DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

[angelatc]

So people who like the Constitution are supporting the enforcement of an unconstitutional law?

We aren't. We are just frustrated with the fat little fuck that thought it didn't apply to him.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So, why isn't Benton resigning again?

I have no idea but (contrary to what you seem to be implying) I find it extremely improbable that he's trying to harm Rand's campaign (or so inept that it never crossed his mind that resigning might help Rand). Who knows (hint: you and I do not) what exactly might be going on behind the scenes. I'm not going to second guess them.

I agree with that. We don't. Based on Rand's recent polling, we are justified in that sentiment.

Soldiers might be justified in criticizing their general for some error; it doesn't change the fact that abandoning him, dropping their weapons, and running is more likely to get them killed.

A badly led army is still superior to a confused, infighting mob.

 

[angelatc]

Soldiers might be justified in criticizing their general for some error; it doesn't change the fact that abandoning him, dropping their weapons, and running is more likely to get them killed.

A badly led army is still superior to a confused, infighting mob.

Perhaps the error here is thinking that we signed up for this? This is a popularity contest he's trying to win. If he has to toss us under a bus to win an election, I'm ok with that. But he isn't winning. His poll numbers are dropping, and I think it's probable that Fiorina will replace him in the next debate.

The PAC that Benton runs didn't raise very much money. What messaging are they putting out?

Forgive me, but I see lots of things happening this cycle that happened in both 2008 and 2012. And since I have not had a frontal lobotomy, I am not prepared to sing happy songs and pretend that this time things wil be different. Because they are not. They are, in fact, exactly the same.

Well, except Ron was polling higher.

So either tell me exactly what wonderful things Benton has done for this campaign, name the victories he is bringing us, or get over the fact that we have no faith in the man and we are resentful of the fact that he's pocketing more money than most of us make in 10 years while slowly killing the last remnants of the hope we once held.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's as simple as that.

Perhaps the error here is thinking that we signed up for this? This is a popularity contest he's trying to win. If he has to toss us under a bus to win an election, I'm ok with that. But he isn't winning. His poll numbers are dropping, and I think it's probable that Fiorina will replace him in the next debate.

The PAC that Benton runs didn't raise very much money. What messaging are they putting out?

Forgive me, but I see lots of things happening this cycle that happened in both 2008 and 2012. And since I have not had a frontal lobotomy, I am not prepared to sing happy songs and pretend that this time things wil be different. Because they are not. They are, in fact, exactly the same.

Well, except Ron was polling higher.

So either tell me exactly what wonderful things Benton has done for this campaign, name the victories he is bringing us, or get over the fact that we have no faith in the man and we are resentful of the fact that he's pocketing more money than most of us make in 10 years while slowly killing the last remnants of the hope we once held.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I've said my piece, do as you will.

 

[phill4paul]

Soldiers might be justified in criticizing their general for some error; it doesn't change the fact that abandoning him, dropping their weapons, and running is more likely to get them killed.

And sometimes a retreat allows one to fight another day instead of becoming just cannon fodder on a forgotten hill. Aren't analogies fun?

 

[PRB]

How are obstruction, fraud and conspiracy punishments unconstitutional?

Punishments are not, the prosecution might be.

FEC laws are largely unconstitutional because it prohibits free speech and free transactions, I'm not saying Benton did it, I'm saying even if he did he's not supposed to be guilty if we had a free country that allowed people to spend moeny as they please.

 

[PRB]

Fair enough. Nixon had his supporters too.




Now that I won't do, because there's no need.

You're comparing Ron & Rand to Nixon?

Go ahead and give excuses not to answer.

 

[angelatc]

You're comparing Ron & Rand to Nixon?

Go ahead and give excuses not to answer.

You're comparing Ron & Rand to Nixon?

Go ahead and give excuses not to answer.

I am comparing people who held steadfast to the blind faith they had in Nixon to the people who have that blind faith in Ron, Rand and Jesse. God bless 'em.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ken Buck had not a single thing in common with the movement, not then and not now. He is now in the House. Would you like to provide a list of his liberty oriented votes since his election? I'll wait.

