Donald Trump donated twice to Kamala Harris campaigns from 2011 - 2014

Sorry, but being a peeping tom is not being a pedo.
Many people who look at porn are not rapists.

You can keep repeating you accusations without proof as much as you like but it won't make them true.

Those who look at CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ARE PEDOPHILES! Those who peep on half naked children are also pedophiles! The key word here is children.

The key is that children cannot legally consent. They can't legally consent to having sex. They can't legally consent to being in pornographic films. They can't legally consent to voyeurism. If this was an adult beauty pageant and the participants consented to Trump coming in as they were half dressed, or even if they were butt naked, that wouldn't be being a peeping tom. But this wasn't an adult beauty pageant. They were children. Trump got his jollies looking at children. Anthony Wiener never raped anyone but he had child pornography on his computer and he sent naked pictures of himself to a child. In your world Anthony Wiener is not a pedophile. But he is a pedo in your world because he is a democrat.
 
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Those who look at CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ARE PEDOPHILES! Those who peep on half naked children are also pedophiles! The key word here is children.
Prepubescent=pedo
Postpubescent=not pedo

Ephebophilia
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. The term was originally used in the late 19th to mid 20th century. It is one of a number of sexual preferences across age groups subsumed under the technical term chronophilia.Wikipedia
 
What the....? Okay. These were underaged girls! If he was being a Peeping Tom on 21 year olds that would be one thing. But these were UNDERAGED GIRLS! I cannot believe you are even attempting to make this argument. Seriously I can't. I thought you'd come back with "Well they were half dressed - glass half full - they must have been dressed enough." But I can't believe you would concede the peeping tom point but draw the line on the pedo sand. You're right. I do think like a lawyer. There is no way I would let my client concede the peeping tom part but then try to argue that it wasn't pedophilia. Regardless, being a peeping tom is also a crime.
I am not defending what Trump said he did, I didn't bother with the half dressed argument because you would have dismissed it if I came up with it but since you have now given it credence and can't back out on that I will say it is undoubtedly what he meant.

And as a lawyer you should know that overcharging is a great way to let the guilty go free, declaring Trump a pedophile over what he said and now admitting that he probably only meant half dressed is total incompetence on your part, especially in addition to the facts that looking and touching are not the same thing and that pedophilia means prepubescent children.

If anything this proves Trump was not partaking of Epstein's goods, why would he need to buy a pageant to look at half dressed girls if he could get to actually touch any kind of girls he wanted t Epstein's locations?
 
Prepubescent=pedo
Postpubescent=not pedo

Ephebophilia
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. The term was originally used in the late 19th to mid 20th century. It is one of a number of sexual preferences across age groups subsumed under the technical term chronophilia.Wikipedia

Fine. Then Trump's buddy Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a pedophile either. His youngest victim was 14 and most girls have already gone through puberty then. Still sick. And if you don't think Trump knew about Jeffrey's preference for teenage girls long before Epstein was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago then you just aren't very bright.
 
I am not defending what Trump said he did, I didn't bother with the half dressed argument because you would have dismissed it if I came up with it but since you have now given it credence and can't back out on that I will say it is undoubtedly what he meant.

And as a lawyer you should know that overcharging is a great way to let the guilty go free, declaring Trump a pedophile over what he said and now admitting that he probably only meant half dressed is total incompetence on your part, especially in addition to the facts that looking and touching are not the same thing and that pedophilia means prepubescent children.

If anything this proves Trump was not partaking of Epstein's goods, why would he need to buy a pageant to look at half dressed girls if he could get to actually touch any kind of girls he wanted t Epstein's locations?

This isn't a case of "overcharging." Trump was gawking at women the same age range as Epstein was being prosecuted for. And at first my position was simply that Trump wasn't the "anti-pedo crusader" you, Dannno and Danke were attempting to make him out to be. But anything less than St. Trump wasn't good enough for you. Now the truth is out.
 
