DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

[helmuth_hubener]

Revolution is right. Tom Woods IS an imbecile when it comes to politics. He's brilliant at other things and I am sure is a great man, but he doesn't know crap about running campaigns, or anything political for that matter.

Politics is about gaining power.

Who has more power, Tom Woods or you?

And yet Tom Woods, despite being demonstrably, provably 1,000 times better and more successful at politics than you, would never, ever call you an imbecile.

 

[Matt Collins]

Politics is about gaining power.

Who has more power, Tom Woods or you?

And yet Tom Woods, despite being demonstrably, provably 1,000 times better and more successful at politics than you, would never, ever call you an imbecile.

No, Tom has zero power, most people don't even those who think they do. Tom has not been politically involved at all whatsoever in anything as far as I know.

That's not to take away from his brilliance in law, history, economics, and oration. But those things have nothing to do with the political system (sadly).

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Upon reading the above, for some reason this sprang to mind:



This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or to spend money, and related transactions; it is about false record keeping and making false statements during an official investigation.

I think if you pursue the matter far enough PRB is definitely right. There should not have been an investigation in the first place. Is it so though that if they had been open and honest (not that they should be forced to) about cutting this guy a check for his support, that they would have broken no laws?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

No, Tom has zero power, most people don't even those who think they do. Tom has not been politically involved at all whatsoever in anything as far as I know.

That's not to take away from his brilliance in law, history, economics, and oration. But those things have nothing to do with the political system (sadly).

Umm, let me explain power to you. Power is getting people to do what you want. Power is being able to get done what you want to get done. Power is being a Boss. Powerful people are... powerful. I don't know how to make that more clear. Powerful people make a dent in the Universe. Impotent people don't.

To repeat my previous post:

Tom Woods has a popular podcast, several best-selling books, an extensive network of important people who like and respect him, and to sum up: a large and loyal following. Matt Collins has.......... what, exactly? Which of these two men is more influential?

 

[Matt Collins]

Umm, let me explain power to you. Power is getting people to do what you want. Power is being able to get done what you want to get done. Power is being a Boss. Powerful people are... powerful. I don't know how to make that more clear. Powerful people make a dent in the Universe. Impotent people don't.

To repeat my previous post:

Tom Woods has a popular podcast, several best-selling books, an extensive network of important people who like and respect him, and to sum up: a large and loyal following. Matt Collins has.......... what, exactly? Which of these two men is more influential?

You're first paragraph is dead on.

Your second paragraph confuses "influence" or "access" with power. The two are not the same and in fact are almost the antithesis of each other.

For example, Tom cannot get a single law changed or cause a politician to lose his seat. He doesn't know how (and worse yet is unwilling to learn). He can sell books, he can get paid for speaking, and he can educate people, but that does not equate into changing policy which at the end of the day is what we are trying to do.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Your second paragraph confuses "influence" or "access" with power. The two are not the same and in fact are almost the antithesis of each other.

For example, Tom cannot get a single law changed or cause a politician to lose his seat. He doesn't know how (and worse yet is unwilling to learn). He can sell books, he can get paid for speaking, and he can educate people, but that does not equate into changing policy which at the end of the day is what we are trying to do.

Oh yes, I'm so confused. Thank you for clearing up that in your world view, Andy Gilland, city councilman of Ozark, Alabama, is more powerful than Steve Jobs Larry Ellison, who has no power at all.

Matt, you don't even have any power here at RPF, or very limited. Everyone hates you. That's the opposite of power, the opposite of influence. You have basically no power. Your credibility on the subject of power is zip.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Good.

I hope the entire book is thrown at Benton.
I thought he was bad for Ron's campaign, as did MANY of us, back during 2012. He's a snake, you could always tell something about him was off.

As for those bringing Tom Woods' name into this, let's not drag him through anything we can't prove.
Thus far he's shown he can be trusted (for now), and he deserves that respect.

 

[PRB]

I am comparing people who held steadfast to the blind faith they had in Nixon to the people who have that blind faith in Ron, Rand and Jesse. God bless 'em.