In Ron's opinion, as I recall, he thought the other guy was so horribly bad, that it was important that Buck won instead. Michael's (Daily Paul) letter is posted on these forums somewhere, if you really want to know more detail. Or ask Ron himself.

I'm of the mind that Ron didn't do much of his staff picking, regardless of what he claimed. Enter Benton and Rothfeld, et al, who I am convinced are not and never were friends of the movement.

Friends of the movement? lol If you want to run a successful campaign, you make sure that you have a couple of true believers, but the rest, you'd damn well better hire the best talent that you can find and keep them within boundaries.

My eyes are wide open. There are very big stakes in this game and anyone still carrying today the same naivete' that they carried 7 years ago hasn't learned a thing.

Maybe. But, if you are thinking that the best thing to do is to only hire true believers, regardless of skill at winning campaigns, then you are still harboring a ton of naivete.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Perhaps the error here is thinking that we signed up for this? This is a popularity contest he's trying to win. If he has to toss us under a bus to win an election, I'm ok with that. But he isn't winning. His poll numbers are dropping, and I think it's probable that Fiorina will replace him in the next debate.

The PAC that Benton runs didn't raise very much money. What messaging are they putting out?

Forgive me, but I see lots of things happening this cycle that happened in both 2008 and 2012. And since I have not had a frontal lobotomy, I am not prepared to sing happy songs and pretend that this time things wil be different. Because they are not. They are, in fact, exactly the same.

Well, except Ron was polling higher.

So either tell me exactly what wonderful things Benton has done for this campaign, name the victories he is bringing us, or get over the fact that we have no faith in the man and we are resentful of the fact that he's pocketing more money than most of us make in 10 years while slowly killing the last remnants of the hope we once held.

Yeah, it's pretty sucky alright. The media has been hard at Rand for over a month now. I've just been going to google news and searching for Rand and nothing but one hit piece after another has been popping up for quite some time now. And he has gotten very few interviews. ugh

I personally think the GOP establishment has set the fix for Jeb to be the nominee. The conservative vote is so split right now, that not a one of them are going to have the numbers. If Rand is going to break free, we are going to need a miracle. I am still hoping and praying for one.

 

[fr33]

In Ron's opinion, as I recall, he thought the other guy was so horribly bad, that it was important that Buck won instead. Michael's (Daily Paul) letter is posted on these forums somewhere, if you really want to know more detail. Or ask Ron himself.

While you're at it, ask Ron why his hired help bribed politicians and why we should trust Jesse Benton.

It's not like Ron will give you an answer. How the f do you ask Ron these things? He emails me all the time grifting for money but never responds.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I can see you're having a hard time here, so let me help you out. Let me give you some Secret Inside Insight into traditional culture norms. A man who you think is an excellent human being, who you think of and indeed want as an ally, you do not call that man an imbecile, no matter how qualified. You do not say to other people behind his back "Old Pete, my good friend, he sure is an imbecile on automotive matters". You could say something like "Tom is weak in this area" or "I disagree with some of Tom's ideas about politics". Now that may seem a very minor, semantic point to you. I understand that in 15-year-old Youtube-comment culture it's probably just fine to call everyone an imbecile all the time and no one should think anything of it and that's all great. That is a degenerate culture. In civilized culture, people whom you respect, you treat with respect.

"Evidenced"! Oh wow, evidenced. That sounds very official. Just short of "proven". Sounds like an open-and-shut case.

Wait, just how is a man's knowledge of practical politics evidenced/proven?

Tom Woods has a popular podcast, several best-selling books, an extensive network of important people who like and respect him, and to sum up: a large and loyal following. r3volution3.0 has.......... what, exactly? Which of these two men is more influential?

There's practical politics for you.

Revolution is right. Tom Woods IS an imbecile when it comes to politics. He's brilliant at other things and I am sure is a great man, but he doesn't know crap about running campaigns, or anything political for that matter.

 

[LibertyEagle]

While you're at it, ask Ron why his hired help bribed politicians and why we should trust Jesse Benton.

It's not like Ron will give you an answer. How the f do you ask Ron these things? He emails me all the time grifting for money but never responds.

I'm not going to message Ron. If you want to know, you go for it.

Just a bunch of frickin' quitters here. lol. About all that is left on this site are the dregs. Won't do a damn thing to help. But, oh, how you will complain and pat each other on the back for who quit first.

