Donald Trump donated twice to Kamala Harris campaigns from 2011 - 2014

[jmdrake]

Do you have a source for that or have you figured that one out all by yourself?

Personally I'm no expert at 3D-chess or politrics, but I once saw the book Bob Woodward - “Fear: Trump in the White House”, which I "read" in 30 minutes so possibly this wasn't the only interesting info in the whole book.
Woodward describes a scenario that's remarkably similar to that described by Jmdrake...


Bob Woodward describes a meeting in 2010 where Donald Trump is introduced to Steve Bannon by David Bossie. Bossie amongst others confronts Trump with the fact that he had donated much more to Democrats than to Republicans.
Bannon advised Trump to be “the Tea Party candidate, against the ‘rigged system’ and elites, and hold up populism for the common man”.
http://web.archive.org/web/20181122072546/https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/books/the-president-in-his-crazytown/article25021780.ece

Thank you for the smoking gun! I was going from a hunch looking at the data.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Last time. Danke said Trump had banned Epstein from his clubs. I said there was no evidence of that but Trump did kick Epstein out of Mar-A-Lago. I NEVER SAID TRUMP NEVER BANNED EPSTEIN FROM A SINGLE CLUB! NEVER! QUIT MAKING STUFF UP!

But, let's go with your straw man argument. Revoking someone's membership to a private club is not the same thing as banning him from the club. At most private clubs members can bring a guest. The facts put in court is that Epstein was on the membership list but, after he tried to hit on the daughter of another member, he was kicked out and taken off the guest list. If you want to keep someone from being able to come it at all you need to put him on a ban list. You haven't provided evidence that shows Epstein was put on a ban list. Maybe that evidence exists. I don't know. I don't care. I never argued Epstein wasn't banned from one club just that he wasn't banned from ALL clubs.

What I do know is this. After Epstein had attempted to recruit one of Trump's teenage workers in 1999 to his sex slave island, Epstein was STILL a member at Mar-A-Lago! How do we know Epstein was still a member? Because if his membership had been revoked then he couldn't have later had it revoked for hitting on the daughter of a club member! Let that sink in for a minute. Let it percolate. Let it seep into the recesses of your mind. @Danke and everyone else who wants to hold Trump up as an anti-pedo crusader, think about that again. @Anti Federalist who thinks I'm making a big deal out of nothing, think about that again. I haven't said Trump was a pedophile. I don't think he's guilty of pedophilia by association. But my God people! Would any of you keep hanging out with someone you knew was a pedophile? Would you still call him? Would you still take his calls? Because I sure as hell would not! As the employer of a teenage worker Trump had an affirmative DUTY to keep known pedophiles away and yet he STILL let Epstein come to Mar-A-Lago! WTF?

Here is the timeline of Trump's association with Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...rump-called-epstein-twice-in-november-2004-15

As late as 2004 Trump was still calling Epstein. @RPtotheWH, if Trump HATED Epstein in 2002 when he called him a "terrific guy" then why was HE still calling Epstein in 2004?

This isn't Don Black and his son taking donating to Ron Paul and taking a picture with him. For one thing that's not an association, let alone a close association. For another I can see being friends with a racist. Hell, I've had white racist friends and I'm black. But a pedophile who's still pedophiling? (Made up word I know). I don't expect Trump to put on a superman cape and "roll into a tirade about pedo island." But that's just it. I have NO expectations of that man. None. Nada. Zilch. If someone had asked me that question I would have said "We used to hang out in the day but we've drifted apart as of late." He could even say "I wish him well" like he most recently said about Epstein's girlfriend who's been arrested. But to say "He's a terrific guy" who's "fun to be around" and "likes em young?" Well it's a free country (I think) so he can say whatever he wants to about a guy that on two different occasions hit on teenage girls at Trump's Mar-A-Lago resort and only got kicked out the second time and that was because he hit on the daughter of a club member! But it's still disturbing.