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Fine. Then Trump's buddy Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a pedophile either. His youngest victim was 14 and most girls have already gone through puberty then. Still sick. And if you don't think Trump knew about Jeffrey's preference for teenage girls long before Epstein was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago then you just aren't very bright.
Epstein was a pedo and a rapist:

Nine women are suing the estate of Jeffrey Epstein based on decades-old abuse allegations dating as far back as 1978.
“In or about 1978, and continuing for a period of time thereafter, when Plaintiff Jane Doe XIV was approximately thirteen years old, Epstein sexually assaulted, abused, battered and raped her multiple times,” the lawsuit alleges. “As a result of the aforementioned sexual abuse, Plaintiff Jane Doe XIV suffered, and continues to suffer from severe and serious injuries including, but not limited to, severe emotional distress and physical manifestations thereof.”
This appears to be the oldest known allegation of sexual abuse against Epstein. The 1978 claim is three years after Epstein taught teens at the Dalton School, an elite institution that was helmed by Attorney General William Barr’s father Donald Barr.
Another Jane Doe plaintiff alleges that Epstein began sexually abusing her even before she was a teenager.
“In or about 1993, when Plaintiff Jane Doe XIII was approximately eleven years old, Epstein sexually assaulted, abused, battered and digitally penetrated her on three, separate occasions,” the lawsuit continues. “Epstein also forced Plaintiff to perform oral sex on him.”
Three of the other plaintiffs claim to have been sexually abused by Epstein as part of his “massive sex trafficking network” while they were minors; four women say they were sexually assaulted by Epstein when they were adults. According to the lawsuit, the sexual abuse against some of the plaintiffs continued until 2004.

More at: https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/law...8-3-years-after-working-at-the-dalton-school/

And Trump did know because he was investigating him, Trump was the one who had him arrested both times and the one who kept reminding people about his proclivities
 
This isn't a case of "overcharging." Trump was gawking at women the same age range as Epstein was being prosecuted for. And at first my position was simply that Trump wasn't the "anti-pedo crusader" you, Dannno and Danke were attempting to make him out to be. But anything less than St. Trump wasn't good enough for you. Now the truth is out.
It's exactly overcharging as I clearly showed and Trump is the anti-pedo crusader as has been shown many times but you keep ignoring.
Nobody said he is or was a saint.
 
Epstein was a pedo and a rapist:

Nine women are suing the estate of Jeffrey Epstein based on decades-old abuse allegations dating as far back as 1978.
“In or about 1978, and continuing for a period of time thereafter, when Plaintiff Jane Doe XIV was approximately thirteen years old, Epstein sexually assaulted, abused, battered and raped her multiple times,” the lawsuit alleges. “As a result of the aforementioned sexual abuse, Plaintiff Jane Doe XIV suffered, and continues to suffer from severe and serious injuries including, but not limited to, severe emotional distress and physical manifestations thereof.”
This appears to be the oldest known allegation of sexual abuse against Epstein. The 1978 claim is three years after Epstein taught teens at the Dalton School, an elite institution that was helmed by Attorney General William Barr’s father Donald Barr.
Another Jane Doe plaintiff alleges that Epstein began sexually abusing her even before she was a teenager.
“In or about 1993, when Plaintiff Jane Doe XIII was approximately eleven years old, Epstein sexually assaulted, abused, battered and digitally penetrated her on three, separate occasions,” the lawsuit continues. “Epstein also forced Plaintiff to perform oral sex on him.”
Three of the other plaintiffs claim to have been sexually abused by Epstein as part of his “massive sex trafficking network” while they were minors; four women say they were sexually assaulted by Epstein when they were adults. According to the lawsuit, the sexual abuse against some of the plaintiffs continued until 2004.

More at: https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/law...8-3-years-after-working-at-the-dalton-school/

And Trump did know because he was investigating him, Trump was the one who had him arrested both times and the one who kept reminding people about his proclivities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty

On average, girls begin puberty at ages 10–11 and complete puberty at ages 15–17; boys generally begin puberty at ages 11–12 and complete puberty at ages 16–17.[1][2][3] The major landmark of puberty for females is menarche, the onset of menstruation, which occurs on average between ages 12 and 13.


