[Doug Wead] Shocker: Ron Paul and rule 40, the new Romney nightmare

[sailingaway]

i hate to be a downer but ill say it again.....

There is no chance in hell Ron would ever be asked to be veep.

I highly doubt we have the delegates to go rogue and secure the vp slot at the convention. It would be political suicide by Romney. Rand on the other hand is much more electorally suitable but still a long, longshot.

But would he get Romney votes?

I agree Romney is unlikely to pick Ron, which makes me say we should nominate Ron as PRESIDENT on the floor, it is the same rules as VP, and the binding only counts on the ballot vote according to the rules, the nomination is a separate motion. The only benefit I would see to VP nomination from the floor is if Romney would actually back Ron for the position. Otherwise, I'm not sure why nomination for President wouldn't be the focus.

 

[opinionatedfool]

If there was a strategy, Rand wouldn't have endorsed.

It may have been the exact reason he endorsed. He was probably trying to take some pressure off at conventions. If our delegates nominate Ron Paul or Rand Paul for VP at the convention and win, the Romney/Paul ticket will most likely have my vote. Its certainly not president, but its better than nothing.

 

[Plague-of-Locutus]

I guess my question would have to be: If we get Ron nominated and he gives his speech but declines the VP nomination, could everyone respect his choice since he is a grown man or would people instantly take offense?

The last thing I want is success on a grand scale in Tampa and our delegate representation has a hissy fit and boos Ron. I absolutely will go apeshit if it happens.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I guess my question would have to be: If we get Ron nominated and he gives his speech but declines the VP nomination, could everyone respect his choice since he is a grown man or would people instantly take offense?

The last thing I want is success on a grand scale in Tampa and our delegate representation has a hissy fit and boos Ron. I absolutely will go apeshit if it happens.

I'm sort of amazed at the reactionary mentalities amongst some of the many in our movement. There is no reason for some to be so fragile considering we've seen just about everything there is to see in politics. However, we'll mature more as we continue to grow and have more success in the GOP. That is, those of us that stay the course and don't go bonkers at the next surprise which inevitably will happen.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

I'm sort of amazed at the reactionary mentalities amongst some of the many in our movement. There is no reason for some to be so fragile considering we've seen just about everything there is to see in politics. However, we'll mature more as we continue to grow and have more success in the GOP. That is, those of us that stay the course and don't go bonkers at the next surprise which inevitably will happen.

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If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.

 

[CPUd]

I don't think they are trying to get Ron in as VP. They just want the possibility out there that they have the ability to put up someone who is not the person chosen by the romney camp, and that the delegates at the convention who may not vote for Ron as president, might break with who the romney camp wants.

Think about who and why Josh romney got 'booed [as he was walking] off the stage'. There was a point where the romney camp lost all trust in even their own people and pushed all new slates, full of people who have a lot to lose politically if they get out of line. When they piss off what little grassroots they do have, there is nothing left for them to do but blatantly cheat their slates through.

 

[cheapseats]

I guess my question would have to be: If we get Ron nominated and he gives his speech but declines the VP nomination, could everyone respect his choice since he is a grown man or would people instantly take offense?

I have broached this subject several times, not once getting a reply.

If Ron Paul does not WANT the Presidency...doesn't feel "up" to it, maybe doesn't think his WIFE is up to it, whatever...but his Supporters could COMPEL his nomination & election, WOULD they?

 

[CPUd]

I have broached this subject several times, not once getting a reply.

If Ron Paul does not WANT the Presidency...doesn't feel "up" to it, maybe doesn't think his WIFE is up to it, whatever...but his Supporters could COMPEL his nomination & election, WOULD they?

The best leaders are the ones who have taken on the position unwillingly. And I don't think I've ever heard Ron Paul ask for a vote.

 

[cheapseats]

I don't know that Ron would accept the slot. But if he did, I'd be confident he would be independent because of his 30 year record. I would be voting for Ron, not Romney.

You would be confident of the independence of someone who would not ENDORSE another candidate but who WOULD be that candidate's running mate and, pending victory, who WOULD be that candidate's second-in-command?

Johnson is neither here nor there, I view him as a squishy candidate, and he isn't a real option to the two major parties. I would certainly vote for him despite that if he represented my views, but he doesn't.

I don't think Ron will be VP to Romney, but I'd vote for him if he were, because that would be better than the alternative and I'd be voting for the voice to be heard on a bigger stage of someone I actively believe in: Ron Paul.

Whether Ron Paul were running, as President or as VP or not, I simply wouldn't be interested in Johnson.