I didn't start this conversation about pedophilia. Danke did by claiming Trump was "going after" the pedophiles. Let's be HONEST about this. Trump did NOT go after Epstein until Senator Ben Sass wrote multiple letters demanding to know why Epstein got a "sweetheart deal."

This is from 2019!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...stein-why-has-he-been-arrested-again-n1027241
In February, the Justice Department opened an investigation into how federal lawyers handled Epstein's case after Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., wrote a series of letters to the department demanding to know why the government cut what he called a "sweetheart deal" with Epstein.

Let that sink in. Trump did NOT go after Epstein until his third year in office and only because a Republican U.S. Senator was putting pressure to see that investigation opened. (It's a damn shame that senator was not Rand Paul). And after Epstein was "suicided", AG Barr closed that part of the investigation. I'm glad Epstein's girlfriend got arrested after months of media pressure and speculation. Trump is not in control of everything the DOJ does. If he was there never would have been a Russia investigation. So *gasp* maybe there are actually some people at DOJ willing to do their job! Maybe, after getting started on the investigation thanks to Ben Sass' prodding, some people at DOJ aren't willing to let it go simply because Epstein is dead.

I fully understand Anti Federalist's point of voting for Trump out of self preservation. I also understand my friends on the left who will vote for Biden/Harris out of a sense of self preservation. I get it. A lot of people are scared. Maybe both sides are right to be scared. Maybe neither side is right. Don't know. Don't care. But I've been wading through a lot of bvll$#@! over the past 48 hours from both sides. Trump isn't the demon lord my friends on the left think he is. Nor is the the 4D chess playing, tactical nukes that somehow don't kill children wielding, uberman that some of my friends on the right think he is. He is an empty suit. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. This thread is really about him donating to Kamala Harris. Maybe he did it for a nude selfie. We know from her relationship with a still married, though "separated" Willie Brown that she didn't mind trading sexual favors for political gain. Or maybe the guy that cheered on the Hillary Clinton supporting prosecutor who railroaded the Central Park 6 simply likes democratic, female, tough as nails prosecutors who stick it to innocent black men. Who knows. Who care. But saint he ain't.

You keep making claims about some employee but you never give any source and you keep quoting the "terrific guy" comment in spite of the fact that the context clearly shows it was sarcasm and Trump was reminding everyone he was a pedo.

Trump had Epstein arrested the first time and the last time, he couldn't have him arrested immediately upon being elected because the government was full of the kind of people who let him off easy the first time and who killed him or faked his death the second time. (It seems it was still too soon)

Take your dishonesty elsewhere.

 

[jmdrake]

You keep making claims about some employee but you never give any source

I gave the source. You just never never read it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...rump-called-epstein-twice-in-november-2004-15

and you keep quoting the "terrific guy" comment in spite of the fact that the context clearly shows it was sarcasm and Trump was reminding everyone he was a pedo.

At the time Trump made the "terrific guy" quote it was not well known that Epstein was a pedo. But after making that quote in 2002, phone records showed Trump called Epstein TWICE in 2004. Do you make a habit of calling people you know are pedophiles? Because I don't. Oh, and that source is in the same link that you didn't read.

Trump had Epstein arrested the first time and the last time,

How did Trump have Epstein arrested in 2005? Source please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

he couldn't have him arrested immediately upon being elected because the government was full of the kind of people who let him off easy the first time and who killed him or faked his death the second time. (It seems it was still too soon)

LOL. He didn't go after Epstein until 2019 when Senator Ben Sass put pressure on the DOJ to act. Wishful thinking on your part.

Take your dishonesty elsewhere.

You are the only one being dishonest jackass. And [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], this is the kind of garbage I'm talking about. SwordSymth ignores the sources I give him, makes up facts without sources, and then calls me the dishonest one. That's why I consider shyt like this a big deal. I feel the same way when I see people on the left lie to defend Kamala Harris.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I gave the source. You just never never read it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...rump-called-epstein-twice-in-november-2004-15

Please quote the part that says Epstein tried to recruit an employee of Trump's and Trump knew about it and did nothing.
I don't see that at the link you gave, or maybe you thought I wouldn't bother to go there?

