood him completely, he's just taking pride in his own work.

 

[kathy88]

I agree with Beck: the Tea Party has largely made itself irrelevant by allowing itself to be co-opted by the establishment or represented by completely hopeless candidates like O'Donnell or Herman Cain. Can you honestly pretend that Christine O'Donnell's Senate nomination isn't an example of the Tea Party actively making itself irrelevant? In politics, if you want to protect your reputation, no candidate is better than a bad candidate; just like in business, no product is better than a bad product.

Glenn is the one who initially co-opted the tea party. He is just butt hurt because it got co-opted from him yet again.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Glenn is the one who initially co-opted the tea party. He is just butt hurt because it got co-opted from him yet again.

The co-option issue is sort of a Catch 22. A political movement wants to grow and bring in new people to the movement. But as a movement grows it is going to bring in people with different views on some issues, and differences of opinion on some strategies. Some from the movement, then will claim the movement is being co-opted.

If the movement wants to remain "pure" and only bring in people that will march in lock step with a particular ideology or belief, then the movement will fail to grow significantly.

 

[kathy88]

The co-option issue is sort of a Catch 22. A political movement wants to grow and bring in new people to the movement. But as a movement grows it is going to bring in people with different views on some issues, and differences of opinion on some strategies. Some from the movement, then will claim the movement is being co-opted.

If the movement wants to remain "pure" and only bring in people that will march in lock step with a particular ideology or belief, then the movement will fail to grow significantly.

Points taken. But the fact remains that Glenn Beck took credit for starting the tea party, which is just a lie. Then the establishment stepped in and now he's all mad about it. Karma, grasshoppper, is a bitch.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Points taken. But the fact remains that Glenn Beck took credit for starting the tea party, which is just a lie. Then the establishment stepped in and now he's all mad about it. Karma, grasshoppper, is a bitch.

Understood. I think sometimes folks spend way too much time worrying about labels. If one is focusing on political strategy, then go out get elected and help others get elected. If education is the strategy then organize classes, lectures and book speakers. Worry less about what movement you are in or what it is called, and just go out there and do the work that needs to be done.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

The co-option issue is sort of a Catch 22. A political movement wants to grow and bring in new people to the movement. But as a movement grows it is going to bring in people with different views on some issues, and differences of opinion on some strategies. Some from the movement, then will claim the movement is being co-opted.

If the movement wants to remain "pure" and only bring in people that will march in lock step with a particular ideology or belief, then the movement will fail to grow significantly.

Agreed, to an extent. On the other hand, if a movement brings in many new people with many different views on some issues to a significant extent, the movement fails to continue as a movement. A movement is to a significant degree is defined by a limited set of principles or an ideology.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

just go out there and do the work that needs to be done.

Agreed. And that's my approach.

Although, after seeing DHS's new targets, maybe it's time to hunker down.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Instant tea is just so...sour. Not sweet like the home made stuff.

At least it's clearly labeled though if one takes the time to give it a once over.

Can see it being prepared and served up from a mile away. Always service with a smile too.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Agreed, to an extent. On the other hand, if a movement brings in many new people with many different views on some issues to a significant extent, the movement fails to continue as a movement. A movement is to a significant degree is defined by a limited set of principles or an ideology.

Right, which is why in my follow up I said just go out there and do the work. Worry less about what "movement" you are a part of, because at the end of the day it boils down to individual action.

 

[georgiaboy]

Please don't put words in my mouth. One thing being false does not make the opposite true. Any imbecile should understand that so I'm not sure why you're putting up straw-men arguments reliant on twisted logic.

Doesn't feel so nice, does it?


Seriously, though, you and I obviously disagree on this.

It's great for folks like Glenn to preach the good news of small government principles to the masses. On that we agree.

I think it's horrible for him to then point to politicians that also talk about small government (sometimes), but enact big gov't policies. I think it has direct impact on public opinion, including for whom they vote.