Going by your definition even raping a 13 y/o doesn't make Epstein a pedophile, because your definition is pre puberty. A 13 year old girl is mid puberty. Regardless Trump and Epstein's perverted sexual desires overlapped. And Epstein's pattern was to get powerful men involved with under aged girls so that he could blackmail them. There's no way Epstein would not have approached Trump. And Trump's "Terrific guy...but he likes them young" comment came in 2002 which was well BEFORE Epstein was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago. Going by the fact that Trump was peeping in on girls as young as 15, that means that Trump must have known Epstein was liking girls even younger.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty

On average, girls begin puberty at ages 10–11 and complete puberty at ages 15–17; boys generally begin puberty at ages 11–12 and complete puberty at ages 16–17.[1][2][3] The major landmark of puberty for females is menarche, the onset of menstruation, which occurs on average between ages 12 and 13.


Going by your definition even raping a 13 y/o doesn't make Epstein a pedophile, because your definition is pre puberty. A 13 year old girl is mid puberty. Regardless Trump and Epstein's perverted sexual desires overlapped. And Epstein's pattern was to get powerful men involved with under aged girls so that he could blackmail them. There's no way Epstein would not have approached Trump. And Trump's "Terrific guy...but he likes them young" comment came in 2002 which was well BEFORE Epstein was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago. Going by the fact that Trump was peeping in on girls as young as 15, that means that Trump must have known Epstein was liking girls even younger.
Read it again, Epstein raped an 11 year old.

And you are not POST pubescent until puberty is over.

Trump did know because he was investigating him, Trump was the one who had him arrested both times and the one who kept reminding people about his proclivities.

The Chinese-controlled TikTok social media app is fostering degeneracy in the West by design, and they are enabling pedophilia and gender bending among children by promoting the #FemBoys hashtag on the social media platform.
VICE profiled this Femboy fad as a “wholesome trend” in which gay and straight teenagers are encouraged to wear dresses and prance around for the delight of pedophiles worldwide.
“Femboys – not to be confused with their slightly more sinister cyber-cousin, e-boys – are people who identify as male or non-binary but present themselves in more traditionally feminine ways, such as through their appearance, personality or general disposition,” wrote VICE contributor Dani Ran.


“Look through the #femboy hashtag and you’ll find hundreds of young men wearing nail varnish, twirling in skirts, crop-tops and dresses,” Ran added.
VICE highlighted a seventeen-year-old femboy named Seth, who has been promoted on the platform under the hashtag #femboyfriday. The China-based company is providing a platform for these confused and unsuspecting children to essentially pimp themselves out to pedophiles.
“I wasn’t aware that there were tons of other boys like me, so the term [femboy] gave me a community,” Seth said to VICE.
“When I first started posting my femboy TikToks, the community was so accepting and kind and even loving. Everyone loved what I posted and loved what I wore, which boosted my confidence immensely and made me feel accepted,” a 16-year-old femboy who goes by the name Jaydden said.
But not everyone is on board with this sickening trend. Many concerned individuals are disgusted and pushing back against this China-enabled degeneracy that is taking hold across the West.
“Over time, my videos reached the wrong side of TikTok and I received thousands of hateful and homophobic comments,” femboy Jaydden said. “It made me feel horrible for just being me and expressing myself.”
Nevertheless, these femboys will continue to encourage other children to become fodder for predators and further the West down a dark road.
“The femboy trend on TikTok shows that more men nowadays are comfortable with their sexuality and masculinity, and that clothing does not define any of that,” Jaydden said. “People can wear what they want without threatening their masculinity.”
Seth agreed: “Men often conflate femininity with weakness, when that is not at all the case.” Dressing femininely makes him feel liberated from societal restraints, he explains, and “people need to see men disregard traditional norms to deconstruct the toxic beliefs they’ve been taught – visibility is the first step necessary for change”.
TikTok is not the only social media platform that serves as a perverted buffet for abusers, as child porn is regularly traded over Twitter and other social media platforms.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/femboy...ender-bending/

Nothing to see here, just Trump fighting the pervs and traffickers again when he banned TikTok.
 
Epstein was a pedo and a rapist:

Nine women are suing the estate of Jeffrey Epstein based on decades-old abuse allegations dating as far back as 1978

Apparently, and I haven't verified this myself, and per one of our own members:

Trump only expelled Epstein from the Mar-a-Lago a couple of weeks AFTER Epstein pleaded guilty as part of the sweetheart deal with Alexander Acosta...