At the time Trump made the "terrific guy" quote it was not well known that Epstein was a pedo. But after making that quote in 2002, phone records showed Trump called Epstein TWICE in 2004. Do you make a habit of calling people you know are pedophiles? Because I don't. Oh, and that source is in the same link that you didn't read.

Trump was letting people know that Epstein was a pedo, everyone who was anyone knew it and Trump was slipping it into the news.
Why he called him we don't know but it probably had to do with him investigating him, Trump has a history of working with law enforcement to investigate organized crime.

How did Trump have Epstein arrested in 2005? Source please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

Daily Mail: 'Trump blew whistle on Jeffrey Epstein'

LOL. He didn't go after Epstein until 2019 when Senator Ben Sass put pressure on the DOJ to act. Wishful thinking on your part.

I already explained that but you pretend what you want.

You are the only one being dishonest jackass. And @Anti Federalist, this is the kind of garbage I'm talking about. SwordSymth ignores the sources I give him, makes up facts without sources, and then calls me the dishonest one. That's why I consider shyt like this a big deal. I feel the same way when I see people on the left lie to defend Kamala Harris.

Projection.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I gave the source. You just never never read it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...rump-called-epstein-twice-in-november-2004-15

I finally found this at the link you gave:

[h=2]In 1999, a 15-year-old locker room attendant working at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort said she was approached by Epstein's former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell to give Epstein a massage, plaintiff Virginia Giuffre alleged in a 2015 civil suit. She's alleging it was an attempt at recruiting her into "sexual slavery".[/h]
It does nothing to tell us that this actually happened (it may well have) because it is a second hand claim and it certainly does nothing to show that Trump knew anything about it.

 

[RPtotheWH]

Last time. Danke said Trump had banned Epstein from his clubs. I said there was no evidence of that but Trump did kick Epstein out of Mar-A-Lago. I NEVER SAID TRUMP NEVER BANNED EPSTEIN FROM A SINGLE CLUB! NEVER! QUIT MAKING STUFF UP!

But, let's go with your straw man argument. Revoking someone's membership to a private club is not the same thing as banning him from the club. At most private clubs members can bring a guest. The facts put in court is that Epstein was on the membership list but, after he tried to hit on the daughter of another member, he was kicked out and taken off the guest list. If you want to keep someone from being able to come it at all you need to put him on a ban list. You haven't provided evidence that shows Epstein was put on a ban list. Maybe that evidence exists. I don't know. I don't care. I never argued Epstein wasn't banned from one club just that he wasn't banned from ALL clubs.

What I do know is this. After Epstein had attempted to recruit one of Trump's teenage workers in 1999 to his sex slave island, Epstein was STILL a member at Mar-A-Lago! How do we know Epstein was still a member? Because if his membership had been revoked then he couldn't have later had it revoked for hitting on the daughter of a club member! Let that sink in for a minute. Let it percolate. Let it seep into the recesses of your mind. [MENTION=6186]Danke[/MENTION] and everyone else who wants to hold Trump up as an anti-pedo crusader, think about that again. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] who thinks I'm making a big deal out of nothing, think about that again. I haven't said Trump was a pedophile. I don't think he's guilty of pedophilia by association. But my God people! Would any of you keep hanging out with someone you knew was a pedophile? Would you still call him? Would you still take his calls? Because I sure as hell would not! As the employer of a teenage worker Trump had an affirmative DUTY to keep known pedophiles away and yet he STILL let Epstein come to Mar-A-Lago! WTF?

