Gary Johnson Gary Johnson polls at 7 percent in Obama/Romney match up

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Gary Johnson's right-hand-man is Roger Stone, who is a guy so bereft of decency that Richard Nixon hired him to be his dirty trickster. Later, Stone showed his gratitude by getting a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back.

Nixon was the primary reason the Libertarian Party started, and forty years later one of his closest associates is now heavily-aligned with the likely presidential nominee. How's that for irony?

edit: here's a picture of Stone on the cover of that well-known libertarian magazine The Weekly Standard

Do people remember when this board liked Glenn Beck before it DIDN'T like him, before wondering whether to LIKE him again?

Does anyone remember that one of the things that DIDN'T bother this board too much was that Beck goosed his career (good on him! more money!) by hiring Democratic Operative / Public Relations Guru Matt Hiltzik? LOL, Beck had the chutzpah to rationalize in terms of RESPECTING THE GUY'S PRINCIPLES.

Politics is a DIRTY BUSINESS.

Play hardball, or don't.

 

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Do people remember when this board liked Glenn Beck before it DIDN'T like him, before wondering whether to LIKE him again?

Does anyone remember that one of the things that DIDN'T bother this board too much was that Beck goosed his career (good on him! more money!) by hiring Democratic Operative / Public Relations Guru Matt Hiltzik? LOL, Beck had the chutzpah to rationalize in terms of RESPECTING THE GUY'S PRINCIPLES.

Politics is a DIRTY BUSINESS.

Play hardball, or don't.

All we need to do is raise half a billion dollars, and somehow get the corporate-fascist media on our side, and will have Roger Stone back in the White House in no time.

Yay for Liberty!

 

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I wish the LP would realize their true power resides in coming back to the GOP and making it whole again...

I wish Ron Paul would realize that his true power lies in threat of a third-party run.

WHADDYA MEAN, THEY'RE TERRIFIED OF HIM! THAT'S WHY THEY BLACKBALL AND DISPARAGE HIM!

Yeah, terrified in the sense that YOU would be terrified by...[fill in the blank]. Being tortured WHILE being made to watch helplessly as your Significant Others get raped (I have a theatrical imagination), THAT has gotta be a terrifying thought.

But also very very very extremely UNLIKELY. Phew!

THAT is how they fear Ron Paul getting the REPUBLICAN nomination. THEY CONTROL THE PROCESS.

I'm thinking the ONE THING they'd hate more than Ron Paul winning the Republican nomination is Ron Paul winning the Presidency NOT as a Republican.

But they control THAT process too, you say?

THEN WHY NOT PLAY BOTH HANDS?

 

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All we need to do is raise half a billion dollars, and somehow get the corporate-fascist media on our side, and will have Roger Stone back in the White House in no time.

Yay for Liberty!

But you DO think Ron Paul can raise a half-billion dollars and win the corporate-fascist media as a Republican?

 

[tbone717]

Look at the questions. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_032212.pdf

Q9. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Gary Johnson? --- 4% favorable
Q10. If the candidates for President this year were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romney, and Libertarian Gary Johnson, who would you vote for? --- Johnson gets 7%.

I can guarantee if Q9 was eliminated that Johnson would have gotten less than 7%. And I will go further to say that if you can substitute nearly anyone's name (Buddy Roemer, Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, Virgil Goode, etc) in for Q9 and Q10 and get similar results.

Polls like this are meaningless. In fact, Jill Stein got 24% in a similar poll. If anyone thinks Jill Stein is going to get 24% in November they need to have their head examined.

 

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Polls like this are meaningless.

Sometimes, sometimes not. But the truth is, you WANT this poll to be bullshit.

You don't WANT it to be true that Americans are grumbling AGAINST both parties an FOR another choice, but they ARE. I hear them.

The UNFUNNY JOKE about people like you stubbornly, in my view STUPIDLY, discouraging voting for Ron Paul at Americans Elect is that, OF people grumbling for another choice, MANY don't realize that Ron Paul is still in the race. As in, they DO recognize the name (at last!)...but they assume (not without cause) that he ALREADY DROPPED OUT.

