[Doug Wead] Shocker: Ron Paul and rule 40, the new Romney nightmare

[IDefendThePlatform]

If Ron accepted the VP slot I'd vote for his ticket.

Also, sailing away is doing a fantastic job of moderating.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You're new, so you might not understand this, but we actually have rules on this forum regarding personal insults. If SailingAway doesn't address your blatant disregard for those rules and properly address it by deleting your post, I'd imagine you've just strengthened my case to have her removed.

Before I can go along with this request, it'd be great if you could fill out this Butthurt report form, so that I can better know what complaints we are rallying against:

Seriously, she supports and trusts Ron if he feels that a VP spot will advance our causes and accepts, as do I. You're free to disagree and vote your conscience, but stop overreacting like anyone is a traitor if they don't completely agree with you on how to best make gains. Liberty means acknowledging that others have a different view of the world than yourself. This idea that "you're either for us or against us" is not only a dangerous and divisive line of thinking, but extremely close-minded.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Are there really that many people here so easily swayed to support tyranny just because of a VP nomination?

This is so disheartening I can hardly believe it. Please tell me, how does Ron as VP stop Romney from violating my rights, engaging in unconstitutional wars, and perhaps even going so far to sign into law legislation that could shut down this forum.

Why do so many people here, that are supposed to support liberty, not understand liberty? How could you put a person in power that has already shown he will willingly violate the Constitution. One that JUST said a few days ago he could go to war with Iran if he wanted to?!

If Ron accepted the VP slot I'd vote for his ticket.

Also, sailing away is doing a fantastic job of moderating.

 

[TheGrinch]

You're new, so you might not understand this, but we actually have rules on this forum regarding personal insults. If SailingAway doesn't address your blatant disregard for those rules and properly address it by deleting your post, I'd imagine you've just strengthened my case to have her removed.

For teasing you about going overboard and calling for a mod's head over her opinion? Ummm, you pretty well necessitated a good ribbing with that hateful spiel. Hey, kettle, you're black!

 

[sailingaway]

You're new, so you might not understand this, but we actually have rules on this forum regarding personal insults. If SailingAway doesn't address your blatant disregard for those rules and properly address it by deleting your post, I'd imagine you've just strengthened my case to have her removed.

lol! Have you looked at your own posts?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Then do your job.

I happen to think there's a very strong difference between being enraged and telling someone to get lost for supporting candidates that want to rob me of my liberty, and people that throw childish insults.

So let's see...anger for fighting for my freedom against those supporting tyranny...against childish insults because they don't agree with me.

 

[sailingaway]

except that people simply disagree with you on what fighting for liberty means and by claiming everyone who disagrees with your precise view and candidate preference is a traitor, you ARE simply calling names.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Regardless of how you try to spin this, casting your vote for a candidate that is a serial offender of the Constitution and would be given further power to further violate my rights, this country's law, and liberty is NOT fighting for liberty.

Yes, I am angered by this fundamental misunderstanding you've displayed and have acted out in anger, though entirely because I am so offended you would be willing to put someone in office that would strip me of my rights. That is why I display anger, that is why I say you do not understand liberty, and that is why I called you a turncoat.

I'll reiterate, Voting for a candidate that would destroy liberty is not fighting for liberty. Since you are willing to do so, I don't think you should be a moderator. It's not personal, but I hold liberty very dearly to my heart, and it's why this forum was created. To support Mitt Romney, in any capacity, is a fundamental misunderstanding of liberty. You cannot gain liberty by giving it away. Ron has been very clear on this in the past, and it's true.

except that people simply disagree with you on what fighting for liberty means and by claiming everyone who disagrees with your precise view and candidate preference is a traitor, you ARE simply calling names.

 

[VictorB]

Take this argument to PM's. It's derailing the thread and it is childish.

 

[jay_dub]

Regardless of how you try to spin this, casting your vote for a candidate that is a serial offender of the Constitution and would be given further power to further violate my rights, this country's law, and liberty is NOT fighting for liberty.