You find Gary Johnson "squishy" and unlikeable, and that's fine. His views don't jibe with yours, perfectly understandable. That's what makes horse races.

But to suggest that a ROMNEY presidency with Ron Paul cooling his jets as second fiddle is somehow SUPERIOR to a Gary Johnson presidency is effin' TWISTED.

Gary Johnson may be "neither here nor there" in YOUR worldview. And his chance of winning is SLIMMER than Ron Paul's.

But he WILL be on the November ballot, which is VERY here & now.

 

[cheapseats]

The best leaders are the ones who have taken on the position unwillingly. And I don't think I've ever heard Ron Paul ask for a vote.

RELUCTANT LEADERS FTW!

But that isn't the question.

 

[sailingaway]

You would be confident of the independence of someone who would not ENDORSE another candidate but who WOULD be that candidate's running mate and, pending victory, who WOULD be that candidate's second-in-command?

If that person was Ron Paul and WE nominated him from the floor and the delegates selected him, underlining his independence yes I would.

You find Gary Johnson "squishy" and unlikeable, and that's fine. His views don't jive with yours, perfectly understandable. That's what makes horse races.

But to suggest that a ROMNEY presidency with Ron Paul cooling his jets as second fiddle is somehow SUPERIOR to a Gary Johnson presidency is effin' TWISTED.

Gary Johnson may be "neither here nor there" in YOUR worldview. He has a WORSE shot at the presidency than Ron Paul.

But he WILL be on the November ballot, which is VERY here & now.

I think the 'Gary Johnson doesn't represent me and does nothing for me' part just isn't getting through in this conversation. Why on earth WOULD I vote for him?

 

[satchelmcqueen]

bring it on! If we cant have ron as prez, then i say we nominate him for vice prez!. this will get ron in a position of power and romney will either have to deal with him or have a presidency in chaos for 4 years. ron will not bend as vice prez so in a way itll be as if ron is the prez anyway.

lets blow the roof off of tampa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gerryb]

If there was a strategy, Rand would have endorsed.

Fixed that for you.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm sort of amazed at the reactionary mentalities amongst some of the many in our movement.

I think it is mislabeled, this is not a "movement". For better or worse it is more like a swarm.

 

[Revolution9]

It is all about getting an unedited speech. With all the international press shaming our own "media" this could indeed be a "come to Jesus" moment for America.

The best historical speeches ever presented to the House should have their speaker speak.

Rev9

 

[cheapseats]

I agree Romney is unlikely to pick Ron, which makes me say we should nominate Ron as PRESIDENT on the floor, it is the same rules as VP, and...

...somehow, Miracle Theory will come into play such that the man who TRAILED THE REPUBLICAN FIELD IN POPULAR VOTES will win the whole shebang?

I am READY. Let's hear the PITCH.

 

[sailingaway]

...somehow, Miracle Theory will come into play such that the man who TRAILED THE REPUBLICAN FIELD IN POPULAR VOTES will win the whole shebang?

I am READY. Let's hear the PITCH.

If the point is to get Ron an unedited speech by nominating him from the floor, we might as well do it in the position he actually ran for. Why not?

And then if Miracle Theory comes into play, he'll be handy, I suppose. What I am saying is that unless Romney IS going to back Ron for VP if we nominate him, I don't see why we should restrict the nomination to VP instead of Pres.

 

[Revolution9]

i hate to be a downer but ill say it again.....

There is no chance in hell Ron would ever be asked to be veep.

I highly doubt we have the delegates to go rogue and secure the vp slot at the convention. It would be political suicide by Romney. Rand on the other hand is much more electorally suitable but still a long, longshot.

One of Romney's business partners in a RICO type ponzi scheme JUST got sentenced to 110 years in jail. How is that for fluidity. Pay attention folks. There is a plan and the word is out that RP is untouchable. Do not ry it or you and everyone around you will regret it sharply is what the intel world is stuttering.. The lawsuit is not just a binding of delegates decision. It is the beginning of an organised criminal investigation in which those being investigated under RICO can have all ill gotten funds confiscated prior to conviction to avoid absconding with the loot. Ask yourself..how much of Romney's 210 million or so may be ill gotten? His Vatican Bank slush fund is certainly "ill gotten" bribes. That may come out soon with the Vatican banking scandal in full swing and Italian prosecutors getting the bull by the horns there along with the Greek situation and etc..etc..etc.,.

Rev9

 

[cheapseats]

Stipulated, that Wall Street Journal is tainted following its acquisition by Rupert Murdoch.

