FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[PAF]

Two wrongs don't make a right. And though different circumstances and non-related, I was sitting here thinking how ironic it is:

January 17, 2018 - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he signed into law a bill renewing the National Security Agency’s Warrantless Internet Surveillance Program, sealing a defeat for digital privacy advocates. The legislation renews and extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program. The program also incidentally scoops up Americans’ communications, including when they communicate with a foreign target living overseas, and can search those messages without a warrant.

 

[acptulsa]

Were you asleep for 4 years? Do I seriously need to answer this question?

Hoaxes by the day. Investigation after investigation. Special counsels. Activist judges and DAs. Constant process crimes and obstruction of justice charges (and others) looming over his head. Literally tens of thousands of entrenched bureaucrats all with aligned self-preservation interests intent on slow-rolling and throwing wrenches in any way they could. The total and complete weaponization of every agency, system and process against the Orange Man. His own political party working against his interests.

Trump is a lot of things, but I'm sure he did not want to end up dead or in prison.

That's an awfully long winded way of saying, yes, blackmail purposes.

Careful, you are signaling strong levels of TDS here.

I have plenty of complaints when it comes to Trump, but some of you around here are so triggered by the man, you can't even recognize obvious truths right in front of you.

If that's a symptom of TDS, and you really think that's a bad thing, you might exercise a little care yourself.

 

[ClaytonB]

The Supreme Court's original jurisdiction is limited to cases affecting "ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party". It wouldn't extend to a criminal case against Trump. The case would start in a lower court and would undoubtedly be appealed to SCOTUS.

Moreover, how does a separation-of-powers issue even arise? Trump was not President when he concealed the material. He had no legal authority to possess it, and he wasn't part of the Executive Branch at the time. He was a private citizen.

Look, this pollyannaish discussion that is emanating from the MSM and its bots is tiresome. If you cannot understand that there is a categorical difference between POTUS (including ex-POTUS) and all other Federal officials, there are no words I can write here that are going to help you. When Trump became President, he became the sole embodiment of the executive power of the United States government, whether you like to think about that or not. That includes not only sole executive discretion over the US military, but also sole executive discretion over the classification of materials. The idea that you are going to "raid" an ex-POTUS's house in search of mis-handled classified materials is ... ludicrous. However, if that's the absurdity that the Deep Clown State sincerely wants, then we can serve that absurdity up on tap. Be careful what you wish for...

 

[ClaytonB]

I have plenty of complaints when it comes to Trump, but some of you around here are so triggered by the man, you can't even recognize obvious truths right in front of you.

It's truly amazing, isn't it. Almost like Trump himself is the PSYOP and those with TDS-tendencies are the target. I can acknowledge the possibility that Trump might not be what he appears to be, that he might secretly be working for some bad end. That's certainly possible. But those with TDS or borderline-TDS are literally incapable of granting the opposite. To them, it is axiomatically, definitionally impossible that Trump could be a good guy. They are incapable of reasoning about the broader significance of Trump, why his supporters support him, why the MAGA movement is so powerful, etc. They become instantly obsessed with Trump-the-man and any mention of him evokes involuntary acid-reflux and spraying venom. Anyone who does not join them in spraying venom is definitionally a Trump-worshiper and believes that Trump is the Second Coming of Jesus. It's like, wow, seriously, are you really so invested in this issue that you are incapable of dispassionate objectivity? This is how people act who have skin in the game. I don't have any skin in the game. If Trump were to turn out to have secretly been the Antichrist all along, I would be surprised and disappointed but I would not be existentially undone. Maybe some MAGA-heads would be, but I'm not a MAGA-head, I'm not a Trumper. I seriously don't get this mentality...

 

[acptulsa]

Me: Good guys don't give hundreds of billions to Big Pharma to develop poisons, create entire new departments and branches of the military, and conspire with Pelosi to suspend the Constitution.

Seemingly otherwise sane people who claim they don't even like Trump:

But those with TDS or borderline-TDS are literally incapable of granting the opposite. To them, it is axiomatically, definitionally impossible that Trump could be a good guy.

