DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

[angelatc]

I disagree with a lot of what LE said, and she disagrees with me. Everybody hates Matt. PRB is.....something else. But rather than rehash those particular points of contention for the umpteenth time, maybe we should focus on some of the things we agree on. Point being - we are losing ground.

Rand Paul's tax plan deserves a lot more attention that it's getting. If we spent as much time writing letters to the editor as we do posting long diatribes about how badly the campaign is being run, maybe we can at least get a little support for it outside of our universe. Who's in?

 

[PRB]

I disagree with a lot of what LE said, and she disagrees with me. Everybody hates Matt. PRB is.....something else. But rather than rehash those particular points of contention for the umpteenth time, maybe we should focus on some of the things we agree on. Point being - we are losing ground.

Rand Paul's tax plan deserves a lot more attention that it's getting. If we spent as much time writing letters to the editor as we do posting long diatribes about how badly the campaign is being run, maybe we can at least get a little support for it outside of our universe. Who's in?

I am.

 

[Matt Collins]

Absolute truth: People who are actually powerful do not have to try to convince people that they are powerful.

Knowledge of power is not ubiquitous, besides, I was asked.

 

[Matt Collins]

Everybody hates Matt.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter

 

[LibertyEagle]

I disagree with a lot of what LE said, and she disagrees with me.

Uh huh. Because you have become just another whiner. Sad, really.

Everybody hates Matt. PRB is.....something else. But rather than rehash those particular points of contention for the umpteenth time, maybe we should focus on some of the things we agree on. Point being - we are losing ground.

Rand Paul's tax plan deserves a lot more attention that it's getting. If we spent as much time writing letters to the editor as we do posting long diatribes about how badly the campaign is being run, maybe we can at least get a little support for it outside of our universe. Who's in?

That would require people to actually do something, besides bitch. Won't happen.

 

[Cowlesy]

Benton is innocent until proven guilty, and frankly I want to see the detail trace of each wire/check/account #. It sounds like a straw donation with "Here we'll purchase all these AV services from you *wink* *wink*". Yeah, you'll go to jail for that.

I'm sure this article is from a liberal hack, and hopefully everything below is false but it kind of sounds like someone really, really impressed with themselves.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppin...jesse-benton-rand-pauls-most-loyal#.ba9Xme1a9

Those around him said Benton seemed to relish his new status. He bought a million-dollar house in Louisville, Kentucky. He slimmed down considerably, and swapped his baggy suits for a newly stylish wardrobe. He cultivated relationships with influential journalists, and won many of them over with his easygoing accessibility and authentic earnestness — traits rooted in the idealism of the protest campaigns he often worked on (and not commonly found among the more cynical political mercenaries in his industry).

In any case, Benton kept up the outward displays of confidence in August 2014, when Sorenson pleaded guilty on two federal charges and news of the federal investigation became public. Benton was forced to resign as McConnell’s campaign manager. According to of Benton’s colleagues, immediately after his departure from the campaign, the strategist bought a new Audi, and a gold Rolex for his wife.
One of the colleagues was concerned by the the extravagance, and urged prudence. “Dude, you don’t know where your next paycheck is coming from,” he recalled telling Benton. “This is not the time to splurge.”

What really bothers me, is RON Paul getting involved with Porter Stansberry. Why, why would he do that? Why!?!?!
http://briandeer.com/stansberry/stansberry-research-scam-1.htm

There are ways to get rich quick, but they involve SUBSTANTIAL risk of loss. Let me tell you, to achieve just something beautiful like 20% returns consistently, is practically unicorn level. If you ever see these "I turned $3,000 into $300,000 and it was SIMPLE!", just walk away. YES, you COULD! But it's EXTREMELY likely you'll lose your $3,000, and the $500 you spent for one of the umpteen billion newsletters promising to give you secrets.

Just no, Ron. What a horrible, horrible idea.

I'm just...I'm just lost at the lack of judgment exhibited in all of this. It's really disappointing. I don't even read Ron Paul emails anymore because it's always tin-cup rattling for money.

Disappointing.

 

[angelatc]

Uh huh. Because you have become just another whiner. Sad, really.

You say whiner, I say realist.

That would require people to actually do something, besides bitch. Won't happen.

Who's whining now?

 

[jj-]

Benton is innocent until proven guilty

He is not guilty, campaign finance laws are unconstitutional.

 

[phill4paul]

He is not guilty, campaign finance laws are unconstitutional.

Odds of getting a jury that will nullify: .0001%. It has also been pointed out that the worst charge against him is violation of Section 1001. That is the charge they will hang him on.

 

[KingNothing]

Matt, you don't even have any power here at RPF, or very limited. Everyone hates you. That's the opposite of power, the opposite of influence. You have basically no power. Your credibility on the subject of power is zip.

Even if true, why would you say that? What constructive end does it lead to?

We're on the same team. Be nice to each other.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Even if true, why would you say that?

Because he was insulting Tom Woods.

 

[KingNothing]

Because he was insulting Tom Woods.

He called Tom Woods brilliant, and wished politicians were like him. He did not insult Tom Woods. He spoke the truth - Tom Woods does not have power, and wished it were not the case.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

He did not insult Tom Woods.

I personally think he did. In this thread only indirectly (I can understand if you missed it), where he "merely" agreed with someone who called him an imbecile, but here directly:

Who cares?


These two [Lew Rockwell and Tom Woods] have zero understanding of electoral politics, or politics in general, and no knowledge or experience in the political field at all. In short, their opinions on the subject matter are no more relevant, prominent, or informed than anyone on the street.

Now regarding economics, history, and law they are both very learned scholars. Politically they are dolts.