Yes, I am angered by this fundamental misunderstanding you've displayed and have acted out in anger, though entirely because I am so offended you would be willing to put someone in office that would strip me of my rights. That is why I display anger, that is why I say you do not understand liberty, and that is why I called you a turncoat.

I'll reiterate, Voting for a candidate that would destroy liberty is not fighting for liberty. Since you are willing to do so, I don't think you should be a moderator. It's not personal, but I hold liberty very dearly to my heart, and it's why this forum was created. To support Mitt Romney, in any capacity, is a fundamental misunderstanding of liberty. You cannot gain liberty by giving it away. Ron has been very clear on this in the past, and it's true.

Geez....get off your damn soapbox. There's a forum for rants...and it ain't here.

 

[justatrey]

Romney/Rand is a no-brainer. I'm writing in Ron.

Romney/Ron...I honest don't know. That may literally be the only possible way I'd ever vote for Mitt Friggin Romney. I trust Ron 100% so I guess I'd go along with it.

With that said, I think it's a huge longshot to actually be an option. First that the powers that be would ever allow it, and second that Ron would ever even want it.

 

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I wouldn't mind Ron Paul on the V.P. ticket. He can call his own interviews how he feels. The President wouldn't be able to control what he says. I would vote for that ticket to be able to hear Ron speak his mind about the Government for 4 years.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

..and the new members come out of the woodwork to support the Romney campaign takeover.

As I've stated from the beginning I'm all for the delegates exercising their rights and doing everything in their power to secure a victory for the liberty movement. That is entirely worth discussing.

Turning this thread into a "we should play nice with Mitt and ride on his coat tails" is NOT the same thing as that.

Again, we should absolutely support securing a victory for liberty. How this thread became a "let's let Mitt Romney win and be his VIP and maybe tyranny will be okay just this once" lovefest is boggling my mind.

 

[Aratus]

luv... our doctor rand is in a position to rap incumbant mitt on the knuckles in 2015 by threatening to run for potus should the next four years
feel as if george W bush had had his 3rd or 4th term or BHO had his slightly more socialistic second one via mitt's wonderous ability to flipflop...

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Please remember, the president has the pen. The president has the executive order and the executive privilege. Does it not scare you, even just a little, that Obama just used the executive privilege for evil? What's stopping Romney from doing the same, or worse? And a large portion of people here are, somehow, okay with that?

The establishment has never respected Ron ever before. Why would they respect him as VP, and why would the media even follow him as VP?

So we take the establishment bait, compromise principle to put Romney in office with Ron as VP, and then the media can ignore Ron into obscurity and Romney has the pen to push us into Iran (which he said he would do without declaring war,) continue funding his bankster buddies, etc etc. I don't even have to explain all of the terrible things about him anymore.

How does anyone see any benefit to this?

I wouldn't mind Ron Paul on the V.P. ticket. He can call his own interviews how he feels. The President wouldn't be able to control what he says. I would vote for that ticket to be able to hear Ron speak his mind about the Government for 4 years.

 

[sailingaway]

quit derailing this. literally, you have made your views clear and you are just ranting at this point. The question is should Ron be nominated from the floor so he has an unedited speech as VP, then let the chips fall where they may on the vote. I would rather he be nominated in as PRESIDENT because I think the applicable rules are the same, unless Romney were to support Ron as VP when we nominate him so he actually had a chance. I think the liklihood of that happening is virtually nil, so I suggest we nominate Ron from the floor as PRESIDENT.

Meanwhile, to do this, I think we need to make the videos showing why our delegation in LA should be seated go viral. Here they are for anyone who wants to help: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-TRUTH-RE-LA-amp-OK-BEFORE-TAMPA-spread-VIDEO

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Here's the issue with that. The establishment would destroy Rand if he went against his party after endorsing Mitt. He'd have no legs and no support to challenge him...when was the last time an incumbent ran against his party's guy and was successful....