 

[acptulsa]

So I define "person who rapes the economy, tries to deprive us all of the Constitutional protection of our God-given rights, and fund things that directly lead to the deaths of people I loved" as a bad guy. If you have a different definition, run with it. But are you people really incapable of respecting my definition?

"If you believe Massie over me (Trump has never once denied it) or believe your own eyes over my denials, you're deranged." Well, I guess I can't talk. If I won't respect your definition of "deranged", I guess I shouldn't expect you to respect my definition of "bad guy". So, whatever.

 

[ClaytonB]

So I define "person who rapes the economy, tries to deprive us all of the Constitutional protection of our God-given rights, and fund things that directly lead to the deaths of people I loved" as a bad guy. If you have a different definition, run with it. But are you people really incapable of respecting my definition?

"If you believe Massie over me (Trump has never once denied it) or believe your own eyes over my denials, you're deranged." Well, I guess I can't talk. If I won't respect your definition of "deranged", I guess I shouldn't expect you to respect my definition of "bad guy". So, whatever.

I will grant that the bad things that Trump did are bad. You won't get any argument from me on that. And as annoying as the statists are when they make the inevitability argument -- "The State exists whether you like it or not, you can't change it anyway, so it's like you're arguing against gravity" -- they are right that the State cannot be changed overnight. I don't know all the choices facing Trump when he was in office, and maybe he should have made different choices, but I do know that his choices were not unconstrained... he did not have unilateral power to just do whatever he wanted. While the Executive and Legislative are nominally independent, Congress has effectively tied the hands of POTUS over the past century by creating all of these agencies which can only be indirectly controlled by POTUS through very narrowly defined channels over which the Swamp has complete control. So, POTUS has the "theoretical" power to wield the power of the executive as he sees fit, but all of his specific powers have been defined by the Swamp and are controlled by the Swamp.

The Swamp never feared that Trump would "abolish the Department of _____". They fear and hate him because they cannot control his tongue. He will not stick to the approved script, and he shines the spotlight on anyone that he sees as out-of-line, whether they are a darling of the Swamp or not. For these and many similar "crimes", the Swamp hates Trump with the fury of a thousand nuclear bombs. Which goes to show the true nature of the political problem of DC. It's not merely an organizational/administrative problem, as though we just need to get somebody into office who will make the right decisions for a while, and the ship will be righted. No, the ship has been engineered with the precision of a Swiss watch to be un-rightable. I think that Trump understands that, and I think that's why he hits the Swamp where it actually hurts: in the infosphere. They only want to fight on their rigged battlefield, that is, the DC swamp. There, they have a million weapons at their disposal to negate and nullify any sincere attempt to dethrone them. But they don't yet have complete airtight control over the infosphere. Trump's refusal to fight them on their own terms is why they hate him more than anyone has ever hated anything...

 

[acptulsa]

I will grant that the bad things that Trump did are bad. You won't get any argument from me on that. And as annoying as the statists are when they make the inevitability argument -- "The State exists whether you like it or not, you can't change it anyway, so it's like you're arguing against gravity" -- they are right that the State cannot be changed overnight. I don't know all the choices facing Trump when he was in office, and maybe he should have made different choices, but I do know that his choices were not unconstrained... he did not have unilateral power to just do whatever he wanted.

He didn't have to call Massie and tell him to let Pelosi suspend the Constitution. He didn't have to badmouth Massie when he didn't obey.

No bureaucrat could "constrain" him into doing that. At least, not without holding blackmail material over his head.

He will not stick to the approved script...

Wake me when he says not to take the jab.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[PAF]

So I define "person who rapes the economy, tries to deprive us all of the Constitutional protection of our God-given rights, and fund things that directly lead to the deaths of people I loved" as a bad guy. If you have a different definition, run with it. But are you people really incapable of respecting my definition?

"If you believe Massie over me (Trump has never once denied it) or believe your own eyes over my denials, you're deranged." Well, I guess I can't talk. If I won't respect your definition of "deranged", I guess I shouldn't expect you to respect my definition of "bad guy". So, whatever.