Here is the timeline of Trump's association with Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...rump-called-epstein-twice-in-november-2004-15

As late as 2004 Trump was still calling Epstein. [MENTION=36325]RPtotheWH[/MENTION], if Trump HATED Epstein in 2002 when he called him a "terrific guy" then why was HE still calling Epstein in 2004?

This isn't Don Black and his son taking donating to Ron Paul and taking a picture with him. For one thing that's not an association, let alone a close association. For another I can see being friends with a racist. Hell, I've had white racist friends and I'm black. But a pedophile who's still pedophiling? (Made up word I know). I don't expect Trump to put on a superman cape and "roll into a tirade about pedo island." But that's just it. I have NO expectations of that man. None. Nada. Zilch. If someone had asked me that question I would have said "We used to hang out in the day but we've drifted apart as of late." He could even say "I wish him well" like he most recently said about Epstein's girlfriend who's been arrested. But to say "He's a terrific guy" who's "fun to be around" and "likes em young?" Well it's a free country (I think) so he can say whatever he wants to about a guy that on two different occasions hit on teenage girls at Trump's Mar-A-Lago resort and only got kicked out the second time and that was because he hit on the daughter of a club member! But it's still disturbing.

I didn't start this conversation about pedophilia. Danke did by claiming Trump was "going after" the pedophiles. Let's be HONEST about this. Trump did NOT go after Epstein until Senator Ben Sass wrote multiple letters demanding to know why Epstein got a "sweetheart deal."

This is from 2019!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...stein-why-has-he-been-arrested-again-n1027241
In February, the Justice Department opened an investigation into how federal lawyers handled Epstein's case after Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., wrote a series of letters to the department demanding to know why the government cut what he called a "sweetheart deal" with Epstein.

Let that sink in. Trump did NOT go after Epstein until his third year in office and only because a Republican U.S. Senator was putting pressure to see that investigation opened. (It's a damn shame that senator was not Rand Paul). And after Epstein was "suicided", AG Barr closed that part of the investigation. I'm glad Epstein's girlfriend got arrested after months of media pressure and speculation. Trump is not in control of everything the DOJ does. If he was there never would have been a Russia investigation. So *gasp* maybe there are actually some people at DOJ willing to do their job! Maybe, after getting started on the investigation thanks to Ben Sass' prodding, some people at DOJ aren't willing to let it go simply because Epstein is dead.

I fully understand Anti Federalist's point of voting for Trump out of self preservation. I also understand my friends on the left who will vote for Biden/Harris out of a sense of self preservation. I get it. A lot of people are scared. Maybe both sides are right to be scared. Maybe neither side is right. Don't know. Don't care. But I've been wading through a lot of bvll$#@! over the past 48 hours from both sides. Trump isn't the demon lord my friends on the left think he is. Nor is the the 4D chess playing, tactical nukes that somehow don't kill children wielding, uberman that some of my friends on the right think he is. He is an empty suit. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. This thread is really about him donating to Kamala Harris. Maybe he did it for a nude selfie. We know from her relationship with a still married, though "separated" Willie Brown that she didn't mind trading sexual favors for political gain. Or maybe the guy that cheered on the Hillary Clinton supporting prosecutor who railroaded the Central Park 6 simply likes democratic, female, tough as nails prosecutors who stick it to innocent black men. Who knows. Who care. But saint he ain't.

Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just had to go on an anti-Trump tirade. Its good, got to get that bad energy out.

 

[Ender]

Dude is a hoot, SMH, I didn't know whether to or

Imagine the response if it was Obama, instead of Trump.

 

[jmdrake]

Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just had to go on an anti-Trump tirade. Its good, got to get that bad energy out.

Sorry. I should have responded to your comment by itself so you didn't feel like the "tirade" wasn't against you. And it wasn't an "anti-Trump" tirade as much as it was an "anti-Trump-devote" tirade. Anyway, I read what you wrote and I responded to it. Trump kept calling Epstein after the "He's a terrific guy" comment. Make of that what you will.

