Do you support Arizona's right to crack down on illegal immigration?

[speciallyblend]

Heres a hypothetical scenario. I own a ranch on the border. Illegal aliens invade my home. I kill 2 in the struggle. I get sued or possibly charged with homicide or if I'm really lucky the prosecution hits me with a HATE CRIME as well. Are you going to contribute to my legal defense team? Self-defense is a myth in this goddamned country. The true victims are painted as assailants and ridiculed with false motives. You know the deal. Up is down and down is up.

as i have heard rp members say, let the courts decide get a lawyer sarcasm

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

they should just start a Snitch an Illegal Program. then all they have to do is bust down doors and arrest folks instead of randomly stopping american citizens easy solution (sarcasm)

+1

 

[phill4paul]

Huge blocs of foreign nationals are the final nail in the coffin so to speak. Keeping them at bay simply buys time but does nothing to actually remedy the true ills. With that said, I'm 100% behind buying time, even if I'm of the mind that the globalists have won. They own the media, the educational system and the currency. I don't know if this country is solidified enough to fight back.

The source of the problem in NOT huge blocs of foreign nationals. America was created from huge blocs of foreign nationals.

Any problem that you point to that you believe is the effect of foreign nationals has its root in the federal governments policies.

Your anger is misdirected. If every foreign national was to be removed from America tomorrow the problems would still exist.

The problem is non-compliance of the Constitution on the part of the federal government and citizens being divided to the point that they allow it.

 

[torchbearer]

The source of the problem in NOT huge blocs of foreign nationals. America was created from huge blocs of foreign nationals.

Any problem that you point to that you believe is the effect of foreign nationals has its root in the federal governments policies.

Your anger is misdirected. If every foreign national was to be removed from America tomorrow the problems would still exist.

The problem is non-compliance of the Constitution on the part of the federal government and citizens being divided to the point that they allow it.

that is the ultimate lesson of the youtube i posted of the irwin schiff book.

 

[dannno]

Not only do I support the State's right to crack down, I support every citizen (or illegal immigrant, for this matter) who wishes to cooperate with law enforcement to enforce just laws (but not unjust laws).

If I saw you walking down the street and I asked for your ID, would you give it to me, or would you say fuck off?

What gives the police the right to ask for your ID unless you are suspected of committing a crime?

 

[silus]

7 pages and only about 23 votes. Can I say again how fucking terrible this poll is. I think I will.

Here is another option: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=241788

 

[dannno]

the problem is non-compliance of the constitution on the part of the federal government and citizens being divided to the point that they allow it.

+1776

 

[AuH20]

The source of the problem in NOT huge blocs of foreign nationals. America was created from huge blocs of foreign nationals.

Any problem that you point to that you believe is the effect of foreign nationals has its root in the federal governments policies.

Your anger is misdirected. If every foreign national was to be removed from America tomorrow the problems would still exist.

The problem is non-compliance of the Constitution on the part of the federal government and citizens being divided to the point that they allow it.

The country was formed from foreign INDIVIDUALS cut off from their homeland by a vast ocean. It was Assimilate or Go Home. Secondly, the immigration waves which took place between the late 1800s and the early 1900s was drastically smaller than the Southwestern invasion we've seen transpire. The numbers aren't even comparable.

http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopulation/decadegraph.html#40

 

[speciallyblend]

what they should do is run every AZ citizen thru a clearing house/detainment center and if legal set them free and if illegal deport them, might take a few months but they can process them all one by one and either detain them or let them go!! just grid of az and go trench to trench!! waterboard them all ,make sure they are telling the truth! it is not torture

 

[phill4paul]

The country was formed from foreign INDIVIDUALS cut off from their homeland by a vast ocean. It was Assimilate or Go Home. Secondly, the immigration waves which took place between the late 1800s and the early 1900s was drastically smaller than the Southwestern invasion we've seen transpire. The numbers aren't even comparable.

http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopulation/decadegraph.html#40

You have missed the point of my post.

Removing every foreign national WILL NOT solve your problems.

The federal government is the cause of your problems.

Again.

Trade agreements, inflation of currency, un-amended prohibitions and entitlement programs are your problem.

Illegal immigration is a distraction.

 

[Theocrat]

Immigrant Extremists vs. Arizona

I'm only curious. What do you think Arizona should do about groups such as "La Raza Unida Party"?

 

[Vessol]

Arrest them if they break the law. Otherwise ignore them. I don't see what's hard with that.

This whole thing is an excuse to increase the police state.

Convenient how this is happening during the middle of National ID cards being debated.

 

[Meatwasp]

This is sad for me. It's against the constitution as others have said. I heard a Mexican guy say if he went back to Mexico he will be reduced to selling Chicklets again.
CUT THE WEFARE is the only way. Also do not let families come here like they did in the 1950 with the Brasaro program.

 

[Theocrat]

I See What You're Saying

Arrest them if they break the law. Otherwise ignore them. I don't see what's hard with that.

This whole thing is an excuse to increase the police state.

Convenient how this is happening during the middle of National ID cards being debated.

[Emphasis mine]

It seems to me you're agreeing that if illegal immigrants break Arizona's immigration laws, they should be arrested. It has nothing to do with increasing a police state.

 

[silus]

Bottom line is that we are going to go broke trying to remedy every symptom of fundamental problems.

 

[Vessol]

[Emphasis mine]

It seems to me you're agreeing that if illegal immigrants break Arizona's immigration laws, they should be arrested. It has nothing to do with increasing a police state.

And how are you going to get the manpower to arrest all those darn illegals?

 

[dannno]

Bottom line is that we are going to go broke trying to remedy every symptom of fundamental problems.

Yes, this is a fundamental problem that people are trying to cure the symptoms of rather than the disease.

 

[dannno]

[Emphasis mine]

It seems to me you're agreeing that if illegal immigrants break Arizona's immigration laws, they should be arrested. It has nothing to do with increasing a police state.

So do you think everybody should be sent to camps to determine if they are legal citizens or not?

Should police barge into homes demanding residents prove their legality?

Arrest random people on the street?

All of these things are what made our Founding Fathers cringe, and it is the basis of our Constitution. If you really support it, put a little more thought into this issue.

 

[Theocrat]

Economic "Strategery"

And how are you going to get the manpower to arrest all those darn illegals?

Easy. Hire new law enforcement officers. Teach them the Constitution. Stimulate our labor force. Racist extremist groups like "Raza Unida Party" (which support an overthrow of our American system) won't know what hit them.

 

[Theocrat]

Negative

So do you think everybody should be sent to camps to determine if they are legal citizens or not?

No.

Should police barge into homes demanding residents prove their legality?

No.

Arrest random people on the street?

No.

All of these things are what made our Founding Fathers cringe, and it is the basis of our Constitution. If you really support it, put a little more thought into this issue.

I have, and I'm looking at it from imminent needs which point to groups like "Raza Unida Party" who seek to use this immigration issue to harbor their own agenda of tearing down America to make it like a 21st Century Mexico.