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[tbone717]

All thoroughly vetted, I suppose? Not a Christine O'Donnell or Scott Brown in the bunch?

Lemme ask you another question, DAD: Are you in recollection that no small few Ron Paul Supporters (invested, like pro-GOP people) can only even CONCEIVE of voting Republican BECAUSE of Ron Paul?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who thinks a Ron Paul loss is actually a WIN if we can get a host of OTHER Republicans into OTHER offices?

Actually, there has been a group here on RPF that have been looking over all their position statements, interviews, etc and grading them. That is in the OP of the thread. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365683-List-of-Liberty-minded-Candidates-for-US-Congress

Yes, I am aware that there are some who have come from outside the GOP to support Paul, and I am also aware that many of those will not be around for the long term fight that we are in. We saw the same thing occur in the 90's with Pat Buchanan.

And to answer the final question, yes I believe that if Paul does not win the nomination getting other libertarian Republicans elected is a huge victory. This is about growing a movement, not just one man. The more libertarian minded folks we have in office the better.

 

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...This is about growing a movement, not just one man. The more libertarian minded folks we have in office the better.

Spare me your sanctimony. I have been typing right along about PRINCIPLES OVER PERSONALITIES.

Every one of the dozens of "libertarian-leaning Republicans" you cite boils down to ONE PERSON. Their INDIVIDUAL ascensions (or lack thereof) are SMALL POTATOES in the big liberty-and-justice-for-all picture.

 

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...yes I believe that if Paul does not win the nomination getting other libertarian Republicans elected is a huge victory.

Huge victory . . . FOR INDIVIDUAL REPUBLICANS AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

How is THAT a goal of Liberty Forest, Campaign For Liberty, Freedom Fighters, et al.?

 

[tbone717]

Spare me your sanctimony. I have been typing right along about PRINCIPLES OVER PERSONALITIES.

Every one of the dozens of "libertarian-leaning Republicans" you cite boils down to ONE PERSON. Their INDIVIDUAL ascensions (or lack thereof) are SMALL POTATOES in the big liberty-and-justice-for-all picture.

How do you expect the issue that concern us to move through the House and Senate without large scale support?

 

[speciallyblend]

FOR INDIVIDUAL REPUBLICANS AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

How is THAT a goal of Liberty Forest, Campaign For Liberty, Freedom Fighters, et al.

if you have no other option in your state to vote for. you can be a republican and vote for libertarian candidates over neo-cons and status quo. If the gop has no product. Then vote for another product. It helps not voting in gop est and voting for a conservative or libertarian instead of status quo. In the end that helps our movement and the goal of liberty forest,CFL etc etc

I plan on voting principles over party for sure. edit misread your post a lil ,been up overnight tired. but you still get my jist.

 

[speciallyblend]

Actually, there has been a group here on RPF that have been looking over all their position statements, interviews, etc and grading them. That is in the OP of the thread. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365683-List-of-Liberty-minded-Candidates-for-US-Congress

Yes, I am aware that there are some who have come from outside the GOP to support Paul, and I am also aware that many of those will not be around for the long term fight that we are in. We saw the same thing occur in the 90's with Pat Buchanan.

And to answer the final question, yes I believe that if Paul does not win the nomination getting other libertarian Republicans elected is a huge victory. This is about growing a movement, not just one man. The more libertarian minded folks we have in office the better.

totally agree. My job is to hold the gop accountable and hold their feet to the fire until they follow their principles!

 

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How do you expect the issue that concern us to move through the House and Senate without large scale support?

If "leader" Ron Paul himself cannot generate LARGE-SCALE SUPPORT for his Presidency, what makes YOU imagine that yet ANOTHER "new crop" of people "going to Washington to make a difference" will make a difference?

 

[tbone717]

Huge victory . . . FOR INDIVIDUAL REPUBLICANS AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

How is THAT a goal of Liberty Forest, Campaign For Liberty, Freedom Fighters, et al.?

Well I can answer with the goal of C4L. Quoted from their mission statement: "Our mission is to promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity."

 

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Well I can answer with the goal of C4L. Quoted from their mission statement: "Our mission is to promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity."

NOT A WORD about resurrecting/repairing/infiltrating/overtaking/saving/pimping the REPUBLICAN "PARTY".

 

[tbone717]

If "leader" Ron Paul himself cannot generate LARGE-SCALE SUPPORT for his Presidency, what makes YOU imagine that yet ANOTHER "new crop" of people "going to Washington to make a difference" will make a difference?

