For Bradley in DC and anyone that wants to understand the truth of the delegate proce

[mdh]

Apparently you missed his post.

That post was in response to your post which stated as fact that "a great deal of people" had added Bradley to their ignore lists, and that "Dr Steve" may wish to do so as well. I felt you took great liberties in speaking for "a great deal of people", so I called you out on it. People who speak for others (our politicians speak for us all the time...) very frequently do so because they don't believe people will agree with them when given the opportunity to speak for themselves, and they are afraid of having other or even opposing viewpoints put to the public. Another reason that people often speak for others is that they wish to give credibility to untrue statements.

I'd also note that not a single other person has come forward stating that they have Bradley on their ignore list, which further calls into question Sandra's original assertion.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Are you a lobbyist?

Is that meant as an ad hominem attack?

No, I'm not.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Not being able to produce evidence seems to be a recurring phenomenon in this thread.

Hey! One side of this debate--the debate on the OP topic at least--are producing evidence.

 

[LibertyIn08]

Hey! One side of this debate--the debate on the OP topic at least--are producing evidence.

Hey, I got your back, don't worry.

Still no response as to how we can unbind CA's delegates when their state convention is after the national convention!

 

[Bradley in DC]

Hey, I got your back, don't worry.

Duly noted. Thanks.

Still no response as to how we can unbind CA's delegates when their state convention is after the national convention!

It's even more comical than that: the state convention has NO ROLE in choosing the national convention delegates anyway!

 

[LibertyIn08]

It's even more comical than that: the state convention has NO ROLE in choosing the national convention delegates anyway!

Well, I tried telling that to SGP both here and at Daily Paul, but still have not gotten a response, other than an attack on my intellectual capabilities (which perhaps are lacking, but such a discussion does not pertain to the issue at hand).

I just got frustrated after having to tell multiple people in my district that their chances of being delegates in Illinois were slim-to-none, despite the fact that SGP had told them it was a sure-fire thing. Their website did not explain the loophole process, and many are expecting to go to the convention with the thoughts of us controlling the full slate.

Sadly, it cannot happen.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Posted at 5.23 pm

If you knew what i go through on a daily basis you would know my skin is thick and they will never drive me away.

It is very hard to defeat the truth although trouble makers are usually very easy to discredit for these people combine nouns and verbs to illicit prescribed responses which are irelivent to an intellegent mind.

I get frustrated sometimes but i will be going nowhere i assure you.




Steve

Posted at 5.59 pm, next day

What is amazing here is all i see from most are people that want to support a 3rd party run and people that support Bob Barr that is not even close to be someone Ron Paul would ever support but yet many have mad him the saint of the movement.

I also see that you make suggestions based on things i have never climed to be 100% in any way what so ever and instead of focusing all your energy in to getting people involved in the party and changing the platform you decide to use the same tactics the neo cons use which is to discourage people to even try.

IT'S OVER - HE CAN'T WIN - WE NEED 3RD PARTY.

I had written in detail the answers to everyone questions but i can see this is a waste of time.

We have 12 states that haven't even had a primary and you people sit here and complain about 3rd party runs. What a bunch of defeatest attitudes here what a shame.

Here is some reality before i am put in a straight jacket - 3rd parties CAN NOT WIN because of the way the system is set up and if you people have not figured that out yet you need to have your heads examined.

You do not have to worry i won't be back here to as some of said destroying the movement. [emphasis added]

I didn't know getting people involved in local politics and teaching them how to fight back was how things are destroyed?

The american people are LAZY and that is why america has failed and why the Government has taken control of your money and your lives but you are either too lazy of too stupid to figure it out and for those of you that have figured it out GOOD FOR YOU.

Bradley you keep giving people the discouragment that they are helpless and you should be admired for that.

Go ahead and supprt this 3rd party crap and waste your money supporting a lost cause instead of getting involved and changing the party from the inside out.

No wonder this campaign has done so terrible because most of you have no clue how the system works and will just allow things to keep going as they have.

I left my party and spent thousands to help this type of attitude i should have my head examined.

Good luck all you will surely need it.

So the moral is that you cannot defend your canard so you are taking your marbles and going home?

Steve, I genuinely hope you cool off and return. However, as a former Democrat, you seem to be falling into a common problem they have of confusing the importance of "intentions" with reality. Because I point out reality (official campaign incompetence, the factual errors of your posts, etc.), you have to question my intentions. When the reality of my good intentions (and good facts) are defended here, you can't take it.