Further, let me pose this counter argument. What if we didn't help Mitt win, and the people did not have a perception of false change in this country? They would be stuck with Obama yet again, maybe to regret and fully understand those damaging socialistic polices. More light is shined on Fast and Furious. Then, in 2016, Rand is primed to run, should it be desired.

Just remember, the republican image was absolutely destroyed by Bush's presidency. If Obama had not been so terrible, you may have seen 4 back to back democratic presidencies due to the political realignment. The elite are very cunning...they present the perception of change when it's all the same...

So why support Mitt? This should be a no brainer, but if they are attempting to court us, don't you think that's a little suspicious on it's own? They've never done a thing for us before, they've never cared about our rights or liberty, but they want our support now and you're willing to think this time is different?

It's like a girlfriend with a physically abusive boyfriend. It never changes.

luv... our doctor rand is in a position to rap incumbant mitt on the knuckles in 2015 by threatening to run for potus should the next four years
feel as if george W bush had had his 3rd or 4th term or BHO had his slightly more socialistic second one via mitt's wonderous ability to flipflop...

 

[rockandrollsouls]

This entire discussion has been about either electing Ron as VP or the Nomination from the convention floor. Everyone has commented on that, including me. The only difference is I've had a dissenting opinion, so I talk about the other side of that issue and since it's dissenting it's considered "derailing" by you?

I can't pose a counter argument as to why it may be a bad idea to nominate him as VP?

Okay, dictator sailingaway.

quit derailing this. literally, you have made your views clear and you are just ranting at this point. The question is should Ron be nominated from the floor so he has an unedited speech as VP, then let the chips fall where they may on the vote. I would rather he be nominated in as PRESIDENT because I think the applicable rules are the same, unless Romney were to support Ron as VP when we nominate him so he actually had a chance. I think the liklihood of that happening is virtually nil, so I suggest we nominate Ron from the floor as PRESIDENT.

Meanwhile, to do this, I think we need to make the videos showing why our delegation in LA should be seated go viral. Here they are for anyone who wants to help: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-TRUTH-RE-LA-amp-OK-BEFORE-TAMPA-spread-VIDEO

 

[[email protected]]

Please remember, the president has the pen. The president has the executive order and the executive privilege. Does it not scare you, even just a little, that Obama just used the executive privilege for evil? What's stopping Romney from doing the same, or worse? And a large portion of people here are, somehow, okay with that?

The establishment has never respected Ron ever before. Why would they respect him as VP, and why would the media even follow him as VP?

How does anyone see any benefit to this?

First off I would rather have a Ron Paul presidency. I am a no one but Paul person. This was not meant to be a fight on why we should vote for the ticket. You ranting won't get the delegates to change there minds. At least 60 to 70 percent of them are establishment. The only way to change there minds is to take over congress and the senate little by little. This movement isn't going to happen over night. I am hoping this year a miracle happens at the convention. That is what it will take. I hope the courts rule in are favor. If it doesn't happen then we need to move forward.

Will I vote for Romney/Rand ticket? No. Will I vote for a Romney/Ron ticket? YES. This is the only way it will happens. To be able to hear Ron for 4 more years would be a honor. Also will the media pay attention?Yes. Do you see Biden being ignored all the time. I see Biden traveling trying to give a message to the people. Ron could do this and change many people towards liberty. The liberty candidates will come out from every direction. Democrat or Republican.

 

[Wooden Indian]

Ron as a veep to Romey would be a slap in the face of this movement.
Embracing the establishment tyranny in exchange for 4 years of a worthless position where no change can occur... well, that's just short sighted and ignorant, imo.

I'm really surprised to see so many of you say that you would accept this if it were to be offered. What happened to all the "NOBP"?

Do you always turn tail and give in so easily?
This is worth fighting for. It's bigger than Ron. Don't give in so easily.

To hell with the establishment. To hell with Romney.