You think who Glenn talks up is of minor impact to public opinion in the voting booth. I disagree.

Cool?

 

[supermario21]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joe-scarborough/2013/02/glenn-beck-vs-chris-christie-157401.html

I know our opinions of Glenn range from neutral (or slightly positive) to very negative, but we should probably stand with him in this spat with Scarborough over Christie.

 

[Brett85]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joe-scarborough/2013/02/glenn-beck-vs-chris-christie-157401.html

I know our opinions of Glenn range from neutral (or slightly positive) to very negative, but we should probably stand with him in this spat with Scarborough over Christie.

I can't stand Scarborough. He should just make it official and join the Democratic Party.

 

[trey4sports]

Just stay on the Randwagon and dont get scared when we have to make rhetorical concessions in order to build an alliance with Republicans.

 

[twomp]

I think maybe you need to go back and watch the video in the OP. Perhaps jot down a transcript for yourself. Glenn Beck doesn't try to distance himself from the Tea Party or Tea Party values in the OP; he clearly states that he's anti-Republican establishment, but that he thinks the Tea Party has largely made themselves irrelevant. That's not distancing himself, that's simple honest evaluation.

I agree with Beck: the Tea Party has largely made itself irrelevant by allowing itself to be co-opted by the establishment or represented by completely hopeless candidates like O'Donnell or Herman Cain. Can you honestly pretend that Christine O'Donnell's Senate nomination isn't an example of the Tea Party actively making itself irrelevant? In politics, if you want to protect your reputation, no candidate is better than a bad candidate; just like in business, no product is better than a bad product.

A new brand has little room for error if it seeks to establish a desired image in the eyes of the populace.

Maybe YOU should jot down some notes. You see when someone champions a group then claims that they are now irrelevant, THAT IS DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM THEM. It's like being on a team then saying the team can't hack it anymore. Glenn Beck was ALL about the Tea Party in 2009-2010 and now claims they are irrelevant and is moving on to the libertarians yet somehow you can't connect the dots and see that he is moving AWAY from the Tea Party? Watch it again and jot down some notes.

 

[matt0611]

I can't stand Beck but IMO this just proves the genius of Rand Paul.

 

[scottditzen]

What...the.....Oh hell no!

Santorum is quite a bit better than Ron on social issues.

 

[Slutter McGee]

As much as you people hate Beck.(I don't hate him, but don't trust him either)..he was right about libertarians eating their own. It is ridiculous. Never seen anything like it.

Slutter McGee

 

[supermario21]

But Glenn Beck is not stupid. Rand Paul is not stupid. Ted Cruz is not stupid. Justin Amash and Tom Massie aren't stupid. Neither is Mike Lee. Everyone distances themselves from their damaged goods. Letting people like Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, and Sarah Palin become the face of the Tea party will help kill it. Rand Paul is continuing the intellectual movement of his father and is allowing that to mesh with grassroots activists which has gotten us more candidates who are closer to us rather than say John McCain. Let's not let the morons take over essentially our tea party.

 

[Article V]

Maybe YOU should jot down some notes. You see when someone champions a group then claims that they are now irrelevant, THAT IS DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM THEM. It's like being on a team then saying the team can't hack it anymore. Glenn Beck was ALL about the Tea Party in 2009-2010 and now claims they are irrelevant and is moving on to the libertarians yet somehow you can't connect the dots and see that he is moving AWAY from the Tea Party? Watch it again and jot down some notes.

Not true. I think you need to have some more worldly experience and spend some more recreational time in a dictionary.

I went into my business last week and told them, "We've become irrelevant in this industry. If we want to survive, if we want to be the force we were 14 years ago, we have to re-evaluate. It's going to be hard, it's going to painful, and many of you may not be able to handle it; but it's what we need." And now I've set up a huge task force, a litany of internal & external evaluation systems, and am spending all my time reshaping the business and rediscovering the vision of our mission in action. Blunt honesty, even with those you like, can be painful, but it doesn't imply distancing.