 

[devil21]

Watch him not admit that Trump expelled Epstein from his club after I posted the evidence he did.
Just like he won't admit that Trump was being sarcastic when he said Epstein was a great guy even as he jabbed him about underage girls.

The "evidence" is a claim in a book, which was solely sourced from a civil lawsuit court filing. That's it. That's the entire source of the claim of Trump banning Epstein. A court filing. Must be true since court filings are all truthful and accurate, right?

But wait, then there's the other court filing alleging that Trump raped a 13 year old, along with Derschowitz. Well crap, there goes the theory that court filings are all true, right?

So yeah, in order to live in the Trumpkin la-la land you have to have the power to know which allegations in court filings are true and which ones are false. It's so amazing how Trumpkins are able to discern literally every fact from fiction regardless of how much corroborating supports one or the other! A high feat indeed! Until it is realized that the propaganda mantra is: "If it's negative about Donald, it's a lie. If it's positive about Donald, it's the truth." That's the extent of Trumpkin discernment.

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And let's not forget that the Podesta emails indicate Maya Harris attending a Podesta pizza party. Seems the overwhelming evidence here is that they're ALL a bunch of pedos that can't stop themselves from defiling children and is a big part of why they run for office against each other, donate to each other and appoint each other to important decision-making government posts. It's the only way their criminal behavior goes unpunished. And with Mossad sitting on the photographic evidence to ensure their compliance in case any one suddenly gets a conscience. Notice who Kamala's husband is? Yep, they're -always- involved.

 

[jmdrake]

The "evidence" is a claim in a book, which was solely sourced from a civil lawsuit court filing. That's it. That's the entire source of the claim of Trump banning Epstein. A court filing. Must be true since court filings are all truthful and accurate, right?

But wait, then there's the other court filing alleging that Trump raped a 13 year old, along with Derschowitz. Well crap, there goes the theory that court filings are all true, right?

So yeah, in order to live in the Trumpkin la-la land you have to have the power to know which allegations in court filings are true and which ones are false. It's so amazing how Trumpkins are able to discern literally every fact from fiction regardless of how much corroborating supports one or the other! A high feat indeed! Until it is realized that the propaganda mantra is: "If it's negative about Donald, it's a lie. If it's positive about Donald, it's the truth." That's the extent of Trumpkin discernment.

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And let's not forget that the Podesta emails indicate Maya Harris attending a Podesta pizza party. Seems the overwhelming evidence here is that they're ALL a bunch of pedos that can't stop themselves from defiling children and is a big part of why they run for office against each other, donate to each other and appoint each other to important decision-making government posts. It's the only way their criminal behavior goes unpunished. And with Mossad sitting on the photographic evidence to ensure their compliance in case any one suddenly gets a conscience. Notice who Kamala's husband is? Yep, they're -always- involved.

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

Jeffrey Epstein's whole schtick was to try to entice powerful people into pedo honey traps to blackmail them. I'll buy Trump didn't fall into that trap. I won't buy that Trump wasn't approached early and often especially considering Trump's love for younger women (though not THAT young). That means Trump was letting Epstein hang around vulnerable teenagers including the 16 y/o that worked from Trump that Epstein and his girlfriend recruited and repeatedly molested. And Trump kept calling Epstein after kicking him out of Mar-a-lago.

 

[devil21]

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

Jeffrey Epstein's whole schtick was to try to entice powerful people into pedo honey traps to blackmail them. I'll buy Trump didn't fall into that trap. I won't buy that Trump wasn't approached early and often especially considering Trump's love for younger women (though not THAT young). That means Trump was letting Epstein hang around vulnerable teenagers including the 16 y/o that worked from Trump that Epstein and his girlfriend recruited and repeatedly molested. And Trump kept calling Epstein after kicking him out of Mar-a-lago.

