[Doug Wead] Shocker: Ron Paul and rule 40, the new Romney nightmare

[anaconda]

If Ron accepted the VP slot I'd vote for his ticket.

Also, sailing away is doing a fantastic job of moderating.

I disagree with you on the Romney/Paul ticket but agree with you on sailingaway.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

At this point, Ron knows he is in a lose-lose situation and has a tiny chance of being the nominee.

Romney/Ron ticket loses = Ron gets blamed
Romney/Neocon ticket loses = Ron gets blamed.
Ron/Liberty ticket loses = Ron gets blamed.
Ron/Liberty ticket starts winning = rigged for Ron to lose = Ron gets blamed.

He might as well take the VP nomination and use it as a platform to educate people about constitution/liberty. Even if Romney/Ron ticket loses, who cares? Ron just got hours and hours of media attention as GOP VP to talk to MILLIONS of americans and people outside USA will know of Ron Paul more. Sure the media might treat Ron like they treat Sarah P, but as long as the message goes out.. it is fine.

Let's assume ROmney/Ron for some reason wins... well that means Ron gets to be VP. VP is useless for making decisions... but again, Ron can use it as an educational platform to speak to millions of people for 4 - 8 years....

Still, our main goal is presidency if possible.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Glad someone else gets it.

And, like me, are you at all a bit baffled and off-put that the moderators would support this appeasement?!

Ron as a veep to Romey would be a slap in the face of this movement.
Embracing the establishment tyranny in exchange for 4 years of a worthless position where no change can occur... well, that's just short sighted and ignorant, imo.

I'm really surprised to see so many of you say that you would accept this if it were to be offered. What happened to all the "NOBP"?

Do you always turn tail and give in so easily?
This is worth fighting for. It's bigger than Ron. Don't give in so easily.

To hell with the establishment. To hell with Romney.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Ron had multi-million dollars of purchased air time. How will being a VP that the media are not required to give air time to going to educate the public any more than this campaign?

I'm going to be frank. I've donated all of my money and time to get Ron the presidency. I want lawyers for Ron Paul to get a confirmation from a judge. I want them to lay into the establishment, and they should. They've mistreated us, and most often they have done so illegally. Our delegates should be nominating him from the floor. And I don't care what Benton says, again a man I've never been a fan of.

If Ron does not get the nod, I will not vote for the GOP ticket in any capacity. I will instead vote for another candidate that does further liberty and will not destroy this country or its constitution. Whether that's GJ, or someone else, or a write in.

And personally, I think that's the only way to do it. If you're not voting for a liberty candidate, you're not voting for liberty. Plain and simple. You don't get liberty by giving it up, just like how Ron has always said you don't have to give up your freedoms to be safer.

Never appease. Ron never did, so I don't see why others here would.

At this point, Ron knows he is in a lose-lose situation and has a tiny chance of being the nominee.

Romney/Ron ticket loses = Ron gets blamed
Romney/Neocon ticket loses = Ron gets blamed.
Ron/Liberty ticket loses = Ron gets blamed.
Ron/Liberty ticket starts winning = rigged for Ron to lose = Ron gets blamed.

He might as well take the VP nomination and use it as a platform to educate people about constitution/liberty. Even if Romney/Ron ticket loses, who cares? Ron just got hours and hours of media attention as GOP VP to talk to MILLIONS of americans and people outside USA will know of Ron Paul more. Sure the media might treat Ron like they treat Sarah P, but as long as the message goes out.. it is fine.

Let's assume ROmney/Ron for some reason wins... well that means Ron gets to be VP. VP is useless for making decisions... but again, Ron can use it as an educational platform to speak to millions of people for 4 - 8 years....

Still, our main goal is presidency if possible.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Glad someone else gets it.

And, like me, are you at all a bit baffled and off-put that the moderators would support this appeasement?!

Sailingaway is not asking for a Romney/Paul ticket, she wants Ron Nominated (for president hopefully) so that he can get an unedited speaking spot at the RNC. But IF, for whatever reason, Ron decided to go for VP there are some here that might consider that since Ron would have chosen it, but we think it possible that he would speak and then (if VP nomination) perhaps decline, who knows?

