Feds Want To Lower Legal Blood Alcohol Limit for Drivers

[Brett85]

I support drunk driving laws but don't think that the legal limit should be lowered. As others have said, lowering the limit could turn people into criminals who simply had a drink or two after work and drove home.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Yep, bullshit pushed by prohibitions and the MSM. Oh how the MSM love their "Famous Person X just got a DUI, their mugshot coming up next!".

They include all manner of drugs in the stats too beyond other manipulations.

The truth is closer to 10% of all highway fatalities are CAUSED by drunk drivers. This isn't good, but let's at least put the issue in perspective. Our government and certain self serving "non-profit" organizations have exaggerated this problem beyond any sense of reality to promote an agenda that eliminates basic individual rights, undermines our system of due process and heaps onerous penalties on people who have not injured anyone and may not have met any reasonable standard of "impairment."

So where do the numbers that we hear being repeated time after time come from? The "government speak" term is "alcohol-related." This term was created to deliberately mislead and confuse the general public about the magnitude of the drunk-driving problem. When you hear some "expert" state that 40 or 50 percent of all fatal accidents are "alcohol related," the intention is to make you believe that drunk drivers are responsible for causing all these fatalities. This is pure propaganda.

The federal government defines an alcohol-related fatal traffic accident as an accident where someone died and a person involved in the accident had some measurable amount of alcohol in his or her system. For example, a sober driver hits a pedestrian who has been drinking, even modestly. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A sober driver rear-ends a driver that has had something to drink. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. A man has a drink before committing suicide in his vehicle. That's an alcohol-related accident. A driver has a single drink and is involved in a fatal accident that he did not cause. That's considered an alcohol-related accident. Do these sound like "drunk-driver-caused" accidents to you? That's what the government and the anti-drinking organizations would like you to believe.

In all motor vehicle accidents, where a driver is given a traffic ticket, or is arrested, only 7 % involve an alcohol-related violation. This number is far more indicative of the "drunk driver" problem.


http://www.motorists.org/dui/myths

 

[supermario21]

I look at alcohol like guns in a way. Increase penalties when crimes are committed, especially when lethal, but this is nothing but a revenue grab and an attack on those of us who are small who will no longer be able to have anything more than a small glass of wine at a restaurant without fear of getting a DUI.

 

[phill4paul]

I support drunk driving laws but don't think that the legal limit should be lowered. As others have said, lowering the limit could turn people into criminals who simply had a drink or two after work and drove home.

Congratulations. This "slippery slope" was started by individuals such as yourself.

 

[phill4paul]

I look at alcohol like guns in a way. Increase penalties when crimes are committed, especially when lethal, but this is nothing but a revenue grab and an attack on those of us who are small who will no longer be able to have anything more than a small glass of wine at a restaurant without fear of getting a DUI.

My heart weeps. Did you think they wouldn't work their way down to you?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Congratulations. This "slippery slope" was started by individuals such as yourself.

Yup, too late to put that genie back in the bottle, not without radical and sweeping changes.

Doom on us is fucking right...

Brought down on our heads by the "social justice" types of the left and the "law and order" types on the right.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I support drunk driving laws but don't think that the legal limit should be lowered. As others have said, lowering the limit could turn people into criminals who simply had a drink or two after work and drove home.

It's already that way. One to two drinks isn't that much more radical than two to three drinks. (as it is now) Just to clarify.

I believe you have stated that you are in favor of highering the legal limit, just that you don't want there to be no limit?

 

[Anti Federalist]

It IS about compliance. This is a petty tyrants prohibitionist agenda. No doubt.

However, there IS big money in this game. We are talking in excess 1.5 MILLION DUI arrests per yer nationwide. The revenue is in the Billions. Add onto that the entire prison and mandatory psycho-babble rehabilitation industry, ignition locks, insurance then we are talking about a revenue generating monster.

Doom on us.

Valid points, when you look at the number of arrests and all the associated, peripheral tyranny.

Doom, indeed...SMMFH

You watch, the neo-prohibitionists will latch onto this like bottom feeding suction eels.

This will be the "law of the land" in five years.

Global Compliance.

 

[Lucille]

You're both right depending on who you talk to and where the motivation is coming from.

For the lowly legislator, they are probably thinking in terms of dollars and their $X million/billion budget shortfall.

For the propaganda machine that prepared this entire issue to be presented to the public, AF is correct.

Yup. It's both.

Valid points, when you look at the number of arrests and all the associated, peripheral tyranny.

Doom, indeed...SMMFH

You watch, the neo-prohibitionists will latch onto this like bottom feeding suction eels.

This will be the "law of the land" in five years.

Global Compliance.

I fully expect it to become "law" too.

 

[Peace Piper]

Seriously, not bragging or anything, I've driven off of a fifth of liqour. Rolling blunts as I drove all over the state.

I've never had an accident by the way. My tickets are all because of perjerous pigs. (driving through certain neighborhoods)

Someone else that can roll and drive! The Knee is the Key.
It's a damn requirement if one is driving across Nevada or some such place FFS.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How low can you go when you're a prohibitionist?

For the neo-prohibitionists, full prohibition is the goal. Expansion of the war on drugs. Add home brewing and wine making to the laundry list of excuses for a military assault on your home in the middle of the night.

 

[phill4paul]

Valid points, when you look at the number of arrests and all the associated, peripheral tyranny.