As I've pointed out in this thread and the stickied one, now is the time for us to roll up our sleeves because we have work to do electing more RP delegates. We can only do that by facing hard-headed reality and working with good information. Trying to twist reality to fit intentions doesn't work.

 

[Roxi]

good grief this thread has gone in so many directions...


I would only like to comment on the identity of both mdh and melissa.... mdh's real name is Matt and he came to NH for Operation Live Free Or Die. He stayed several weeks in the Hampton house with a group of about 16 people, a few of them are on this forum and could verify that as well. He was also one of the original guys who started Ron Paul Radio and has stated only the facts in his post. I also know melissa is his wife and she also came to NH for OLFD which although i coordinated her arrival i can't remember if she stayed in the london derry house or franks house, but i know she took video of the ron paul igloo/fort that was made there...

anyway i have some pictures of him in NH on my blog im sure which is in my signature below but im sure several hundred people on this forum can verify my identity and that i was the volunteer coordinator in NH for OLFD for 2 months

thats all thanks....

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

How can a question be an ad hominem attack? I was told that virtually every resident of DC is apart of the corruption.

Stop picking on Sandra.

 

[mdh]

How can a question be an ad hominem attack? I was told that virtually every resident of DC is apart of the corruption.

Stop picking on Sandra.

Sandra started picking on others, including my friends and then me when I defended them. "I don't start fights, I just end 'em."

 

[Bradley in DC]

How can a question be an ad hominem attack? I was told that virtually every resident of DC is apart of the corruption.

Stop picking on Sandra.

I have never picked on Sandra. And the purpose of this thread is to see whether one should believe Steve or his detractors--one can't believe everything one is told. If anything, Steve started it to pick on me, as the title and OP should suggest clearly.

 

[Drsteveparent]

One more thing to add for now. Dr. Steve, can you prove this statement

Now I assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states, WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES OVER ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST STATES. So yes, they won the straw poll, and we won what counts – which is delegates.

I'm going to guess you can't, because I don't think it's even close to being the truth, and yet you state it like it's pure fact.

Also, since I posted my criticism of you, you've replied four times in this thread, yet you have failed to reply to my post, any reason for this?

Why would i answer any of your questions considering you made it clear your intentions which is that putting a democrat in the white house would be a good thing. Yes that comment deserves for me to explain nothing to you for you have already quit or you are going to try to get people to go 3rd party either way i will not waste my time on you.

 

[Drsteveparent]

Steve, I am questioning your truthfulness or at least grasp of the facts. I am giving people the right information as best I can so that we can win the maximum number of delegates possible--and encouragement for the upcoming contests.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128018

This campaign did poorly not because of any posts on some forum but by the failures of the official campaign staff.

Here was my post on a Barr third party thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1387327&postcount=3



You have NOT answered the questions put to you. Please take a look at the wiki I started in your honor. If you were truly interested in clarifying the rules--and were in fact knowledgeable of them, you would work together with the rest of us to win.

The truth is in me telling meetup gropus via phone that each state is different and they must obtain their bylaws and party rule before they try to do anything except register to become a delegate and if i had to write all of this out it will takes months. Perhaps you should just listen to my radio interviews and mdh and melissa should have them for 1 interview was done on their station and in fact after i finished JOEMAC the host of the show QUIT because of their attitudes. You are asking me to spell out in extreme deatil for the people that have not had their meetup group address me directly and i do not have the time to speak to people one on one.

I have given no one incorrect information only advised them after we researched their state and i even told people from CA, NY, and FL do not put much hope in their process because of how it is fixed and i would of told them that in DC but no one from DC ever contacted me but i assure you when we research their states they know exaclty what they can and can't do.

You are asking me to write an article on every state and county which will take months and if you have noticed we have very little time to even register to become delegates.

I thought the grassroots were most of the campaign from what i have seen as far as the Ron Paul campign staff i think we are all in agreement on how they did.

You think Bob Barr is a great guy? Have you looked at his voting record?

 

[Drsteveparent]

Hey, I got your back, don't worry.

Still no response as to how we can unbind CA's delegates when their state convention is after the national convention!

When did i ever suggest that CA would have success in unbinding anything? Or any other state for that matter for all i have stated is that if we have the numbers we control the conventions.


That is the problem Alexander this info can be twisted 16 different ways but when i have i hour or more to explain to meetup groups after our research of their state i and they are very clear on what they can and can't do.

 

[Drsteveparent]

I have never picked on Sandra. And the purpose of this thread is to see whether one should believe Steve or his detractors--one can't believe everything one is told. If anything, Steve started it to pick on me, as the title and OP should suggest clearly.