Besides the lawsuit against Trump for raping the 13-year-old "Katie" and Maria (12 years), there are more stories on Trump's sick interest in underage girls (besides being a buddy to more than a handful of pedos).

If that's true, any thoughts?

My thought is this; that's rather worse than Epstein, whose victims were considerably older.
 
Apparently, and I haven't verified this myself, one of our own members says as follows:



If that's true, any thoughts?

My thought is this; that's rather worse than Epstein, whose victims were considerably older.

The only case against Trump that I know of was dropped when it was shown the girl never existed and it was just someone fishing for a nuisance settlement, the FBI tried to link Trump to Epstein as part of their witch hunt and failed, I'm sure if there was anything real they would have used it.

And try reading again, Epstein raped an 11 year old. (although quibbling about exact ages is silly if you believe Trump raped anyone)
 
The only case against Trump that I know of was dropped when it was shown the girl never existed and it was just someone fishing for a nuisance settlement, the FBI tried to link Trump to Epstein as part of their witch hunt and failed, I'm sure if there was anything real they would have used it.

So firestarter made up out of whole cloth those two rape accusations against Trump, of 13 and 12 year old girls?

...I couldn't say, as I haven't checked, though now I will.

And try reading again, Epstein raped an 11 year old. (although quibbling about exact ages is silly if you believe Trump raped anyone)

Ah, I guess I missed that; I haven't been following it, but the youngest I heard about was 14 IIRC.

If the charge is forcible rape, as it was in at least a few cases, the age doesn't matter: 9 or 90.
 
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So firestarter made up out of whole cloth those two rape accusations against Trump, of 13 and 12 year old girls?

...I couldn't say, as I haven't checked, though now I will.

I didn't say he made them up out of whole cloth, that may be the same case I was talking about or it may be a different case that was probably just as fake.
The left and the MSM have already tried to tie Trump to Epstein and if there was any credible case against him they would use it.
 
I didn't say he made them up out of whole cloth, that may be the same case I was talking about or it may be a different case that was probably just as fake.

The left and the MSM have already tried to tie Trump to Epstein and if there was any credible case against him they would use it.

Year and years ago, Trump said something to the effect that "Jeff likes 'em young."

So, he didn't know?

I wonder why, after nearly four years, none of these people have been indicted, let alone prosecuted?

Bill Clinton was accused of several dozen rapes.

Well, anyway, vote Trump, He'S nOt a PoLitiCiaN...
 
Year and years ago, Trump said something to the effect that "Jeff likes 'em young."

So, he didn't know?

I wonder why, after nearly four years, none of these people have been indicted, let alone prosecuted?

Bill Clinton was accused of several dozen rapes.

Well, anyway, vote Trump, He'S nOt a PoLitiCiaN...

He did know, he was warning people and when he could he had Epstein arrested and then continued to remind people about him after he was given a sweetheart deal and then had him arrested again after becoming POTUS.
When Epstein was killed or had his death faked he had Maxwell arrested and had the US Attorney replaced who was covering for her.
 
He did know, he was warning people and when he could he had Epstein arrested and then continued to remind people about him after he was given a sweetheart deal and then had him arrested again after becoming POTUS.
When Epstein was killed or had his death faked he had Maxwell arrested and had the US Attorney replaced who was covering for her.

Are you telling me that you think that Trump is going to do something about this?

If so, get a grip man, I'm not the sort of person whom you ought to target with such bullshit.

Go find dumber people (there's no shortage).
 
that neither one operated from a purely ideological standpoint.

This is my outlook on politics these days and why Trump donating to Harris has no effect on me.

Trump is not an idealogue. He's "pro 2nd" but will negotiate with bump stocks. I see that as a slippery slope. However most of the GOP base doesn't care about bump stocks so neither does Trump.

Harris is no idealogue either. She's BLM, but also she mass incarcerates blacks. She's a me too feminist, but she also is a political whore. She likes smoking marijuana, but she won't bat an eye to lock someone up for it. She's an Indian one day and a black the next day--. Really she wants power like any politician.