That said, it remains a "paper of record".

Clues Emerge on Romney's VP Pick

By COLLEEN MCCAIN NELSON

June 20, 2012, 11:44 a.m. ET


Speculation about Mitt Romney's running mate has kicked up a notch, as one possibility seemed to remove himself from the running, another took a more central role in the campaign and a third saw Mr. Romney confirm him as a serious contender.

The field of Mr. Romney's potential choices seemed to narrow Tuesday as Republican officials and friends of Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels said he was likely to be chosen as the next president of Purdue University, based on what they had heard from people at the university or inside Mr. Daniels's camp. Mr. Daniels's selection was reported by the Indianapolis Star. The governor's office and Purdue declined to comment.

On Tuesday, a friend of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a conservative favorite, said that he wasn't currently being vetted by the Romney campaign. Mr. Romney brushed off a question about Mr. Rubio during the day in an appearance on Fox News, but by evening he said that the senator "is being thoroughly vetted as part of our process.''

Meantime, attention increasingly is turning to Tim Pawlenty, the former Minnesota governor and onetime Romney primary-season foe. Of elected officials who joined Mr. Romney in a recent six-state campaign tour, Mr. Pawlenty stood out to party leaders as they handicapped who might be chosen to join the GOP ticket.

Privately, some Romney campaign officials have offered that Mr. Pawlenty has impressed them with his work as a Romney representative on the campaign trail and with the press. "He's never done a bad interview" while acting as a campaign spokesman, said one Republican operative.

Moreover, Mr. Pawlenty's background as the son of a truck driver from South St. Paul, Minn., is a potential counterweight to Mr. Romney's wealth. The former governor also could help Mr. Romney in the battleground states of Minnesota and neighboring Iowa, both of which the campaign sees as potential pickups from President Barack Obama's 2008 column.

As is pro forma among potential picks, Mr. Pawlenty has shrugged off questions about the No. 2 slot. But over time, his denials have shifted from suggesting that Mr. Romney take his name off the list to noting that anybody would be honored to serve, if asked. He has been through this before: Mr. Pawlenty was said to be on GOP nominee John McCain's shortlist in 2008.

Mr. Pawlenty dropped out of the 2012 nominating contest before the first vote was cast, after doing poorly in a straw poll in Ames, Iowa, last August. A month later, he endorsed Mr. Romney, making him an early backer among GOP leaders. The two men have developed a friendly, respectful relationship, a friend of Mr. Pawlenty said.

Mr. Pawlenty and other potential running mates joined Mr. Romney for parts of the five-day bus tour that ended Tuesday. "I don't know if you've been listening or not, but Barack Obama's been going around the country basically saying his campaign theme is, 'It could be worse,' " Mr. Pawlenty told voters in Cornwall, Pa. "I've got news for the president: It's really bad. Mitt Romney's telling the country it's going to get a lot better when he's president."

Others who joined for segments of the tour included Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire.

Some Republicans have questioned whether Mr. Portman's time as budget chief under former President George W. Bush would prove a liability to Mr. Romney. Ms. Ayotte is new to the national stage. Another potential pick, Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, has said he isn't being vetted. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal are also seen as potential running mates.

Joe Brettell, a consultant to conservative groups and causes, said Mr. Pawlenty "checks all the boxes" for desired qualities in a Romney running mate: He's an evangelical Christian with a national profile who has credibility with conservatives.

Ben Golnik, a longtime Republican operative who previously served as executive director of the Republican Party in Minnesota, said Mr. Pawlenty can relate to people at a VFW lodge or in a Fortune 500 boardroom. "He's a known quantity. He's been vetted. He's been tested. There would be no learning curve for him," Mr. Golnik said.

One potential strike against Mr. Pawlenty: Mr. Romney landed an embarrassing, third-place finish in Minnesota's GOP presidential primary this year, behind Rick Santorum and Rep. Ron Paul, despite Mr. Pawlenty's role as a leading Romney surrogate.

"There are only two people in this country who know who are being vetted and who are not: And that's Beth Myers and myself,'' Mr. Romney said in Holland, Mich., referring to the longtime aide who is leading his vice presidential search. "And I know Beth well. She doesn't talk to anybody."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303379204577477013273998458.html

 

[sailingaway]

Stipulated, that Wall Street Journal is tainted following its acquisition by Rupert Murdoch.

That said, it remains a "paper of record".

all it says is a bunch of people are speculating and Romney says they don't know what they are talking about. Doesn't that go in a different forum? We wouldn't nominate any of those guys, any how. This is about what WE would do.