Gaza under attack by Israel

[awake]

Israel has plenty of room to be condemned. They continue to exacerbate war by stealing and killing people off of their property.Since the inception of Israel , violent Zionism, bent on territorial expansion is, and always has been, the US and Israeli foreign policy. Its not as complicated as they say... War is always about the theft of and destruction of property.

 

[androidappme]

Israel has plenty of room to be condemned. They continue to exacerbate war by stealing and killing people off of their property.Since the inception of Israel , violent Zionism, bent on territorial expansion is, and always has been, the US and Israeli foreign policy. Its not as complicated as they say... War is always about the theft of and destruction property.

Yes and Israel pulled out of Gaza.

Israel is so violent and so bent on territorial expansion that its less than the size of New Jersey.

 

[dannno]

Yes and Israel pulled out of Gaza.

Gaza is a concentration camp occupied by Israel.

 

[amy31416]

Israel has again attacked Gaza. In its aerial and ground assault that began on Saturday, November 10th, at least 7 Palestinians have been killed, 5 of them civilians, 3 of whom were children. Up to 52 others, including 6 women and 12 children, have been wounded.


One of the wounded is carried into a hospital in Gaza City following Israel’s shelling (Reuters/Mohammed Salem)

As in every vicious military offensive Israel carries out in Gaza, the dominant narrative is that it is a response to rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel. This is how it’s being reported in the US, and this is how virtually every American understands it.

And it’s a lie.

It’s true that on Saturday, prior to the expanded Israeli bombardment, the military wing of the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine shot an anti-tank missile at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle near the Gaza border, wounding four Israeli soldiers. But what prompted the firing of the anti-tank missile?

First, on Monday, November 5th, Israeli forces shot and killed 23 year old Ahmad Nabhani when he “approached the border fence with Israel.” According to at least one account, Nabhani was mentally challenged.

Then, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers, to be exact – invaded southern Gaza, shooting and killing a 13-year old boy. Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (via):

According to investigations conducted by PCHR, at approximately 16:30 on Thursday, as a result of the indiscriminate shooting by IOF military vehicles that had moved into the ‘Abassan village, 13-year-old Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was seriously wounded by a bullet to the abdomen. At the time he was shot, Ahmed had been playing football with his friends in front of his family’s house, located nearly 1,200 meters away from the area where the IOF were present.

So, even if honest observers brush to the side the cruel and inhumane Israeli blockade on Gaza and refuse to let it influence the equation of exactly which side started this flare up of violence, it is clear Israel started this latest clash. And in response to the response, Israel has waged a harsh, disproportionate military assault.

This would be a simple thing to understand if, for example, Western media bothered to ask the other side what happened. Palestinian news media immediately reported that the anti-tank missile Israel was supposedly responding to was admitted to by the Popular Resistance Committees, who described it as “revenge” for preceding Israeli violence on Gaza. But that basic task of honest journalism is apparently out of the question.

Every single Israeli incursion or attack on Gaza is accompanied by the same narrative: Israel fairly responded to unprovoked Palestinian rocket fire. The last major war on Gaza, Operation Cast Lead in December ’08-January ’09, also carried this narrative. Israel committed war crimes in that one-sided conflict, targeting and killing hundreds of civilians, using indiscriminate weapons, and intentionally destroying ....

Need more?

Read here: http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-lie-of-who-started-it/

Same lies told over and over and over again.

 

[Confederate]

Gaza is a concentration camp occupied by Israel.

No. It's ghetto blockaded by Israel.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Hamas has launched over 200 rockets and various missiles into Israel since this began. 8 Israelis are dead. Israel did not "Attack Gaza" as the thread title seems to pretend. Israel is defending itself.

The Israeli responce goes beyond proportional. Hamas sent a few missiles up (as they do from time to time) which caused little damage and Israel assasinated a Hamas official. Now they are calling up people and massing forces at the border for a possible invasion of Palestine. "Who started it first" actually goes back decades. Both have been doing things which upset the other side.

Israel needs to ease up on the Palestinian territories and allow them more freedom to move and trade and autonomy. Then they will have less reason to hate and attack Israel. The Palestinian territories are a police camp where travel and movement of goods are severely restricted. Their agressive military responce may play well to its own citizens as political theater but it will not improve their security in the long term.

 

[UWDude]

Hamas has launched over 200 rockets and various missiles into Israel since this began. 8 Israelis are dead. Israel did not "Attack Gaza" as the thread title seems to pretend. Israel is defending itself.

Source?

 

[UWDude]

Israel is so violent and so bent on territorial expansion that its less than the size of New Jersey.

Israel is bigger than New Jersey, so which propaganda outlet are you parroting, since you obviously heard this factually incorrect statement somewhere else. I know none of your arguments come from any type of original thinking.

 

[compromise]

Israel has plenty of room to be condemned. They continue to exacerbate war by stealing and killing people off of their property.Since the inception of Israel , violent Zionism, bent on territorial expansion is, and always has been, the US and Israeli foreign policy. Its not as complicated as they say... War is always about the theft of and destruction property.

So you believe Ron Paul was wrong when he was one of the only Congressmen to vote against Reagan-led condemnation of Israel for bombing Iraq's nuclear plant?

 

[compromise]

Gaza is a concentration camp occupied by Israel.

Just as the Cherokee Nation is a concentration camp occupied by Oklahoma..