Bradley when you make public attempts to make people think i am insane and need a straight jacket you deserve to picked on.

I believe i have made everything clear and maybe you people should ask the folks from.

WA, MO, NV, OK, TX, and any other state that i have addressed personally and ask them if the information and education i gave them helped them to succeed in their conventions.

I am sure you would be suprised.

Now as mdh has claimed i suppose i should go and take my daily Thorzine and put my straight jacket back on.

 

[Drsteveparent]

For any of you that have not figured it out my article was written before super tuesday and had it not been for that article most would not have become delegates and we would of had no shot at this nomination.

This is why the article changes after every caucus and primary and it will continue to change as we get closer.

If you want my updated info i suggest you look for the ones that say updated and a date of the update.

I have no more desire to be here and many of you do have a defeatest attitude so i say go ahead and quit but get out of our way.

I will also continue to say this : If you are not part of the solution to bring America back to it's roots then you are part of the PROBLEM.

 

[nc4rp]

myself being totally ignorant before this election, I have learned a great deal from both you guys. BOTH.

its a complicated process, and no one person can know it all, although BOTH have woken up MASSES of people to the process, facts, and details, albeit out of millions of details there will be a few errors.

so just carry on, sort it out as we go, later look back as we all will have learned even more. we've all done the best we can and Dr Paul and teh founders should be proud. we will be able to look back and give an accurate account of where the little errors were and the corrections. overall yall both helped.

theres too many details for one person to know it all.

 

[Aratus]

it looks like the 270 some delegates ALIKE for Mitt Romney and Huckabee
are critical in keeping mcCain from gettin' a voice vote sweeping under
the rug of all party differences that are deepset! These 550 obvious dissenters
from things going monarchistic and status quo!!! john mcCain has a core
of support, yes, but there are reasons why people DID not vote for him
totally. even if the voters couldn't quite pull the lever for Ron Paul in
washington state, the fact that people opted to a 20 percentile for Romney
and his suspended campaign indicates that mcCain is not solidly ensconched
amoungst 50% to 60% or 70% of the REPUBLICAN party people out there!!!

 

[Drsteveparent]

Steve,

No. You are just factually wrong here on both counts. No nominee needs 1191 "hard" delegates (that is not even a term, so I'll give you the benefit of the newbie doubt and think you mean "bound" but even with that benefit of the doubt, you are still simply factually wrong).

McCain (or any nominee) can win the nomination on the first ballot from a majority of any combination of delegates bound or unbound, elected or unelected.

According to the call of the convention you like to claim you understand, it is TOO LATE by a long shot to change the rules binding delegates. The rules had to be finalized before September last year. Changing them now would result in that state losing delegates to the national convention (according to those same by-laws):

Rule No. 15 Election of Delegates and Alternate Delegates
(11) No delegates or alternate delegates shall be selected pursuant to any
Republican Party rule of a state or state law which materially changes the manner of
selecting delegates or alternate delegates or the date upon which such state party holds a
presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a
presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention if such changes
were adopted or made effective after the first Tuesday in September of the year before the
year in which the national convention is to be held.​

No matter how many times you repeat your canard, it is still a load of crap.

Yes you are correct they do not need 1191 only the majority however the fact is that if someone obtains 1191 they can not lose the nomination for at that point the election process is over. If someone does not obtain 1191 and does not receive the majority then a 2nd round of voting takes place and so on and so on until someone obtains the majority 50% plus 1 vote.

Bradley this is where you are wrong : The rule is in changing the electing of delegates based on party rules not the way in which delegates are bound or unbound only the way delegates are selected or voted upon : You are feeding people a load of crap and this is why people keep saying you have been giving them bad advice.

 

[Sandra]

Rule No. 15 Election of Delegates and Alternate Delegates
(11) No delegates or alternate delegates shall be selected pursuant to any
Republican Party rule of a state or state law which materially changes the manner of
selecting delegates or alternate delegates or the date upon which such state party holds a
presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a
presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention if such changes
were adopted or made effective after the first Tuesday in September of the year before the
year in which the national convention is to be held.

I am from a state challenging our caucus for this reason. Yes Parent is correct, this is for electing state delegates at convention. This is the base rule used for the challenge in that the LAGOP changed the way party delegates were held by changing the date of qualifying deadline (that was not submitted to the RNC) and refusing to count valid provisional votes. Another added factor was the caucus was not called according to RNC rules which may invalidate the entire process.

Check out the Louisiana forum.