DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

[Carlybee]

not a benton fan, and this was definitely timed well by the DOJ, but this doesnt do hardly any damage long term...in 2 weeks, no one remembers.

Unless the media makes sure everyone remembers.

 

[Carlybee]

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[angelatc]

asking people not to believe the media and federal government is trolling, got it.

So you're begging us to believe those emails aren't real?

 

[angelatc]

he has money, he's a Paul.

Woah.

 

[New York For Paul]

Because I'm defending Paul & his associates for the same reason, to win. We can't afford to have mud slung on us and the media lying about us, it's bad enough that idiot Americans believe their lies, but people in the movement? We can't expect to win if we keep beating up people in our circle, in this case, it's Paul's FAMILY AND TRUSTED EMPLOYEE. Where would Campaign for Liberty be without Tate? Did you ever think about that?

It will be better off without Tate and company.

 

[PRB]

So you're begging us to believe those emails aren't real?

Yes.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Jessie's a nightmare, but I was wondering when someone was going to start chiming in about the merits of the charges.

I stated a couple of times in this thread, how I think it will play out wrt to the indictment's charges:

I think they'll skate on the conspiracy and false records charges.

But the feds will burn Benton on the "false statements to the FBI" charge. A USC 1001 conviction is very easy to obtain.

Jesse R. Benton, 37, of Louisville, Kentucky; John M. Tate, 53, of Warrenton, Virginia; and Dimitrios N. Kesari, 49, of Leesburg, Virginia, are charged by indictment with conspiracy, causing false records to obstruct a contemplated investigation, causing the submission of false campaign expenditure reports to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and engaging in a scheme to make false statements to the FEC. Benton is additionally charged with making false statements to the FBI

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/three...harged-concealing-payments-made-state-senator

That said, there's little doubt in my mind that the timing of the indictments are politically motivated.

 

[phill4paul]

I stated a couple of times in this thread, how I think it will play out wrt to the indictment's charges:

I think they'll skate on the conspiracy and false records charges.

But the feds will burn Benton on the "false statements to the FBI" charge. A USC 1001 conviction is very easy to obtain.



http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/three...harged-concealing-payments-made-state-senator

That said, there's little doubt in my mind that the timing of the indictments are politically motivated.

About the same as my assessment.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Well...there were some of us that said, over a year ago, that Rand should avoid Benton like the plague and have nothing to do with him.

Yeah, like virtually everyone! Anyone with any kind of moral compass and understanding knows: you don't associate yourself with bad people. That's it! It's simple! And anyone could see that the wheels were turning and the hammer was probably going to come down on Jesse & co. eventually. The wheels of justice just turn slowly in the United States. But there was an ongoing investigation, this was not a secret.

None of this is a surprise. Everyone, almost unanimously, on RPF saw this coming. You'd have to be a complete Collins to not.

And yet, Rand let him be head of his SuperPAC. Well, everyone makes choices. And then you live with them.

 

[Deborah K]

..... You'd have to be a complete Collins to not.......

LOL! Sorry, but that right thar is funny!

 

[phill4paul]

LOL! Sorry, but that right thar is funny!

No shit. Lmao.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Kind of ironic that someone that wanted conspiracy theorists to just go away was himself indicted for.....conspiracy.

Wow, that is too good. Thanks, phill.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Remember the two things Ron said at the end of every speech.

Spread the message.

Have fun.

And maybe he should have added a third maxim:

"Don't be a dishonest, unethical, shady criminal person while doing so, and distance yourself from those who are!"

 

[Texan4Life]

Is it to soon to say we dodged a bullet on this one? seems like media is on to bigger better things.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm not much disturbed by the indictment; it'll have zero long term impact on Rand's campaign.

I am, however, extremely disturbed by the reactions of some on this forum. Benton-phobia has never made any sense to me; I get the impression that a lot of liberty movement people scapegoated the man after their (unrealistically high) expectations weren't met in the last two cycles. I remember very clearly, in the spring of 2012, the sudden rise of Benton-phobia on the Daily Paul; and the people going after him were - almost to a man - the same ones trapped in denial about Ron's chances (by that point his chances were clearly 0%, just as a matter of delegate math). Then, naturally they started to turn on Ron "Well if Ron hired this guy he must be corrupt or stupid!" I don't care about Benton one way or the other, personally, but to see these sentiments bubbling up again, with people cheering on an obviously politically motivated federal prosecution of a liberty movement person, designed to harm the movement, in the midst of the most important campaign in the movement's history thus far, is disgusting and shameful.

 

[timosman]

I am, however, extremely disturbed by the reactions of some on this forum. Benton-phobia has never made any sense to me; I get the impression that a lot of liberty movement people scapegoated the man after their (unrealistically high) expectations weren't met in the last two cycles. I remember very clearly, in the spring of 2012, the sudden rise of Benton-phobia on the Daily Paul; and the people going after him were - almost to a man - the same ones trapped in denial about Ron's chances (by that point his chances were clearly 0%, just as a matter of delegate math). Then, naturally they started to turn on Ron "Well if Ron hired this guy he must be corrupt or stupid!" I don't care about Benton one way or the other, personally, but to see these sentiments bubbling up again, with people cheering on an obviously politically motivated federal prosecution of a liberty movement person, designed to harm the movement, in the midst of the most important campaign in the movement's history thus far, is disgusting and shameful.

Cry me a river. Keep pretending like you do not know what this is about.

 

[PRB]

I'm not much disturbed by the indictment; it'll have zero long term impact on Rand's campaign.

I am, however, extremely disturbed by the reactions of some on this forum. Benton-phobia has never made any sense to me; I get the impression that a lot of liberty movement people scapegoated the man after their (unrealistically high) expectations weren't met in the last two cycles. I remember very clearly, in the spring of 2012, the sudden rise of Benton-phobia on the Daily Paul; and the people going after him were - almost to a man - the same ones trapped in denial about Ron's chances (by that point his chances were clearly 0%, just as a matter of delegate math). Then, naturally they started to turn on Ron "Well if Ron hired this guy he must be corrupt or stupid!" I don't care about Benton one way or the other, personally, but to see these sentiments bubbling up again, with people cheering on an obviously politically motivated federal prosecution of a liberty movement person, designed to harm the movement, in the midst of the most important campaign in the movement's history thus far, is disgusting and shameful.

I was about to punch you for saying people have unrealistic expectations, but i agree with the rest of what you said, that people allow the outsiders to persecute Benton, we need cohesion and unity, not infighting, and definitely not infighting brought on by the federal government and media.

 

[angelatc]

I was about to punch you for saying people have unrealistic expectations, but i agree with the rest of what you said, that people allow the outsiders to persecute Benton, we need cohesion and unity, not infighting, and definitely not infighting brought on by the federal government and media.

We pretty much are unified on the anti-Benton sentiments. Feel free to join us.

 

[PRB]

We pretty much are unified on the anti-Benton sentiments. Feel free to join us.

Are Ron & Rand on your side? That's the "quality" of people I care about, not quantity.

 

[Carlybee]

Is it to soon to say we dodged a bullet on this one? seems like media is on to bigger better things.

No...they will trot it out at strategic intervals.