Have fun, boys.

 

[timosman]

While you're at it, ask Ron why his hired help bribed politicians and why we should trust Jesse Benton.

It's not like Ron will give you an answer. How the f do you ask Ron these things? He emails me all the time grifting for money but never responds.

The best part is they were using some kind of creative marketing back in May. That's why I actually showed up in this forum. It seems it was all bogus -
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?475674-FW-Please-contact-FirstName-LastName

 

[fr33]

I'm not going to message Ron. If you want to know, you go for it.

Again, how should I do this? You say to ask him. It seems impossible unless I'm willing to hire him for tens of thousands of dollars to speak. I've only given him a few thousands over the years. That apparently isn't worth it to him to give a response.

Just a bunch of frickin' quitters here. lol. About all that is left on this site are the dregs. Won't do a damn thing to help. But, oh, how you will complain and pat each other on the back for who quit first.

Have fun, boys.

You know who had a lot of fun? Jesse Benton. He made almost 500k off us idiots in 2012. I'll cheer when he gets what's coming to him.

 

[Weston White]

Punishments are not, the prosecution might be.

FEC laws are largely unconstitutional because it prohibits free speech and free transactions, I'm not saying Benton did it, I'm saying even if he did he's not supposed to be guilty if we had a free country that allowed people to spend moeny as they please.

Upon reading the above, for some reason this sprang to mind:

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said... Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
— High School Principal, Billy Madison

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or to spend money, and related transactions; it is about false record keeping and making false statements during an official investigation.

 

[devil21]

In Ron's opinion, as I recall, he thought the other guy was so horribly bad, that it was important that Buck won instead. Michael's (Daily Paul) letter is posted on these forums somewhere, if you really want to know more detail. Or ask Ron himself.

You're suggesting Ron himself was writing fundraising emails and general press release items? Oooook. I'm pretty sure it was the fundraisers writing those emails and still are.

Friends of the movement? lol If you want to run a successful campaign, you make sure that you have a couple of true believers, but the rest, you'd damn well better hire the best talent that you can find and keep them within boundaries.

Maybe. But, if you are thinking that the best thing to do is to only hire true believers, regardless of skill at winning campaigns, then you are still harboring a ton of naivete.

They got to you, eh? Or 'your' handle at least. There's not much sense in hiring people that in most cases would not be on your side, regardless of how 'expert' you think they are. If they personally oppose your positions then they are not going to help you win. They will be happy to take the money and ensure you lose, however. Such is the human condition and why 'true believers' are the only way to win an insurgent campaign, unless your victory is part of their bigger plan. Considering some of the minds on this forum, it's obvious that some 'true believers' are every bit as 'expert' as the beltway gang, if not more.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Wow. I'm not expecting much news with Trump artificially sucking up everyone's polling (as intended) and people here care about an indictment that isn't on Rand's staff, no one has heard about and everyone has hated for 8 years?

The problem is we need to be recruiting new members to the liberty movement. That is why Ron's runs were wins even though he lost. It is the key. The liberty movement must grow and win new offices every election cycle.

Rand needs to attack the police state here not just spying or war there. That's in the news a lot right now. Come out hard against police beatings and murders. Ask why the cops are even armed here when they aren't in Britain.

Trump isn't meant to last, just soak up time like cain and others did before him. Rand must stay the ground, fight a clean war, and either win, or grow the liberty movement with honor.

 

[fr33]

The best part is they were using some kind of creative marketing back in May. That's why I actually showed up in this forum. It seems it was all bogus -
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?475674-FW-Please-contact-FirstName-LastName

It's bogus. I've seen when their emails claim that they need ## supporters from my zip code while there is no way there are that many supporters from my zip code. I have the benefit of living in a very rural area and knowing that they are just lying.

It's also bogus when they send out the emails claiming that they are going to take on the IRS with our donations. Taking on the IRS is a worthy cause and would gain support amongst many but you'll never find anything on Ron Paul's youtube channel or any of his websites that would promote such a struggle. To win against the IRS is very difficult. Instead they just get idiots that fall prey to fear mongering to give them money that will probably never be used against the IRS.