Because Rome wasn't built in a day. You can either work your butt off to change the direction of this country through engagement and interaction with people, and through the political activity of like-minded men and women who are running for office OR you can be a defeatist and believe that no one will be able to make a difference short of Paul winning the White House.

 

[tbone717]

NOT A WORD about resurrecting/repairing/infiltrating/overtaking/saving/pimping the REPUBLICAN "PARTY".

C4L is not permitted to endorse candidates per FEC laws.

 

[speciallyblend]

All thoroughly vetted, I suppose? Not a Christine O'Donnell or Scott Brown in the bunch?

Lemme ask you another question, DAD: Are you in recollection that no small few Ron Paul Supporters (invested, like pro-GOP people) can only even CONCEIVE of voting Republican BECAUSE of Ron Paul?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who thinks a Ron Paul loss is actually a WIN if we can get a host of OTHER Republicans into OTHER offices?

I will gladly raise my hands, even if ron paul does not win. We plan on taking over the colorado gop PERIOD!! We did it in many counties back in 2008 and in my denver district we went from 0 in 2008 to 100% ron paul cd1 district 4 and we also passed tons of resolutions which i call ron pauling We also won majority of the delegates for denver and much more that i cannot tell you until april 14th We are never going away unless they kill us! from the bottom up not top down we are coming!

 

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My question to the Board stands:

SHOW OF HANDS: Who thinks a Ron Paul loss is actually a WIN if we can get a host of OTHER REPUBLICANS into other offices?

 

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...we also passed tons of resolutions which i call ron pauling

I call that a BUDDING BUREAUCRACY.

 

[tbone717]

I will gladly raise my hands, even if ron paul does not win. We plan on taking over the colorado gop PERIOD!! We did it in many counties back in 2008 and in my denver district we went from 0 in 2008 to 100% ron paul cd1 district 4 and we also passed tons of resolutions which i call ron pauling We also won majority of the delegates for denver and much more that i cannot tell you until april 14th We are never going away unless they kill us! from the bottom up not top down we are coming!

Right. And this continues on in 2013 as well. For most states 2013 is an "off year" election with primarily local races at stake. These are huge opportunities to have our folks win offices, especially since these "off-year" elections have a very low turnout. It doesn't take all that much work to generate enough support to win some of these local seats.

 

[LibertyEagle]

NOT A WORD about resurrecting/repairing/infiltrating/overtaking/saving/pimping the REPUBLICAN "PARTY".

What specifically do you not get about this?

Quoted from their mission statement: "Our mission is to promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity."

 

[tbone717]

I call that a BUDDING BUREAUCRACY.

There are many of us that have been hard at work with the bottom up approach that speciallyblend described. It seems you disagree with this.

So then what is your plan cheapseats? How do you propose that we restore the Republic?

 

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I will gladly raise my hands, even if ron paul does not win. We plan on taking over the colorado gop PERIOD!! We did it in many counties back in 2008 and in my denver district we went from 0 in 2008 to 100% ron paul cd1 district 4 and we also passed tons of resolutions which i call ron pauling We also won majority of the delegates for denver and much more that i cannot tell you until april 14th We are never going away unless they kill us! from the bottom up not top down we are coming!

Right. And this continues on in 2013 as well. For most states 2013 is an "off year" election with primarily local races at stake. These are huge opportunities to have our folks win offices, especially since these "off-year" elections have a very low turnout. It doesn't take all that much work to generate enough support to win some of these local seats.

Gentlemen, start your engines! Aaaand, they're OFF! Who doesn't love the races, eh?

Luckily for the rest of us, by the time the RIGHT KIND OF REPUBLICANS pull all this together (which they will be able to do because none of the other parts are moving, only them), there is NOT A CHANCE that any of the RIGHT KIND OF REPUBLICANS will prove to be insincere, inept and/or corruptible.

 

[tbone717]

Gentlemen, start your engines! Aaaand, they're OFF! Who doesn't love the races, eh?

Luckily for the rest of us, by the time the RIGHT KIND OF REPUBLICANS pull all this together (which they will be able to do because none of the other parts are moving, only them), there is NOT A CHANCE that any of the RIGHT KIND OF REPUBLICANS will prove to be insincere, inept and/or corruptible.

Again - what is your plan?

 

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What specifically do you not get about this?

Quoted from their mission statement: "Our mission is to promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity."

I don't get how that parlays into BUFFETING & PIMPING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.