Amazing the lengths people will go to, to try to analyze, defend and make excuses. Had Obummer done just half, you bet your a$$ they'd run him through the rake.

And yet this guy is still talked about every single day in the "newz" (except not a thing about his actual record) and is more popular than before the primaries in 2015. Signs up everywhere "Make America Great Again".

Just. Simply. Amazing. Twilight Zone.

 

[TheTexan]

Amazing the lengths people will go to, to try to analyze, defend and make excuses. Had Obummer done just half, you bet your a$$ they'd run him through the rake.

And yet this guy is still talked about every single day in the "newz" (except not a thing about his actual record) and is more popular than before the primaries in 2015. Signs up everywhere "Make America Great Again".

Just. Simply. Amazing. Twilight Zone.

Trump wouldn't have received the hate that he did, if he wasn't over the target.

The target in this case I think was less ideological, and more cultural.

Trump represented a return to cultural normalcy, where its again ok to joke about grabbing women by the pussy. A culture where it's OK to not give a shit about being PC.

Ideology is important but so is culture and he helped return some sanity in that regard.

 

[PAF]

Trump wouldn't have received the hate that he did, if he wasn't over the target.

The target in this case I think was less ideological, and more cultural.

Trump represented a return to cultural normalcy, where its again ok to joke about grabbing women by the pussy. A culture where it's OK to not give a $#@! about being PC.

Ideology is important but so is culture and he helped return some sanity in that regard.

1. NEVER fund the enemy. Ever. Never ever.

2. While joking about grabbing women by the pussy passes 1stA muster, and it should, "with liberty comes responsibility".

The condition he set this country up for Biden was deplorable. It was NOT a good compromise or exchange. My take is that behind closed doors, "he" knew that Biden would take over where he left off. And golly gee.

 

[ClaytonB]

cultural normalcy, where its again ok to joke about grabbing women by the pussy

Yeah, no. Trump expressed regret over that and it's definitely one of the most solid punches that the Swamp got in on him. Locker-room talk belongs in the locker-room and it's never going to attain the status of "cultural normalcy", nor should it. But cultural normalcy in terms of men have penises and women have vaginas... well yeah, that's exactly what Trump represents and it's exactly why the Swamp's infernal horde of NPC/SJW's will die to a man-woman-thing before Trump ever again darkens the door of the White House.

 

[Dr.3D]

Trump wouldn't have received the hate that he did, if he wasn't over the target.

Could the big target they are trying to protect, be the Globalist agenda of Build Back Better?

I've noticed that slogan being used in the Netherlands too.

 

[TheTexan]

Locker-room talk belongs in the locker-room

Point was, our opponents don't want locker-room talk anywhere. If you're caught even mumbling it to yourself in your own home and Alexa hears it, you're done for.

I still think positively of Trump for saying that, so that "solid punch" maybe was not so solid as you think.

 

[acptulsa]

Amazing the lengths people will go to, to try to analyze, defend and make excuses. Had Obummer done just half, you bet your a$$ they'd run him through the rake.

And yet this guy is still talked about every single day in the "newz" (except not a thing about his actual record) and is more popular than before the primaries in 2015. Signs up everywhere "Make America Great Again".

Just. Simply. Amazing. Twilight Zone.

I'm just amazed that people can't seem to figure out they wouldn't have to do anywhere near as much of this...

...if they didn't put so much effort into this:

It's truly amazing, isn't it. Almost like Trump himself is the PSYOP and those with TDS-tendencies are the target. I can acknowledge the possibility that Trump might not be what he appears to be, that he might secretly be working for some bad end. That's certainly possible. But those with TDS or borderline-TDS are literally incapable of granting the opposite. To them, it is axiomatically, definitionally impossible that Trump could be a good guy. They are incapable of reasoning about the broader significance of Trump, why his supporters support him, why the MAGA movement is so powerful, etc. They become instantly obsessed with Trump-the-man and any mention of him evokes involuntary acid-reflux and spraying venom. Anyone who does not join them in spraying venom is definitionally a Trump-worshiper and believes that Trump is the Second Coming of Jesus. It's like, wow, seriously, are you really so invested in this issue that you are incapable of dispassionate objectivity? This is how people act who have skin in the game. I don't have any skin in the game. If Trump were to turn out to have secretly been the Antichrist all along, I would be surprised and disappointed but I would not be existentially undone. Maybe some MAGA-heads would be, but I'm not a MAGA-head, I'm not a Trumper. I seriously don't get this mentality...