Given what we've seen as the culmination of all the evidence, none of them are getting within spitting distance of the WH unless they've been caught on photographic media being very, very bad. Like immediate -career-ending, do not pass go and collect $200, go straight to jail- type bad. That would certainly include Trump, who received billions in free media publicity in 2016, as compared to Dr. Paul's "he who shall not be named" treatments by the same media.

 

[Firestarter]

Jeffrey Epstein's whole schtick was to try to entice powerful people into pedo honey traps to blackmail them. I'll buy Trump didn't fall into that trap. I won't buy that Trump wasn't approached early and often especially considering Trump's love for younger women (though not THAT young). That means Trump was letting Epstein hang around vulnerable teenagers including the 16 y/o that worked from Trump that Epstein and his girlfriend recruited and repeatedly molested. And Trump kept calling Epstein after kicking him out of Mar-a-lago.

Trump only expelled Epstein from the Mar-a-Lago a couple of weeks AFTER Epstein pleaded guilty as part of the sweetheart deal with Alexander Acosta...

Besides the lawsuit against Trump for raping the 13-year-old "Katie" and Maria (12 years), there are more stories on Trump's sick interest in underage girls (besides being a buddy to more than a handful of pedos).



In 2005, on the Howard Stern show Donald Trump boasted on why he bought the Miss Teen USA pageant:

Before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it. You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good. You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay? And you see these incredible looking women.

These “women” were 15-17 year-old girls.
Trump wasn’t lying for a change.

According to 5 girls, in 1997 during the Miss Teen USA pageant Donald Trump walked into the dressing area where they were changing. The youngest of these girls was 15 at the time.
One of them called it “shocking” and “creepy” and said she quickly covered herself.
Another recalled that the contestants were “just scrambling to grab stuff… whatever garments they had”.
A third described is as “really shocking … We were all naked”.

The fourth, who was 17, thought it seemed “it was his given right … because he owned the pageant”.

Former Miss Vermont Teen USA Mariah Billado said:

I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’.
Trump said something like, ‘Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.’

Billado said something about what happened to the 15-year-old Ivanka Trump, who replied “Yeah. He does that...”: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...y-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

Trump was also a good friend of another paedophile, John Casablancas, who was reportedly part of a group of model scouts that were “bedding models as young as 12 on a routine basis”.
See Trump and Casablancas in 1994.

Trump has bragged about his partying days with Casablancas:

You had drugs, women and booze all over the fuckin’ place.
If I hadn’t got married, who knows what would have happened?
I don’t think anybody had more sex than I did. Sex was all over the fucking place.
I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the room. There were seven of them and each one was getting screwed by a different guy.

Casablancas was an associate of Haddad and Jean Luc Brunel of MC2. Brunel was a known associate of none other than Jeffrey Epstein (and sexually abused girls from Epstein´s stable).
Brunel and Haddad have been accused of violent rape. On camera Haddad once chuckled about drugging and raping 13 year old girls.

One week after her 16th birthday, John Casablancas moved in with Stephanie Seymour.
In 2002, Casablancas was sued by a former model who claimed that he had raped her when she was 15. The lawsuit was settled for an undisclosed amount.

Casablancas then served on Trumps board in Brazil.
Casablancas, 51 at the time, married his last and final wife when she was only 17. He met her at The Elite Look of the Year competition, which he exported to Brazil with the help of Trump and Paolo Zampolli.

And the “modelling career” of Ivanka Trump started when aged 13 she signed to the Elite Model Management of Casablancas


(...)


Donald Trump himself ran a model agency, whose parties to finalise deals included young girls and cocaine.

An fashion photographer said that Trump hosted parties at the Plaza Hotel, where young women and girls were introduced to older, richer men. The photographer said he attended Trump’s parties with one of the owners of the hair salon, Pierre Michel:

The girls were as young as 15, he says, and “over their heads, they had no idea, and they ended up in situations.
There were always dramas because the men threw money and drugs at them to keep them enticed. It’s based on power and dominating girls who can’t push back and can be discarded. There’s always someone to pick them back up. Nobody wants to call home and say ‘Help me.’