And relatively, that's mild. He's probably decided to back off and mix in underhanded compliments due to realizing the impossibility of making us hate Tom Woods. Many, many, other times he has expressed more forcefully his low, low opinion of Tom Woods. And it falls lower every time Tom criticizes Jesse Benton.

I am all for being nice to each other. But Matt Collins has, in my opinion, lost his way. He has simply lost his way. I stand with Tom Woods, I take Tom Woods' side in this perpetual "dispute", not that you can call it that, of meaningless nobodies presuming to criticize and insult their betters. Which Tom Woods is. Tom Woods is a stand-up, honorable man. Matt Collins has a problem with him only because of his absolute undying loyalty to Jesse Benton.

Looking back at his early posts, Collins used to be a decent person. Collins used to be someone I could relate to. Collins used to share many of the same values I cherish. I don't think he's a bad person. But what he did do, in the words of The Buttercream Gang, was pick the wrong friends, and ever since then he's been getting into trouble. Going down a dark, dead-end path. And probably feeling increasing frustration at the way his life is going.

There's my psycho-analysis. You can leave the nickel in the jar.

 

[Peace Piper]

I personally think he did. In this thread only indirectly (I can understand if you missed it), where he "merely" agreed with someone who called him an imbecile, but here directly:

And relatively, that's mild. He's probably decided to back off and mix in underhanded compliments due to realizing the impossibility of making us hate Tom Woods. Many, many, other times he has expressed more forcefully his low, low opinion of Tom Woods. And it falls lower every time Tom criticizes Jesse Benton.

I am all for being nice to each other. But Matt Collins has, in my opinion, lost his way. He has simply lost his way. I stand with Tom Woods, I take Tom Woods' side in this perpetual "dispute", not that you can call it that, of meaningless nobodies presuming to criticize and insult their betters. Which Tom Woods is. Tom Woods is a stand-up, honorable man. Matt Collins has a problem with him only because of his absolute undying loyalty to Jesse Benton.

Looking back at his early posts, Collins used to be a decent person. Collins used to be someone I could relate to. Collins used to share many of the same values I cherish. I don't think he's a bad person. But what he did do, in the words of The Buttercream Gang, was pick the wrong friends, and ever since then he's been getting into trouble. Going down a dark, dead-end path. And probably feeling increasing frustration at the way his life is going.

There's my psycho-analysis. You can leave the nickel in the jar.

I'm thinking that collinz character and the rest hate Tom Woods because he makes them all look like the incompetent junior high school students that they really are. The vast amount of incredible talent that many volunteers showed (until they were made irrelevant by official staff) was ignored. The Pauls treat their supporters like they don't exist - until they need more money.

Imagine if Ron Paul had listened to Woods and others that actually know how to present an argument.

Instead we all got Benton and company, and Benton got an Audi, a Million Dollar House and his wife got a gold rolex. What a disgrace.

I remember when I first heard about the allegations that the paul campaign bribed someone to switch sides. I thought it was preposterous. I stood up for Ron with every last bit of energy I had. Told people on other boards that they didn't know Ron Paul and wouldn't know integrity if it slapped their faces. Now I think Ron knew about it.

I was taken for a fool and won't be making that mistake again. Enough with political families. Those in the fight for liberty shouldn't let this happen again.

 

[Occam's Banana]

[Matt] probably decided to back off and mix in underhanded compliments due to realizing the impossibility of making us hate Tom Woods. Many, many, other times he has expressed more forcefully his low, low opinion of Tom Woods.

For all that he claims to admire the "brilliance" of Tom Woods, I don't recall Matt ever posting much (if anything) favorable towards, by or about Woods - except when he then proceeds to crap on him. You'd think that someone who professes to think so highly of Tom's "brilliance" on such a variety of subjects (history, economics, etc.) would at least occasionally bother to post something of substantive relevance by Tom, without further qualification. But at this point, I am very skeptical that Matt has ever had anything but the most cursory familiarity with any of Tom's output - if even that much. (As I noted in the other thread - the one from which HH pulled that quote from Matt - I doubt that Matt had even bothered to listen to what Tom had to say before pissing on him about it.)

IOW: All of Matt's complimentary effusions regarding Tom Woods just turn out to be the deceitful handshake that comes before the knife in the back.

There's a word for people like that. Several, in fact ...

 

[Anti Federalist]

What really bothers me, is RON Paul getting involved with Porter Stansberry. Why, why would he do that? Why!?!?!

http://briandeer.com/stansberry/stansberry-research-scam-1.htm

There are ways to get rich quick, but they involve SUBSTANTIAL risk of loss. Let me tell you, to achieve just something beautiful like 20% returns consistently, is practically unicorn level. If you ever see these "I turned $3,000 into $300,000 and it was SIMPLE!", just walk away. YES, you COULD! But it's EXTREMELY likely you'll lose your $3,000, and the $500 you spent for one of the umpteen billion newsletters promising to give you secrets.

Just no, Ron. What a horrible, horrible idea.

I'm just...I'm just lost at the lack of judgment exhibited in all of this. It's really disappointing. I don't even read Ron Paul emails anymore because it's always tin-cup rattling for money.

Disappointing.

+rep, giant truth in that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[Matt Collins]

You're all wrong and none of you know what the hell you're talking about. I have many of Tom's books and listen to his podcasts etc.... But you can all go shove it for all I care.

 

[Danke]

You're all wrong and none of you know what the hell you're talking about. I have many of Tom's books and listen to his podcasts etc.... But you can all go shove it for all I care.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

You're all wrong and none of you know what the hell you're talking about. I have many of Tom's books and listen to his podcasts etc.... But you can all go shove it for all I care.

Truth hurts. Don't go throwing tantrums because you thought it was a bright idea to hitch your wagons to crooks like Jesse Benton. You made your bed and now you're going to have to sleep in it, little fella.