 

[dillo]

Here comes ww3, how much anti Palestinian propaganda will be on the news the next couple of weeks?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Israel is bigger than New Jersey, so which propaganda outlet are you parroting, since you obviously heard this factually incorrect statement somewhere else. I know none of your arguments come from any type of original thinking.

Actually they are about the same size.
http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/new_jersey.htm

New Jersey is the 5th-smallest US state, covering about 7800 square miles or 20,000 square kilometers.
As the comparison map above shows, the land currently controlled by the State of Israel (including disputed territories) is not much larger. Israel in its pre-1967 borders was 8,019 square miles or 20,770 square kilometers, just barely bigger than New Jersey.

 

[dannno]

So you believe Ron Paul was wrong when he was one of the only Congressmen to vote against Reagan-led condemnation of Israel for bombing Iraq's nuclear plant?

He is against using the state as a mouth-piece to 'condemn' something or a nation in the name of the people, instead individuals should condemn the actions of governments and such.

 

[dannno]

Just as the Cherokee Nation is a concentration camp occupied by Oklahoma..

lol... If you're talking about today that's like comparing putting calamine lotion on a bug bite to a hip replacement.

 

[UWDude]

Actually they are about the same size.
http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/new_jersey.htm

pre-1967 borders. And he said smaller, which clearly is not true. He is parroting some propaganda site.

 

[juleswin]

So you believe Ron Paul was wrong when he was one of the only Congressmen to vote against Reagan-led condemnation of Israel for bombing Iraq's nuclear plant?

Ron Paul did not support the attack, his objections is that the US shouldn't be telling other countries how to behave.

 

[UWDude]

Just as the Cherokee Nation is a concentration camp occupied by Oklahoma..

Are there sanctions on honey, sugar, and cement for the Cherokee?
Are there American settlements being taken from the reservation and housing being built on them for white Christians only?
IS there a big long guarded fence, and kill zone, surrounding the Cherokee reservation, with guarded entry ways where every Cherokee that wants to work outside of the reservation must wait in line hours each day to be patted down and given clearance by American Soldiers?

 

[awake]

" When this war began, the Israeli leaders proclaimed that they were not interested in "one inch" of territory; their fighting was purely defensive. But now that Israel sits upon its conquests, after repeated violations of UN cease-fires, it sings a very different tune. Its forces still occupy all of the Sinai Peninsula; all of Palestinian Jordan has been seized, sending another nearly 200,000 hapless Arab refugees to join their hundreds of thousands of forlorn comrades; it has seized a goodly chunk of Syria; and Israel arrogantly proclaims that it will never, never return the Old City of Jerusalem or internationalize it; Israeli seizure of all of Jerusalem is simply "not negotiable."

If Israel has been the aggressor in the Middle East, the role of the United States in all this has been even more unlovely. The hypocrisy of the U.S. position is almost unbelievable – or would be if we were not familiar with U.S. foreign policy over the decades. When the war first began , and it looked for a moment as if Israel were in danger, the U.S. rushed in to avow its dedication to the "territorial integrity of the Middle East" – as if the borders of 1949-67 were somehow embalmed in Holy Writ and had to be preserved at all costs. But – as soon as it was clear that Israel had won and conquered once again, America swiftly shed its supposed cherished "principles." Now there is no more talk of the "territorial integrity of the Middle East"; now it is all "realism" and the absurdity of going back to obsolete status quo borders and the necessity for the Arabs to accept a general settlement in the Middle East, etc. How much more evidence do we need that an approving United States has always stayed in the wings, ready to come to the aid of Israel if necessary? How much more evidence do we need that Israel is now the ally and satellite of the U.S., which in the Middle East as in so many other areas of the world has assumed the mantle once worn by British imperialism?
The one thing that Americans must not be lured into believing is that Israel is a "little" "underdog" against its mighty Arab neighbors. Israel is a European nation with a European technological standard battling a primitive and undeveloped foe; furthermore, Israel has behind it, feeding it, and financing it the massed might of countless Americans and West Europeans, as well as the Leviathan governments of the United States and its numerous allies and client states. Israel is no more a "gallant underdog" because of numerical inferiority than British imperialism was a "gallant underdog" when it conquered far more populous lands in India, Africa, and Asia.

Israel, therefore, faces a long-run dilemma which she must someday meet. Either to continue on her present course and, after years of mutual hostility and conflict be overthrown by Arab people’s guerrilla war. Or – to change direction drastically, to cut herself loose completely from Western imperial ties, and become simply Jewish citizens of the Middle East. If she did that, then peace and harmony and justice would at last reign in that tortured region. There is ample precedent for this peaceful coexistence. For in the centuries before 19th- and 20th-century Western imperialism, Jew and Arab had always lived well and peacefully together in the Middle East. There is no inherent enmity or conflict between Arab and Jew. In the great centuries of Arab civilization in North Africa and Spain, Jews took a happy and prominent part – in contrast to their ongoing persecution by the fanatics of the Christian West. Shorn of Western influence and Western imperialism, that harmony can reign once more." -Rothbard

 

[bunklocoempire]

I think I'll call up my 'Israel first' aquaintances and offer to drive their sons and daughters to the recruiting station.

 

[awake]

So you believe Ron Paul was wrong when he was one of the only Congressmen to vote against Reagan-led condemnation of Israel for bombing Iraq's nuclear plant?

So your saying he was for bombing Iraq's nuke plant?