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer, who added that “I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor” but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

Andy Lucchesi, who organized Trump’s parties, answered the question “How old were the girls men had sex with at Donald Trump's parties?”, with the vague:

A lot of girls, 14, look 24. That’s as juicy as I can get. I never asked how old they were; I just partook. I did partake in activities that would be controversial, too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Trafficking&p=6738618&viewfull=1#post6738618

 

[jmdrake]

Trump only expelled Epstein from the Mar-a-Lago a couple of weeks AFTER Epstein pleaded guilty as part of the sweetheart deal with Alexander Acosta...

I can't stand Trump, but I try to stick to the evidence. What evidence do you have of ^this? The Alex Acosta plea deal occurred in 2008.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...27194a-7e99-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

My understanding is Epstein was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago prior to 2002 when Trump said Epstein was a "terrific guy."

Hmmmm....looks like I was wrong on that. Epstein was kicked out in 2007.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/04/de...ein-was-a-mar-a-lago-member-new-book_partner/

So....Epstein was kicked out before the deal, but long after the pedophilia allegations against him had surfaced and long after Trump had called Epstein a "terrific guy" who "likes em young." (2002). In fact Trump was on a list of an Epstein dinner party in 2003.


In a 2003 New York Magazine article, Trump is listed as one of Epstein's dinner guests at his Manhattan townhouse. At one of Epstein's dinner parties (it's unclear if Trump was in attendance), one guest reportedly "amused a group of barely clad models with card tricks".

Besides the lawsuit against Trump for raping the 13-year-old "Katie" and Maria (12 years), there are more stories on Trump's sick interest in underage girls (besides being a buddy to more than a handful of pedos).

Yeah. Both of those lawsuits were dropped. Concerning nonetheless.

In 2005, on the Howard Stern show Donald Trump boasted on why he bought the Miss Teen USA pageant:

These “women” were 15-17 year-old girls.
Trump wasn’t lying for a change.

According to 5 girls, in 1997 during the Miss Teen USA pageant Donald Trump walked into the dressing area where they were changing. The youngest of these girls was 15 at the time.
One of them called it “shocking” and “creepy” and said she quickly covered herself.
Another recalled that the contestants were “just scrambling to grab stuff… whatever garments they had”.
A third described is as “really shocking … We were all naked”.

The fourth, who was 17, thought it seemed “it was his given right … because he owned the pageant”.

Former Miss Vermont Teen USA Mariah Billado said:
Billado said something about what happened to the 15-year-old Ivanka Trump, who replied “Yeah. He does that...”: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...y-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

WTF? Okay. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] I still respect your defensive vote for this creep but....this is disgusting.

Trump did once say if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-date-daughter/ Joke I know....but some jokes aren't funny.

 

[Anti Federalist]

WTF? Okay. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] I still respect your defensive vote for this creep but....this is disgusting.

Trump did once say if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-date-daughter/ Joke I know....but some jokes aren't funny.

[MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]

I got nothing...I was aware of this...I know the man, on a personal level, is a reprobate billionaire playboy.

He'd probably catch less heat if it was teen age boys he was ogling.

Could be too, since he claims a strong faith in Christ, that he has repented of these sins and no longer does such things in his personal life. It was 20+ years ago after all.

I'm on the record opposing Clinton's impeachment based solely on his sexual encounters with Lewinsky, who, while certainly of consent age, was still very young and vulnerable.

How I do wish that the Amerikunt public preferred morally upright people like, oh, I dunno, Ron Paul, as leading political figures and presidents.

But they do not...we've got Trump and his known failings, Biden and his well established habits of groping, grabbing, sniffing and fondling of women of all ages, and the still credible but ignored accusations of Tara Reade, and a woman, Harris, that seems to have no problem fellating herself up the power ladder.

The only straight arrow of the bunch appears to be Mike Pence, who most people can't stand either.