 

[tbone717]

Sometimes, sometimes not. But the truth is, you WANT this poll to be bullshit.

You don't WANT it to be true that Americans are grumbling AGAINST both parties an FOR another choice, but they ARE. I hear them.

If Gary Johnson gets about 1% in November I will buy you a case of beer. If he gets lower, you owe me one.

Honestly, is this the first Presidential election you have ever followed? Because you are letting your mind go off into mythical worlds where Gary Johnson gets 7% of the vote. It is not going to happen in reality.

Go back to 2008, 2004, 2000 and you will find polls like this as well showing Nader or Buchanan getting 5, 10 or 15 points in fantasy polls like this. This happens every four years and all the third party people get all excited thinking people are actually paying attention to them, when in reality they are not.

 

[BamaAla]

So has Gary been nominated by the LP already? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that he was going to have some intense competition for the nomination?

7% sounds good, but I'd be willing to bet $10,000 he wouldn't break the 2% mark...give me juice and I'll make it 1.

 

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Honestly, is this the first Presidential election you have ever followed?

Go back to 2008, 2004, 2000

Sooo . . . are ya sayin' that this is JUST ANOTHER ELECTION, IN ANY OL' YEAR?

Or are you saying that The System will prevail, NO MATTER WHAT?

 

[tbone717]

So has Gary been nominated by the LP already? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that he was going to have some intense competition for the nomination?

7% sounds good, but I'd be willing to bet $10,000 he wouldn't break the 2% mark...give me juice and I'll make it 1.

Hell if the over/under on the LP nominee is Barr's percentage from 08 (0.399%) I'd take the under.

 

[tbone717]

Sooo . . . are ya sayin' that this is JUST ANOTHER ELECTION, IN ANY OL' YEAR?

Or are you saying that The System will prevail, NO MATTER WHAT?

I am saying that you are getting all worked up about a poll that means nothing, and is just like polls that happen every 4 years about this time going back as long as I can remember. So yes, this is just another election. Just because we have a horse in this race doesn't mean that the whole world is focused on this like we are. You have personal involvement in this, so I get it - there is some passion. But step back and take a look at things from the outside and you will see that for most Americans this is just another election.

 

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I am saying that you are getting all worked up about a poll that means nothing, and is just like polls that happen every 4 years about this time going back as long as I can remember. So yes, this is just another election. Just because we have a horse in this race doesn't mean that the whole world is focused on this like we are. You have personal involvement in this, so I get it - there is some passion. But step back and take a look at things from the outside and you will see that for most Americans this is just another election.

Nice try, and right back atcha.

But let's DO talk about who's INVESTED in what, shall we? Oh that's right, we CAN'T.

I am DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to tbone717's counsel...which I will explain when/where I will express my horror and disgust at his suggestion that Ron Paul should lose gracefully and be CARNIVAL BARKER for other Republican candidates. I sooooo don't think KINGMAKER is the label that will be slapped on THAT.

"IMHO, FWIW."

Internal Polls are very popular around here. Y'all should conduct one, TRUE OR FALSE: "So yes, this is just another election."

 

[tbone717]

Nice try. Let's DO talk about who's INVESTED in what, shall we? Oh that's right, we CAN'T.

I am DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to tbone717's counsel...which I will explain when/where I respond to his (to me) HORRIFYING suggestion that Ron Paul should lose gracefully and be CARNIVAL BARKER for other Republican candidates. KINGMAKER is not the label that will be slapped on THAT.

"IMHO, FWIW."

Really you think Paul being out on the campaign trail for Amash, Johnson, Mack, Bradley, Massie, Kwiatowski, Jones and others is being a carnival barker?

And yes this is just another election. Maybe not to us because we have invested a lot of time and money into it, but for 99% of the population it is just another election.

We did better than anyone could have expected. We technically still have a shot at it all, and more then likely will have some influence in the party platform. That is leaps and bounds from where we were four years ago.