Doom, indeed...SMMFH

You watch, the neo-prohibitionists will latch onto this like bottom feeding suction eels.

This will be the "law of the land" in five years.

Global Compliance.

Of that I have no doubt. It is always, and simply, about getting a foot in the door. Once that barrier has been breached then it is only a matter of time.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Of that I have no doubt. It is always, and simply, about getting a foot in the door. Once that barrier has been breached then it is only a matter of time.

Yup, everything but the camel's ass is in a whole bunch of tents now.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Someone else that can roll and drive! The Knee is the Key.
It's a damn requirement if one is driving across Nevada or some such place FFS.

LOL, try cutting a line like that...

 

[pcosmar]

Yup, everything but the camel's ass is in a whole bunch of tents now.

I don't know.
Seems you can't take a step anywhere without stepping in some shit.

 

[The Free Hornet]

It's already that way. One to two drinks isn't that much more radical than two to three drinks. (as it is now) Just to clarify.

I believe you have stated that you are in favor of highering the legal limit, just that you don't want there to be no limit?

If I *had* to put on the statist hat...

under 18, should be under .08 ($200) (.02 if at-fault accident is caused)
18-21, should be under .10 ($300) (.05 if at-fault accident is caused)
21+, should be under .12 ($400) (.08 if at-fault accident is caused)

Penaltywise (using today's dollars)
.13-.14 ($500 - no bullshit, except what insurance does, point)
.14-.15 ($700 - driving class, points)
.15-.17 ($1000 - driving classes, mucho points)
.17-.20 ($2000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, under 18 get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.20-.25 ($3000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, under 21 get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.25-.30 ($4000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.30-.99 ($5000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, get taken to hospital/clinic then jail or morgue, bill family for inconvenience)

Edit: breathalyzers inadmissable unless accompanied with videotaped and signed confession. One purpose of the hospital/clinic visit is to get an honest blood sample. All charged should have the right for an attorney to receive an additional sample for independent testing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know.
Seems you can't take a step anywhere without stepping in some shit.

LOL - No kidding.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

If I *had* to put on the statist hat...

under 18, should be under .08 ($200) (.02 if at-fault accident is caused)
18-21, should be under .10 ($300) (.05 if at-fault accident is caused)
21+, should be under .12 ($400) (.08 if at-fault accident is caused)

Penaltywise (using today's dollars)
.13-.14 ($500 - no bullshit, except what insurance does, point)
.14-.15 ($700 - driving class, points)
.15-.17 ($1000 - driving classes, mucho points)
.17-.20 ($2000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, under 18 get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.20-.25 ($3000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, under 21 get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.25-.30 ($4000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, get taken to hospital/clinic then jail)
.30-.99 ($5000 - deal with lots of bullshit, loss of license, get taken to hospital/clinic then jail or morgue, bill family for inconvenience)

A little too steep for my liking. Unless I could take a driving course lit and whatever limit I could pass at would be the limit my fines start.

When I was first starting driving, temp permit, had to have an adult in the car with me, I went to a party. I drank a good portion of a fifth of Jack. Over half, easily, and was smoking all night. Had fun but I get antsy when I've been drinking. Nothing like sleeping in your own bed. Or in this case, I had a bad case of the drunken munchies. So anyways, my ride came and picked me up and being at that age you always want to drive. So sure enough I am allowed to drive, I somehow convinced my mom I had not been drinking though my eyes probably looked like stop signs. I am a relatively normal person when drunk, I just get talkative. Anyways, I'm driving down 172, a historic highway and the busiest road in town at 2 A.M. Not only that, I'm driving through one of the most stuck up suburbs in the state, where I had had run ins with quite of a few of their pigs. Sure enough, a cop ends up beside me. We go on for miles matching speeds, literally right next to each other when no one else was on the road. I got a reputation as being the designated drunk driver.

I've made it home a hundred miles away in snowstorms you couldn't even imagine. We actually said our goodbyes on that one, not because I was particularly drunk or ate about ten bars, but because you literally could not see a foot in front of your car. People were crashing into the barriers at 15 MPH. Never had a problem. If people literally knew how everyone I know drives, they'd see the ridiculousness in .08. Because of the laws now, I'd never do it. As a kid and not giving a shit, probably 300 days a year I was over the limit and I smoked like a chimney. My tickets and bullshit court appearances were because I was driving in a high crime area. They thought I had drugs. They were so damn sure of it that a literal 20-30 cop cars showed up. Drug dogs and paddy wagons. They were pissed to only find a couple weed seeds. So they beat up a buddy, planted some evidence on him, (a baggy) and gave me a few tickets. A male pig groped my gf as well. One day I wasn't drunk or stoned and I get fucked with. That's pretty much life.

 

[tod evans]

What a mess we're leaving our kids...

What a mess we're letting others make for us.

As cruel as it is I sincerely hope that everyone who supports the current drunk driving has a close family member arrested and locked up, more than once..

There's absolutely nothing like the voice of experience to change ones mind..

 

[NERVE]

Wow, it's already ridiculously low. Most people don't realize that depending on how fast you drink you can easily hit a .08 blood alcohol level with only two beers. Especially with some of micro brews they have now. Ilast time they lowered the limit i remember a lot of states didn't want to go along with it then until the federal government threatened to take away the money for roads.