FLASHBACK: Justin Amash Supported Federally-Funded Transgender Surgeries for Military

[angelatc]

Repairing combat mutilation (even as the wrong sex) is not the same as elective tranny surgery and was not what was being debated.

That's never been how VA health benefits work.

 

[angelatc]

Tranny surgery is NEVER medically necessary.

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The bigger point here is you want politicians which deciding medical treatments are medically necessary, while Amash says we should let the doctors make those decisions.

That makes him right, and you wrong.

 

[donnay]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

 

[juleswin]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

I think the idea is for the doctor and patient be the decision makers rather than some politician in DC.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

Man this is a huge one for me. Who granted doctors ownership of us, and why do they actually think they do? Using extortion tactics they do indeed own us and I'm getting sick of it. They have more power over us than even law enforcement, the courts, or the government. They have the extortion power of life or death over us if we do not comply with their every edict.

 

[donnay]

I think the idea is for the doctor and patient be the decision makers rather than some politician in DC.

Transitioning can be expensive—up to $130,000 per person for numerous body-mutilating and cosmetic procedures over many months (or years) to fashion the body to appear as the opposite sex.

Yet, no matter how skilled the surgeon, or how much money is spent, it is biologically impossible to change a man into a woman or a woman into a man. The change is only cosmetic.

The medical community continues to recommend this radical “treatment” in the absence of scientific evidence that people are better off in the long run. This population attempts suicide at a rate of 40 percent.

Even after the full surgical change, they attempt to end their lives, or tragically succeed.

Over 60 percent of this diverse population suffer from co-existing mental disorders. Consider Bradley Manning (now Chelsea Manning), a former Army soldier who was so psychologically and emotionally unbalanced that he stole confidential documents from the military and forwarded them to WikiLeaks.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07...y-to-pay-for-sex-changes-would-be-disastrous/

 

[donnay]

Man this is a huge one for me. Who granted doctors ownership of us, and why do they actually think they do? Using extortion tactics they do indeed own us and I'm getting sick of it. They have more power over us than even law enforcement, the courts, or the government. They have the extortion power of life or death over us if we do not comply with their every edict.

Exactly. The medical mafia is really much more dangerous to individual liberty.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Exactly. The medical mafia is really much more dangerous to individual liberty.

And because of O-Bro care it has gotten much worse, just try to go find another doctor because you are not happy or want a second opinion concerning something serious. They are either not taking on any new patients or the wait for the first appointment is 3 to 6 months. They know this and absolutely use it to extort you.

This topic would make a good thread in it's self. Bet everyone has a story to share...

 

[Superfluous Man]

A better way to describe this is not that it's federal funding of transgender surgeries, but that it's federal funding of the military. The medical benefits provided to military personnel are part of their compensation package in exchange for their labor and risks. Currently they are allowed to spend this compensation on elective reassignment surgeries. The bill Amash voted against would have banned that when it comes to how they use their medical benefits.

As a thought experiment consider a hypothetical situation where Congress votes on a similar bill, only this version is a ban on allowing military personnel from spending their own money that they got paid for their military service on sex reassignment surgeries. Would a no vote on that still be called supporting federally funded transgender surgeries for the military?

It probably would be better if there were no medical benefits in their compensation packages (or in anyone else's either), and instead the military (and any other employer) just paid its employees more money and left it to them to shop for the insurance of their choice if they wanted. But as it is, including medical insurance in employees' compensation packages is the norm (and indeed, now the law in most cases).

 

[donnay]

And because of O-Bro care it has gotten much worse, just try to go find another doctor because you are not happy or want a second opinion concerning something serious. They are either not taking on any new patients or the wait for the first appointment is 3 to 6 months. They know this and absolutely use it to extort you.

This topic would make a good thread in it's self. Bet everyone has a story to share...

That is exactly how the VA worked--if anyone wants a glimpse of how socialize medicine works all they have to do is ask a veteran. Socialized medicine is a doctor making the decisions for you, Angela is correct on that note.

If you don't accept the treatment they suggest, they will bully and scare you into it.

 

[ATruepatriot]

That is exactly how the VA worked--if anyone wants a glimpse of how socialize medicine works all they have to do is ask a veteran. Socialized medicine is a doctor making the decisions for you, Angela is correct on that note.

If you don't accept the treatment they suggest, they will bully and scare you into it.

It's already that way across the industry now. If you don't do exactly as they dictate they cut off prescriptions threatening your life, make you sign a "refused treatment" form and tell you to not come back even if this might kill you. And if you are caring for an elder or someone mentally disabled and miss an appointment they are not even questioned and are considered expert witnesses when they turn you in to health and human services at will for neglect or abuse just because you just could not make an appointment. Then health and human services invades your home and violates your rights all just because you were unable to make a scheduled appointment. Failure to make just one doctor's appointment is deemed as automatic neglect or abuse at the doctor's discretion. And none of them care why you couldn't make the appointment even if you had a very good reason and it was just absolutely impossible. They have far too much power and authority over the individual and even caretakers. They have the power of life, death. or even criminal charges for the caregivers. Been there.

 

[donnay]

It's already that way across the industry now. If you don't do exactly as they dictate they cut off prescriptions threatening your life, make you sign a "refused treatment" form and tell you to not come back even if this might kill you. And if you are caring for an elder or someone mentally disabled and miss an appointment they are not even questioned and are considered expert witnesses when they turn you in to health and human services at will for neglect or abuse just because you just could not make an appointment. Then health and human services invades your home and violates your rights all just because you were unable to make a scheduled appointment. Failure to make just one doctor's appointment is deemed as automatic neglect or abuse at the doctor's discretion. And none of them care why you couldn't make the appointment even if you had a very good reason and it was just absolutely impossible. They have far too much power and authority over the individual and even caretakers. They have the power of life, death. or even criminal charges for the caregivers. Been there.

They are the medical mafia, no doubt. That is why I speak out against it all the time. You cannot be free and uninformed. I am for Informed Consent and a free market.

 

[ATruepatriot]

They are the medical mafia, no doubt. That is why I speak out against it all the time. You cannot be free and uninformed. I am for Informed Consent and a free market.

It is absolutely horrendous. I have four kids in the medical field so I have an inside track on the real mess it has now become. You would just not believe some of what they see and share. The current system is criminal.

 

[donnay]

It is absolutely horrendous. I have four kids in the medical field so I have an inside track on the real mess it has now become. You would just not believe some of what they see and share. The current system is criminal.

I truly feel for them. It is criminal no doubt. What they are doing to children and the elderly breaks my heart. Breaking up families is a real bone of contention for me.

 

[ATruepatriot]

I truly feel for them. It is criminal no doubt. What they are doing to children and the elderly breaks my heart. Breaking up families is a real bone of contention for me.

They own the children and elderly as agents for the state who automatically own them as wards of the state. And just like a law enforcement officer, a doctor's discretion is never questioned and absolute. But a law enforcement officer is required to provide some proof and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. A doctor does not, They can just assume the cause of a bump on the head any way they like without proof or evidence and you are automatically guilty just because they think so even if they are wrong.

 

[donnay]

They own the children and elderly as agents for the state who automatically own them as wards of the state. And just like a law enforcement officer, a doctor's discretion is never questioned and absolute. But a law enforcement officer is required to provide some proof and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. A doctor does not, They can just assume the cause of a bump on the head any way they like without proof or evidence and you are automatically guilty just because they think so even if they are wrong.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Yep... I'm hip to it. And I don't know if it is true or not... But my SS card is old enough to have that second asset number on it if the conspiracy is true.

 

[donnay]

Yep... I'm hip to it. And I don't know if it is true or not... But my SS card is old enough to have that second asset number on it if the conspiracy is true.

My mother's SS card (on the back) said it was not to be used for identification and it was voluntary.

 

[ATruepatriot]

My mother's SS card (on the back) said it was not to be used for identification and it was voluntary.

Mine doesn't say that but it does have a second different number on the back that some claim is my collateral property asset number. I know they stopped using that second number after I got mine. I only had to get mine to legally go to work when I was 14.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's never been how VA health benefits work.

Any soldier mutilated in combat will be repaired, that has nothing to do with Federally funding elective tranny surgery.

The bigger point here is you want politicians which deciding medical treatments are medically necessary, while Amash says we should let the doctors make those decisions.

That makes him right, and you wrong.

The bigger point here is that Trans is insanity and it isn't possible for tranny surgery to be medically necessary and my tax dollars shouldn't be paying for insane people to mutilate themselves.

That make me right and Amash wrong.

It is a gross insult to my intelligence for you or Amash to pretend that tranny surgery could ever be medically necessary.