Why did a New York business man with his fingers in every pie he can reach donate to her?. The hell if I know. Maybe Trump invested in a prison she was filling. Maybe his son was charged with a DUI out there. I don't know.

Trump's political genius is uniting traditional Reps and Dems by favoring single issue voters. For Reps he fights the culture war, abortion, gun rights, etc. For Dems he actually took on China tariffing our goods, kept us out of Syria and Iran, not turning the rest of the country into California which has become a political offshoot of Mexico due to mass immigration, etc. Once I understood this, he hasn't surprised me.

I am NOT proud to say that I WILL most likely be voting for him. I have accepted that America doesn't want a Ron Paul. Mostly I would like to return to the relatively sanity of the 1990s. I really do see Trump as the final wall before the Bolshevik revolution. This is my hope, but deep in my heart I am as cynical as devil21. It's one reason why I didn't really feel like arguing with jmdrake earlier, because he's probably right.

Trump's next term will be interesting. He has been loyal to his loyal base. After this election if he has no base to be loyal to (because he's not running again) what direction will he go? I still hope in Trump's heart his goal (after keeping his own power of course) is to truly keep us great. (Yeah, I cringed as I typed that last line) Although I have my doubts about Trump, I have absolutely no faith in Jo and Joe.

I am also aware that mathematically my vote means absolutely nothing.
 
This is my outlook on politics these days and why Trump donating to Harris has no effect on me.

Trump is not an idealogue. He's "pro 2nd" but will negotiate with bump stocks. I see that as a slippery slope. However most of the GOP base doesn't care about bump stocks so neither does Trump.

Yes, it is...but when nobody cares, what can you do?

Harris is no idealogue either. She's BLM, but also she mass incarcerates blacks. She's a me too feminist, but she also is a political whore. She likes smoking marijuana, but she won't bat an eye to lock someone up for it. She's an Indian one day and a black the next day--. Really she wants power like any politician.

And has no compunction about pulling any stunt to get it, including fellating her way up the ladder.

Why did a New York business man with his fingers in every pie he can reach donate to her?[/B]. The hell if I know. Maybe Trump invested in a prison she was filling. Maybe his son was charged with a DUI out there. I don't know.

Reprobate billionaire playboys spread the wealth around, greasing the skids in all directions. Or maybe his political donations are taken care of by staffers and not him. Maybe he was planning some major development in her district.

I am NOT proud to say that I WILL most likely be voting for him.

I'm not particularly happy about doing the same thing myself. But I'm left with no choice.

I have accepted that America doesn't want a Ron Paul.

Nope...most bitter political pill I've ever had to swallow..."freedom is NOT popular".

Mostly I would like to return to the relatively sanity of the 1990s.

I'd take that in a second...and the music was much better.

I really do see Trump as the final wall before the Bolshevik revolution.

He is, which is why he has my vote, among other reasons. But make no mistake, the Bolsheviks and Jacobins are not going anywhere. They will continue to fight and to win in the streets, becoming more and more aggressive as they see they have no real resistance. The best thing we can hope for now is that they follow their war game plans and secede, since "we" have not the will or the stones to fight back. We got the numbers and the arms and the ammo...but those are all expensive fishing weights for all teh good they are doing us.

This is my hope, but deep in my heart I am as cynical as devil21. It's one reason why I didn't really feel like arguing with jmdrake earlier, because he's probably right.

Guys like devil21 and PAF and a number of others who are "sovereign citizens" have my deep respect, I wish I could join them. But the fact is I have already been down that road, and frankly, I'm too old and tired to be looking over my shoulder every second, wondering when the axe is going to fall.

Trump's next term will be interesting. He has been loyal to his loyal base. After this election if he has no base to be loyal to (because he's not running again) what direction will he go? I still hope in Trump's heart his goal (after keeping his own power of course) is to truly keep us great. (Yeah, I cringed as I typed that last line) Although I have my doubts about Trump, I have absolutely no faith in Jo and Joe.

Assuming that happens (a BIG assumption) you are right. There's no telling where he may go with re-election pressure on him.

I am also aware that mathematically my vote means absolutely nothing.

Here in NH, mine conceivablely could.
 
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