I have blind faith in Ron and Rand, how else can I get them elected? Jesse is a Paul family member, so if his family trusts him, I will too. I asked if his family still stands by him, if they don't, I won't either. I don't trust the judgment of Paul's fans over his family. Last time I checked nobody here has a better chance of getting elected or raising money as the Pauls.

 

[PRB]

Yeah, it's pretty sucky alright. The media has been hard at Rand for over a month now. I've just been going to google news and searching for Rand and nothing but one hit piece after another has been popping up for quite some time now. And he has gotten very few interviews. ugh

I personally think the GOP establishment has set the fix for Jeb to be the nominee. The conservative vote is so split right now, that not a one of them are going to have the numbers. If Rand is going to break free, we are going to need a miracle. I am still hoping and praying for one.

Trump is trolling them, so Jeb might not get it so easy (or is he part of the show?)

 

[PRB]

Upon reading the above, for some reason this sprang to mind:



This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or to spend money, and related transactions; it is about false record keeping and making false statements during an official investigation.

It's an "official investigation" which shouldn't even take place if we had true free speech, true free market and privacy over money the same way we have privacy over votes. Yes, I get it, the investigation was legally justified, but morally the law shouldn't even exist to restrict or audit how people spend their money. I thought this was a FREE COUNTRY, now can't even buy the elections we want.

What's the point of sending Ron, Rand or SuperPACs money if they're not going to use it to win? Isn't that the point? Or are we all about principles and show for the world to laugh at?

The logic you guys use to justify this unconstitutional persecution is what got Jesus crucified, got slaves chained and got Al Capone arrested, got Ross Ulbricht imprisoned. You follow the law blindly, try following liberty and liberty candidates blindyl for a change, we might get somewhere.

 

[Smitty]

Jesse's next TV appearance will be on an episode of "Lockup Raw".

He'll come walking out in an orange jumpsuit and a pair of flip flops talkin' 'bout, "I ain't did shit!"

Matt Collins will be walking beside him (under him?) and be backin' him up,.....sayin', "That's right!,..that's right!"

 

[timosman]

He'll come walking out in an orange jumpsuit and a pair of flip flops talkin' 'bout, "I ain't did shit!"

Nah, he'll be talking - "I am the shit !" Matt can keep his line.

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt, you don't even have any power here at RPF, or very limited. Everyone hates you. That's the opposite of power, the opposite of influence. You have basically no power. Your credibility on the subject of power is zip.

You're welcome to believe whatever makes you feel good.

 

[timosman]

You're welcome to believe whatever makes you feel good.

Why don't you disclose what powers you actually have ? I hope you are not trying to keep secrets from us.

 

[Matt Collins]

Why don't you disclose what powers you actually have ? I hope you are not trying to keep secrets from us.

I was the state director in WV when we passed Constitutional Carry this year. I'm going to pass it in TN by 2017. I have killed numerous other bills, gotten some passed, and gotten legislators elected and tossed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh yes, I'm so confused. Thank you for clearing up that in your world view, Andy Gilland, city councilman of Ozark, Alabama, is more powerful than Steve Jobs Larry Ellison, who has no power at all.

Matt, you don't even have any power here at RPF, or very limited. Everyone hates you. That's the opposite of power, the opposite of influence. You have basically no power. Your credibility on the subject of power is zip.

What does that have to do with Tom Woods? Woods has 0 knowledge of what it takes to win political campaigns. That was the issue. Please stay on track.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I was the state director in WV when we passed Constitutional Carry this year. I'm going to pass it in TN by 2017. I have killed numerous other bills, gotten some passed, and gotten legislators elected and tossed.

Absolute truth: People who are actually powerful do not have to try to convince people that they are powerful.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

What does that have to do with Tom Woods? Woods has 0 knowledge of what it takes to win political campaigns. That was the issue. Please stay on track.

Well, I overestimated you. You did not even comprehend my point. Matt Collins, at least, did.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Why don't you disclose what powers you actually have ? I hope you are not trying to keep secrets from us.

Laser eyes? I'm going with the power to read his own mind.

And the ability to fly.

 

[Carlybee]

Well...this has taken an amusing turn.