IF we say, hell no I'm not voting Romney/Ron then what have we to do, vote for libertarian party in a rebellion?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

So, you're saying it's a BAD thing to rule out voting for a dictator?!

I'd vote for my crazy, libertarian next door neighbor before I voted for someone that will violate his oath to the constitution. I'm pretty sure that's how this country was designed...you know...so violators of the supreme law of the land will be ripped out of office and possibly put in prison.

I guess some of you here are willing to let that slip and make some exceptions?

So I guess you continue promoting the false paradigm that I have to choose between facists and socialists instead of being in the minority and voting for someone that respects our rule of law....that's valid...(not really)

Sailingaway is not asking for a Romney/Paul ticket, she wants Ron Nominated (for president hopefully) so that he can get an unedited speaking spot at the RNC. But IF, for whatever reason, Ron decided to go for VP there are some here that might consider that since Ron would have chosen it, but we think it possible that he would speak and then (if VP nomination) perhaps decline, who knows?

IF we say, hell no I'm not voting Romney/Ron then what have we to do, vote for libertarian party in a rebellion?

 

[Revolution9]

I have no respect for those that put individuals in power that violate the constitution and my rights. You, yourself, are a turn coat, and this not the first time. You've judged many members, moved threads around to your liking to support your own opinion and agenda, and now you come out and say you'd vote for Romney after all of that.

You should be free to do whatever you want to do, but I'm absolutely not comfortable with someone like yourself moderating these discussions when you've voiced you would support Romney. I've been fighting for years. You just got here, somehow got a moderator position, and you've displayed bias during your abuse of that position.

Blither blathher yakketty yak. Yer a street corner sinnicastering preacher on fire because he thinks he found a demon in the nice lady passing by so unleashes his personal demon on them... get over yerself. You are not about liberty..mr. control freak.

Rev9

 

[Aratus]

i could quit doing mitt romney votes in all our informal online polls as i offer to sit out the election if one of
my young obama voting near kin do a likewise even though it would be fun to maybe even vote for maybe
gary johnson. i had voted for dr. ron paul in our primary here that was so soon after new hampshire. i am a
50something baystater and i feel mitt romney's most mediocre tyme as our governor trumps what BHO did in
illinois prior to his winning his senate seat over monsieur keyes who was much smarter and brainier than he!

 

[Revolution9]

You're new, so you might not understand this, but we actually have rules on this forum regarding personal insults. If SailingAway doesn't address your blatant disregard for those rules and properly address it by deleting your post, I'd imagine you've just strengthened my case to have her removed.

Piss up a rope drooldonkey.. You see yerself as beacon of truth/ I see you as a spittle flinging fanatic with a nasty spew. You sully the legacy of rock and roll with your handle. Yer a complete and utter control freak and whiner..not anything else in this thread. Don't you belong with the neocons establishment goons with that attitude??

rev9

 

[Revolution9]

So, you're saying it's a BAD thing to rule out voting for a dictator?!

I'd vote for my crazy, libertarian next door neighbor before I voted for someone that will violate his oath to the constitution. I'm pretty sure that's how this country was designed...you know...so violators of the supreme law of the land will be ripped out of office and possibly put in prison.

I guess some of you here are willing to let that slip and make some exceptions?

So I guess you continue promoting the false paradigm that I have to choose between facists and socialists instead of being in the minority and voting for someone that respects our rule of law....that's valid...(not really)

And you are pushing people to vote for whom?? You next door frakkn' nayburr. Jeezus H Crap in a handbasket.

Rev9

 

[jay_dub]

Piss up a rope drooldonkey.. You see yerself as beacon of truth/ I see you as a spittle flinging fanatic with a nasty spew. You sully the legacy of rock and roll with your handle. Yer a complete and utter control freak and whiner..not anything else in this thread. Don't you belong with the neocons establishment goons with that attitude??

rev9

Very eloquently put.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yawn. Typical. Revert to personal insults instead of addressing very real concerns I've mentioned.

I would think questioning the direction of a movement does a little more for what's going on in the cause of liberty than insulting someone for their observations and opinions. I hope you didn't kiss your mother with that mouth.