So again, I will ask you, is this the first presidential campaign you have been involved in? Because we go through this every four years. I have been doing this since the late 80's. And every four years there comes out polls that show that people are tired of the two party system, that a third party candidate would get 5, 10, 15% or whatever. Supporters of that guy get all excited and at the end of the day they get less than 1% in the general election.

So there's a poll that says Johnson gets 7% - yippie. There's a poll that shows Rocky Anderson getting 5%, Jill Stein getting 24%, and I am sure we can dig one up that has Roseanne Barr getting double digits as well. None of them mean that come November these things are actually going to happen.

But if you want to believe it go right ahead. You can feel free to apologize come November when you are shown to be wrong.

 

[speciallyblend]

8% more support for gary after the gop locks out ron paul. Would get gary on the national debate stage and exposing obama/romney ticket on the national debate stage. Though i would be fine with a Paul/Johnson 2012 Ticket if the gop does not nominate Ron Paul.

 

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8% more support for gary after the gop locks out ron paul. Would get gary on the national debate stage. Exposing obama/romney ticket on the national debate stage. Though i would be fine with a Paul/Johnson 2012 Ticket if the gop does not nominate Ron Paul.

 

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Really you think Paul being out on the campaign trail for Amash, Johnson, Mack, Bradley, Massie, Kwiatowski, Jones and others is being a carnival barker?

Compared to a clear-cut, unambiguous, free-standing, all-out campaign? YES, I do.

#DemotivatorsInc: "Never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people."

Think, ENTANGLING ALLIANCES. Think, BORROWING TROUBLE.

He coulda been HERE... Maybe if he gone THERE instead of THERE...

There has ALREADY been dissension about some of his choices as to where & when is physically present.

FYI, it defies all probability that a list of "7 and others" are all equally good. Are you ON it? Are you PAID by someone on it?

Who gets the juice? Who decides? Who is laboring under the opinion that everyone likes/supports everyone ELSE who runs on a Board-approved platform? There is disagreement over RAND, fer cryin' out loud. Have Ron Paul Supporters ever been FOOLED by seemingly simpatico WORDS?

 

[tbone717]

8% more support for gary after the gop locks out ron paul. Would get gary on the national debate stage. Exposing obama/romney ticket on the national debate stage. Though i would be fine with a Paul/Johnson 2012 Ticket if the gop does not nominate Ron Paul.<br><br>

This is incorrect. The CPD rules state that for a candidate to be included in the national debates, "candidates must appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College, and have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination." (source)

 

[tbone717]

Compared to a clear-cut, unambiguous, free-standing, all-out campaign? YES, I do.

Think, ENTANGLING ALLIANCES.

FYI, it defies all probability that a list of "7 and others" are all equally good. Who gets the juice? Who decides? Who is laboring under the opinion that everyone likes/supports everyone ELSE who runs on a Board-approved platform? Have Ron Paul Supporters ever been FOOLED by seemingly simpatico WORDS?

#DemotivatorsInc: "Never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people."

That is for Paul to decide who he endorses and who he stumps for.

But your suggestion that he will be running a "free-standing, all-out campaign" falls short because he will be severely hampered by money and media coverage. And again, he has already stated that barring any major event, like the collapse of the dollar, he has no interest in running as a third party candidate. So until he decides to do so it is a moot point.

But you can keep pushing the issue if you want. Feel free to attend the LP and CP conventions if you wish. I think it is only 300 bucks for a ticket to each of them plus travel & lodging of course.

Have a safe trip.

 

[speciallyblend]

This is incorrect. The CPD rules state that for a candidate to be included in the national debates, "candidates must appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College, and have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination." (source)

lp is on 50 states and 15% to get on national debate stage is what i said so i am correct. I said 8% more on top of 7 =15% ,bottom line is if they shut ron paul out, gary can expose them on a national debate stage. If we make it happen.

 

[tbone717]

lp is on 50 states and 15% to get on national debate stage is what i said so i am correct. I said 8% more on top of 7 =15% ,bottom line is if they shut ron paul out, gary can expose them on a national debate stage. If we make it happen.

At present they only have ballot access in 27 states (source)

I misread your post about 8% more. My apology.