Do you support Arizona's right to crack down on illegal immigration?

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See poll.

 

[torchbearer]

they have the right to do so under the constitution. i do not deny that.

 

[MelissaWV]

YES! There were not enough threads and polls about this!

 

[dannno]

What a slanted poll... most people here don't even have an option to vote for... not to mention torch is right, they do have the right to enact the law.. but citizens have the right to sue because it violates the 4th amendment... so..... ya.. meaningless poll.

 

[krazy kaju]

This is a false dilemma. You can also be against the sheer totalitarian-ness of this bill. Essentially, this bill dictates that everyone in Arizona has to walk around with their legal papers on them. Don't you dare forget them at home or you'll be thrown in jail!

 

[MelissaWV]

This is a false dilemma. You can also be against the sheer totalitarian-ness of this bill. Essentially, this bill dictates that everyone in Arizona has to walk around with their legal papers on them. Don't you dare forget them at home or you'll be thrown in jail!

Every reasonable effort will be made to ensure you're you, though! If there's a mix-up, you can obviously straighten it out from jail, and if you "just comply" there "won't be any trouble."

 

[ViniVidiVici]

Si hago

 

[dannno]

Essentially, this bill dictates that everyone in Arizona has to walk around with their legal papers on them. Don't you dare forget them at home or you'll be thrown in jail!

The worst part is, when we bring this up, the people defending the bill will reply that the law says immigrants have to carry papers and they will say that illegal aliens are already breaking the law.

It's like they completely miss the entire spirit of the 4th amendment.. which is that it is there to protect citizens.. and NBC's who are in fact NOT required to carry around an ID and SHOULD be secure in their persons and their homes.. but this bill does completely the opposite.

 

[MelissaWV]

Si hago

Su español no me impresiona.

 

[John Taylor]

The worst part is, when we bring this up, the people defending the bill will reply that the law says immigrants have to carry papers and they will say that illegal aliens are already breaking the law.

It's like they completely miss the entire spirit of the 4th amendment.. which is that it is there to protect citizens.. and NBC's who are in fact NOT required to carry around an ID and SHOULD be secure in their persons and their homes.. but this bill does completely the opposite.

The 4th Amendment DOES protect citizens! ALL migrants by law must carry their documentation. They are the one's breaking federal law.

 

[John Taylor]

Su español no me impresiona.

Mother of God.

Arabic.

 

[MelissaWV]

Mother of God.

Arabic.

El tuyo no me impresiona tampoco.

 

[phill4paul]

YES! There were not enough threads and polls about this!

No shit I can't even remember the ones I posted in and which I have not.

 

[krazy kaju]

The 4th Amendment DOES protect citizens! ALL migrants by law must carry their documentation. They are the one's breaking federal law.

Right, but the Arizona law violates the Fourth Amendment by essentially requiring everyone, including legal citizens, to carry their papers. Because if they don't, then they risk getting sent to jail.

 

[John Taylor]

Right, but the Arizona law violates the Fourth Amendment by essentially requiring everyone, including legal citizens, to carry their papers. Because if they don't, then they risk getting sent to jail.

No, it only requires that people who are stopped under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime be able to demonstrate their legal status. The local thug on the street will be able to prove he's a citizen... so will the house-wife with a heavy foot on her way home from the grocery store.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

No, it only requires that people who are stopped under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime be able to demonstrate their legal status. The local thug on the street will be able to prove he's a citizen... so will the house-wife with a heavy foot on her way home from the grocery store.

But that "crime" can be anything from passing a vehicle when theres a solid line, to your license plate light being out. You could be pulled, and because you think you are safe, would be thrown in jail because you don't carry the proper documentation.

 

[Paulitey]

How many more polls must there be on this same subject!

 

[lester1/2jr]

yes. I might not agree with their decision but it is indeed theirs

 

[John Taylor]

But that "crime" can be anything from passing a vehicle when theres a solid line, to your license plate light being out. You could be pulled, and because you think you are safe, would be thrown in jail because you don't carry the proper documentation.

Yeah, of course, those are violations of the Arizona Revised Statutes, the laws the police are empowered here to enforce.

All drivers are already required to have their driver's licenses with them when they drive. Everyone knows this, and has known it, since they turned 16 and got their license.

In any event, if someone is pulled over who doesn't have their license, they will be fined, and will be released when the police officer determines who the driver in fact is, and whether the car is stolen.

 

[krazy kaju]

No, it only requires that people who are stopped under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime be able to demonstrate their legal status. The local thug on the street will be able to prove he's a citizen... so will the house-wife with a heavy foot on her way home from the grocery store.

Being an illegal immigrant is committing a crime. Could "reasonable suspicion" (a sham in itself) be used to stop anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant?