Feds Want To Lower Legal Blood Alcohol Limit for Drivers

[Christian Liberty]

Congratulations. You're another one that has led us on the slippery slope towards zero tolerance.

I may be wrong here, but there are alternatives in between "Zero tolerance, throw any drunk driver into prison for life" and "Let anyone drive with any amount of alcohol they want in their system."

If the state is going to own something, even if they shouldn't, they've got to manage it. I think that includes keeping exceptionally dangerous drivers off the road. That does not mean that I want to throw anyone who has a glass of wine before driving into prison for the rest of their life.

I remember seeing someone who had his THIRD conviction for drunk driving, and while I don't know what happened the first two times, the third time he permanently crippled someone. Someone who is that stupid and inconsiderate is an example of someone who really should go away for life, if not outright executed for murder.

Do I support that for every run of the mill drunk driver? Of course not. Heck, if you're doing it and you really aren't endangering anyone, they shouldn't have any reason to check you. Unfortunately, they will, but they shouldn't be allowed to make random stops.

But if you're driving recklessly, especially multiple counts thereof, and you were stupid enough to get drunk on alcohol and then drive (Something you could totally choose not to do) and that leads to somebody getting hurt, I absolutely find you FULLY accountable. What otherwise might have been a manslaughter charge in an honest mistake should absolutely be charged as murder.

This is programming speaking...........Fight it!

Oh, always

 

[Christian Liberty]

Educate yourself, with firsthand knowledge..

Use a friend or family member and some series of mutually agreed on tests..

But for Gods sake do not take the word of those with an agenda!

Yeah, that's also true. The bottom line is that I really have no idea how much is dangerous and how much isn't. Nor do I really want to experiment with my life considering I can't even drive well when I'm sober.

Fifteen percent of adult drivers admitted to driving drunk once in the last month. Ten thousand people die annually. There are people that drive drunk regularly. (a few times a week, if not daily) That should tell you how dangerous it is. I am not saying drink a bottle and go out driving, but on that same coin you aren't going to die if you have a few drinks and drive home. After the first few times of 'driving under the influence' you'll get the hang of it. Cruise control was my best friend considering I already have a lead foot and when I'm drinking I start to speed. Nothing ridiculous, but I would get pulled over for the 7-10 over I was doing and arrested.

Ridiculous law is ridiculous. The entire city drinks and drives. When it's as gray and wet as it is, the bars do quite well. People just don't want to think about it.

The speed limits laws are the ones I can truly find ridiculous. I can understand it in a residential area, but on the highways its just silly, and the laws on Long Island are insanely silly. I know the interstates were designed to run speeds of 90+, but on the LIE the speed limit is 55.

If the only thing you were doing "Wrong" was driving safely over the speed limit, I don't think you should have even been checked. But then, I'm not going to get my way, the supporters of absolute state control will...

 

[Smart3]

I'm strictly anti-alcohol, so I'm ok with strict punishments for drunk driving, but the blood alcohol limit concept is ridiculous.

If the person is OBVIOUSLY drunk, escort them back to their house and fine the shit out of them.

 

[phill4paul]

The speed limits laws are the ones I can truly find ridiculous. I can understand it in a residential area, but on the highways its just silly, and the laws on Long Island are insanely silly. I know the interstates were designed to run speeds of 90+, but on the LIE the speed limit is 55 ( on a LIE intoxication levels are going to .05 possibly zero).

If the only thing you were doing "Wrong" was driving safely over the speed limit (the only thing you were doing wrong was driving safely while drinking) , I don't think you should have even been checked. But then, I'm not going to get my way, the supporters of absolute state control will...

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

 

[AFPVet]

It should still be .10 BAC. The same people who are more prone to cause alcohol related crashes are going to do it regardless if it's .10, .08, or .05. Some people just can't handle alcohol or any intoxicants well.

According to my state, even though we are a .08 state, officers 'can' still arrest for .05 if the driver exhibits obvious signs of intoxication. Meanwhile, .08 and above is 'shall arrest'. Just more stupidity.

 

[Working Poor]

Over a 100,000 people a year die from drugs that have death as a known side effect and medical error
when is the medical industrial complex going to be policed?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Over a 100,000 people a year die from drugs that have death as a known side effect and medical error
when is the medical industrial complex going to be policed?

While I agree the medical industrial complex is a problem, I think the solution is less regulation, not more, and at leat taking drugs is an individual decision. You don't necessarily have control over being killed by a drunk driver (And saying "Don't drive" is just insane.)

 

[Michigan11]

This is absolutely stupid to even consider. It's best to stay armed today at all times people.

Perspective people, we are being boiled in a pot, and alot of us are aware we are being cooked for dinner. Take away the fun of freedom, and people become very boring, cleansed with bleach like a hospital. Walls are white, lights are dim, people are watchful for those they see as strange. Strange behaviors are not what they were, an outburst of emotion, an outburst of rage, "I can't take it anymore here motha******'s". The bleached society seeks to choke another motha******.

A civil kind bunch we find today, hell bent on becoming their own mom's reflection, with no abrupt thought or emotion. Cut it all off.

Say no to Bleech.

In fact its not enough to say no, say yes to traveling with guns in your vehicle at all times. If the bac were to be lowered to an unreasonable level such as mouthwash .05, then you and I are under threat and should view any traffic stop as a threat, and should be armed at all times, once this is passed.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Over a 100,000 people a year die from drugs that have death as a known side effect and medical error
when is the medical industrial complex going to be policed?

Yeah, but big Pharma can afford to bribe congress, the FDA, etc.

 

[DamianTV]

Yeah, but big Pharma can afford to bribe congress, the FDA, etc.

Too bad so many of us can barely afford to pay the fines for even the slightest infraction of anything. But throw anything alcohol into the legal mixer, and you'll be deprived of your ability to get back to work (when the driver is not drunk, of course).

Counterproductivity at its finest.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Fired Trooper Accused of Faked DUIs

Supposedly, this is quite common. There's one in every department as some say. Supervisors actually tell them to quit issuing the questionable DUIs.

 

[Christian Liberty]

In fact its not enough to say no, say yes to traveling with guns in your vehicle at all times. If the bac were to be lowered to an unreasonable level such as mouthwash .05, then you and I are under threat and should view any traffic stop as a threat, and should be armed at all times, once this is passed.

Does mouthwash actualy cause a BaC?

That I did not know.

 

[Michigan11]

Does mouthwash actualy cause a BaC?

That I did not know.

Yes it does I have talked to those that have those bac state readers in their vehicles and they even have to use non alcoholic shampoo

 

[DamianTV]

There are a LOT of things that trigger False Positives in BAC tests. Smoking. Mouthwash. Painting (spray cans, car paint, etc). Shampoo (as it has already been mentioned). Cologne. All excuses for the system to rake you over the coals and make you throw a bunch of money at their Lawyer buddies.

Guilty Until Proven Innocent.

 

[Brett85]

It's already that way. One to two drinks isn't that much more radical than two to three drinks. (as it is now) Just to clarify.

I believe you have stated that you are in favor of highering the legal limit, just that you don't want there to be no limit?

Not necessarily. I've just said that I'm opposed to the checkpoints that stop everyone on the road to look for drunk drivers. I'm not opposed to simply having a law with a .08 legal limit, but I do sometimes disagree with the way that these laws are enforced, such as the checkpoints.

 

[tod evans]

There are a LOT of things that trigger False Positives in BAC tests. Smoking. Mouthwash. Painting (spray cans, car paint, etc). Shampoo (as it has already been mentioned). Cologne. All excuses for the system to rake you over the coals and make you throw a bunch of money at their Lawyer buddies.

Guilty Until Proven Innocent.

I've pumped over 6gal of lacquer based VOC's into the atmosphere in the last 4 days....Pretty sure I'd test positive even though I haven't drank alcohol in a couple of months..

 

[Michigan11]

The key here is that by having such a low bac, an altoid, mouthwash, many things we take for granted could become an issue that creates a false read. When you put such a small thin line between jail/lawyer/money and a driver, it is clearly not for safety reasons, it's to get your ass into the system, have a reason to pull you out of your car, since at .05 you most likely won't have a smell of alcohol on you either, helllllllo.

It will be safer to just not drive around, and from what I have noticed, the crowds that do still go out, are dwindling down, and the public streets of mainstreet are becoming ever more quieter.

 

[tod evans]

It will be safer to just not drive around, and from what I have noticed, the crowds that do still go out, are dwindling down, and the public streets of mainstreet are becoming ever more quieter.

Much easier to maintain control when neighbors don't interact and are suspicious of each-other....

 

[Michigan11]

Much easier to maintain control when neighbors don't interact and are suspicious of each-other....

That is it too. I go out a few times a week at most as of present, and it's a mix, sometimes out to the bars, but often to friends homes. Maybe it's the economy, but I am pretty damn sure its because few want to go to a smokeless entity or drive risking their life doing it with the cops everywhere now.

That's why I still enjoy the casino atmosphere, go there and gamble and drink like it's water, smoke like your a factory, and they treat you like kings, the patrons seem more real and you get your hotel stay for the night comped. It's a strange place today, many younger people in their 20's frown upon alcohol as well, and rathe smoke weed, which I don't mind, but why is drinking frowned upon?

Interesting times for sure.

 

[phill4paul]

Not necessarily. I've just said that I'm opposed to the checkpoints that stop everyone on the road to look for drunk drivers. I'm not opposed to simply having a law with a .08 legal limit, but I do sometimes disagree with the way that these laws are enforced, such as the checkpoints.

Thanks again. May you lose the ability to even enjoy a glass of wine while eating out. At this point I'm for mandatory .001 ignition locks on ALL vehicles. Why take half measures?