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Look, this pollyannaish discussion that is emanating from the MSM and its bots is tiresome. If you cannot understand that there is a categorical difference between POTUS (including ex-POTUS) and all other Federal officials, there are no words I can write here that are going to help you. When Trump became President, he became the sole embodiment of the executive power of the United States government, whether you like to think about that or not. That includes not only sole executive discretion over the US military, but also sole executive discretion over the classification of materials. The idea that you are going to "raid" an ex-POTUS's house in search of mis-handled classified materials is ... ludicrous. However, if that's the absurdity that the Deep Clown State sincerely wants, then we can serve that absurdity up on tap. Be careful what you wish for...

I've already debunked your claim that Trump has some sort of lifetime security clearance. He doesn't.

I'm not denying Trump had the authority to declassify materials while in office. But I don't believe he ever declassified all the stuff he took with him, and I'm sure as hell not going to take his word for it. Good grief, if he ever had said," I'm declassifying the stuff that's in these boxes" don't you think someone in the White House staff would have documented that decision by reducing it to writing as required by the Presidential Records Act (a requirement you continue to ignore)?

Or maybe you think it's no big deal that Trump took government materials with him without telling the Archives or anyone in the incoming administration and kept them for over a year without returning any of them. Ex-Presidents have no such prerogative.

The idea that you are going to "raid" an ex-POTUS's house in search of mis-handled classified materials is ... ludicrous.

How do you know? Have you read the affidavit supporting the warrant? Do you know what's in the boxes that were retrieved when the warrant was executed? Maybe it was overreach. Maybe the affidavit will prove to have been insufficient. But you don't yet have the necessary information to claim that executing the warrant was ludicrous, especially given Trump's foot-dragging and especially if it's true that, as reported, one of his attorneys sent a letter in June saying there were no more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

 

[ClaytonB]

Point was, our opponents don't want locker-room talk anywhere. If you're caught even mumbling it to yourself in your own home and Alexa hears it, you're done for.

I still think positively of Trump for saying that, so that "solid punch" maybe was not so solid as you think.

Point-taken.

 

[ClaytonB]

I've already debunked your claim that Trump has some sort of lifetime security clearance. He doesn't.

You debunked nothing, you copy-pasted some URL.

WaPo: Top secret clearance holders so numerous they include ‘packers/craters’

Just cut it out with the polyanna-routine, as though we don't all know that TS clearance is handed out like candy and is sought after like a Willy Wonky golden ticket to $$$. Here's a Reddit thread on how to get on the gravy-train!

You have web search, so you can look it up for yourself -- the only criterion to be eligible for consideration for a TS/SCI clearance is that you are "working with" the Federal government. All of the countless Washington NGOs that ex-senior Federal officials hold permanent positions at, "work with" the Federal government at the top echelons, meaning, State, CIA, etc. And ex-POTUS is in highest demand of all, because only POTUS has clearance to "see everything". So, ticking the checkboxes required to maintain TS/SCI for life is no sweat. Probably the only people who come close to being as in-demand as ex-POTUS are ex-NSA, ex-FBI, ex-DNI and folks like that. They've seen the dirt on everyone, so their consultancy is worth unlimited $$$. They all have active TS clearance one way or another.

I'm not denying Trump had the authority to declassify materials while in office. But I don't believe he ever declassified all the stuff he took with him,

It's all just political theater, and it appears to also be a Hail Mary attempt to lock Trump out of the 2024 race by legal force. Bookmark this post and feel free to point out that I got it wrong if I turn out to have been wrong. You can be sure I'll sleep like a baby tonight...

 

[TheTexan]

The 1st amendment continues to get flushed down the drain.

Man is arrested for saying the "FBI deserves to die"

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/p...you-work-for-the-fbi-then-you-deserve-to-die/