I maintain that I have no choice this time around, as the left has become so bold as to openly advocate their plans for the country, to vote for that which will hurt me less.

Liberty folks refuse to take the fight to the streets, which is where we should be and where our enemies are, and beat the Bolshies and Jacobins to a literal bloody pulp, so as to repudiate their ideology and desires once and for all.

So I have no other choice but to play in the political cesspool.

 

[jmdrake]

[MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]

I got nothing...I was aware of this...I know the man, on a personal level, is a reprobate billionaire playboy.

He'd probably catch less heat if it was teen age boys he was ogling.

Could be too, since he claims a strong faith in Christ, that he has repented of these sins and no longer does such things in his personal life. It was 20+ years ago after all.

I'm on the record opposing Clinton's impeachment based solely on his sexual encounters with Lewinsky, who, while certainly of consent age, was still very young and vulnerable.

How I do wish that the Amerikunt public preferred morally upright people like, oh, I dunno, Ron Paul, as leading political figures and presidents.

But they do not...we've got Trump and his known failings, Biden and his well established habits of groping, grabbing, sniffing and fondling of women of all ages, and the still credible but ignored accusations of Tara Reade, and a woman, Harris, that seems to have no problem fellating herself up the power ladder.

The only straight arrow of the bunch appears to be Mike Pence, who most people can't stand either.

I maintain that I have no choice this time around, as the left has become so bold as to openly advocate their plans for the country, to vote for that which will hurt me less.

Liberty folks refuse to take the fight to the streets, which is where we should be and where our enemies are, and beat the Bolshies and Jacobins to a literal bloody pulp, so as to repudiate their ideology and desires once and for all.

So I have no other choice but to play in the political cesspool.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

I fully agree. I was explaining about Biden's accusations and Kamala being a political prostitute to someone today as to why I won't vote for them either. And again, we live in different states. Trump won Tennessee with nearly 70% of the vote last time. He's got a lock on my state. So I can vote NOTA. Even though she ain't perfect I'll most likely vote Jo Jorgenson. I will give the constitution party candidate a looksey. Last time the CP failed to get on the ballot in Tennessee. (That was not the case in 2008 and 2012).

 

[eleganz]

I'm right on my point that Trump wasn't simply hedging his bets. You want to crow about an extreme "I bet it was zero" comment? Cool. Great. It wasn't zero. Now back to the subject at had. YOUR PUNK TRUMP GAVE FAR MORE TO DEMOCRATS THAN HE DID TO REPUBLICANS BEFORE DECIDING TO RUN AS ONE! So STFU.

Wow calm down. Why the heck are you raging out after being proven wrong? Just admit it or walk away.

Clean yourself up, you're a damn mess.

Facts > Emotions

 

[jmdrake]

Wow calm down. Why the heck are you raging out after being proven wrong? Just admit it or walk away.

Clean yourself up, you're a damn mess.

Facts > Emotions

My overall point was proven right. Worse the latest info shows Trump is a likely pedophile. But I'm calm about it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I fully agree. I was explaining about Biden's accusations and Kamala being a political prostitute to someone today as to why I won't vote for them either. And again, we live in different states. Trump won Tennessee with nearly 70% of the vote last time. He's got a lock on my state. So I can vote NOTA. Even though she ain't perfect I'll most likely vote Jo Jorgenson. I will give the constitution party candidate a looksey. Last time the CP failed to get on the ballot in Tennessee. (That was not the case in 2008 and 2012).

Exactly, and it bears repeating...If I lived in solid red or solid blue state, I'd write in Ron yet again.

In 2020, it's my outlook, on the ground here, that NH is in play, and NH and CD2 in Maine could end up deciding this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh...and FYI...

Mad Max was set in the year 2021.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My overall point was proven right. Worse the latest info shows Trump is a likely pedophile. But I'm calm about it.

Literally everything you said is wrong.