And here is where the bias will be interjected. Undoubtedly, your insulting and deconstructive posts will go untouched.

Piss up a rope drooldonkey.. You see yerself as beacon of truth/ I see you as a spittle flinging fanatic with a nasty spew. You sully the legacy of rock and roll with your handle. Yer a complete and utter control freak and whiner..not anything else in this thread. Don't you belong with the neocons establishment goons with that attitude??

rev9

 

[thoughtomator]

If Ron Paul is forced on Romney as VP nominee it's not a capitulation at all. It's a loud and clear message as to who really has support in the GOP.

 

[phill4paul]

Very eloquently put.

Eloquent?

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

If Ron Paul is forced on Romney as VP nominee it's not a capitulation at all. It's a loud and clear message as to who really has support in the GOP.

VP nominee AND party platform change AND speech... now that would be awesome, if we are short of the presidency.

Selling out? Maybe. But you rather walk away with nothing? I am sure a lot of people see platform change or speech as being trivial, although symbolic of the success and progress of the movement. We want something tangible and substantial for our delegate's sacrifice and work that was put in it. To tell our delegates they came all the way to the convention just to win symbolically is "meh". We obivously want the best we can get with whatever delegates we can get.

 

[Professor8000]

I guess the question remains, do we even want Dr. Paul to be the VP selection?

Don't get me wrong, it'd be extremely tough for me not to vote for a ticket that has a Paul on it, but the position only really has power if you have a pushover president, establishment backing and no regard for the Constitution... I've heard it said before that Cheney had much power as VP, but that was only because he had the establishment and president backing him to do whatever he pleased and piss all over the Constitution... Dr. Paul will abide by his constitutional restrictions, which makes the position very inconsequential on policy matters.

Also, although Romney might not have a choice in the matter, it's definitely safe to say that this stands to hurt him more than help him, when the two hit the campaign trail and their rhetoric directly contradicts one another, while the Obama rhetoric machine gets into a full gear pushing the same message.

We know Dr. Paul isn't going to compromise his rhetoric or ideals, and so unless Romney does another total flip-flop (just as highly unlikely that he'd flip-flop to anti-establishment rhetoric), then all they're going to do is contradict one another...

Romney's worst nightmare indeed (aside from the possibility that the delegates become completely unbound), but I'm unsure that this is really something we should be shooting for either.... It very might well serve to do nothing more than tie us in with Romney, either in a losing campaign or tied to his "mistakes" as president. I'm very skeptical that this helps our goals either...

The Vice President is the President of the Senate, if Ron Paul became VP he could single handedly stop each and every unconstitutional bill going through the Senate... unless they were all unconstitutional... it's kinda hard to work the agenda in your favor when it's all bad stuff. But the VP has a lot of power legislatively that many people take for granted. I'm sure Ron Paul would sit in on every session of the Senate just to do what he could.

 

[sailingaway]

You know that guy whose tweets I post sometimes who tweeted that the lawsuit was coming down the pike weeks before it was filed? Well he just tweeted this:

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press
Guidance Received Today To Execute Rule 40 On Convention Floor From High Level Campaign- Reply-Guidance will be executed on convention floor

 

[sailingaway]

and this:

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press
We will coordinate convention floor strategy- With our new relationship we are going beyond the legal case. Our 300 Plaintiffs are in to win

8m USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press
All guidance given by high level, high profile Ron Paul Associate will be followed meticulously

 

[specsaregood]

The Vice President is the President of the Senate, if Ron Paul became VP he could single handedly stop each and every unconstitutional bill going through the Senate... unless they were all unconstitutional... it's kinda hard to work the agenda in your favor when it's all bad stuff. But the VP has a lot of power legislatively that many people take for granted. I'm sure Ron Paul would sit in on every session of the Senate just to do what he could.

The senate doesn't work that way, it isn't like the house. my understanding is the he could not in fact do that.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Bingo. We have a winner. VP is useless. Even more useless when the media won't cover you.

The senate doesn't work that way, it isn't like the house. my understanding is the he could not in fact do that.