Do we have any Muslims here?

[green73]

To the Muslims here, I apologize---though I shouldn't have to--for the Christian zealots attacking this thread.

 

[Miss Annie]

At least the Catholics are praying against war in Syria for the most part. Dispensationalists are leading the charge...

You KNOW I'm no big fan of the RCC, but Protestants as a group are not innocent either.

That is not a fair statement, and is collectivist! I am a dispensationalist and the last thing I want is war in Syria..... or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[green73]

I don't think Sola has ever left his county in Kentucky.

I believe you!

 

[Sola_Fide]

I've been to Egypt, Sudan, Malaysia, UAE, Lebanon, Palestine, and Indonesia.

I don't think Sola has ever left his county in Kentucky.

Kentucky is very diverse. We have people with 3 teeth and other people with 4.

 

[RJB]

First, you are not distinguishing between Biblical Christianity, which is anti-state, and Roman Catholicism, which is collectivistic and promotes world government.

Even in a thread about Islam you have to bring up BS bashing Catholics. Most Christian Churches Discuss Jesus. Sola's Church just talks about Catholics, I guess.

BTW, as a helpful reminder, you never provided the source for these 2 quotations you posted. Here is where Eduardo asked you about it. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nd-Free-Will&p=5231172&viewfull=1#post5231172

 

[green73]

Is it just "media lies" that Christians are executed?

Do they tell the truth that US government extremists control criminal Muslim extremists?

 

[Sola_Fide]

To the Muslims here, I apologize---though I shouldn't have to--for the Christian zealots attacking this thread.

I remember the last Muslim here...I forget his name...defending the execution of homosexuals as a "liberty" position. Is that something you support?

 

[otherone]

Secondly, what kind of drugs do you have to be doing to not see that NONE of the most brutal dictatorships in history ever "put their hand on a Bible". Mao, Stalin, etc. All atheistic regimes to the core. That's YOUR legacy, you own it.

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from the subject of argument

Poisoning the well – a type of ad hominem where adverse information about a target is presented with the intention of discrediting everything that the target person says

 

[Christian Liberty]

"Protestants"? You mean liberal dispenstaional warmongers who believe in free will and universal atonement and deny justification by faith alone? They might as well be Roman Catholics.

OK, I've never heard of any who deny faith alone, and if there were, I wouldn't be talking about them.

As for the rest of your descriptors, yeah, I guess some of them would fit all of those. Some would fit some but not others. I'm pretty sure there are at least a few Calvinistic dispensationalists in my church. One of the strongest Christian men I know is VERY Reformed, but still at least somewhat statist (and by that I don't mean "Not anarchist" I mean "Still voting for people like Romney" not to mention being a police officer.)

I hoenstly don't know a single Christian that sees eye to eye with me on the State. My dad is the closest who I'm sure of, and he's probably somewhere close to Rand Paul politically. I have one aunt that agrees with me on the vast majority of issues, and I think she's a Christian, but you probably would not seeing as I don't think she subscribes to limited atonement. She understood why I do once I explained it to her, but I don't know for sure if she agreed with me. And my mom is apolitical. Pretty much every other Christian I've talked to about these issues does NOT see eye to eye with me on politics. I know they're out there, but it seems like the vast majority of the church, even the true church, is deluded in this regard. Or am I missing something?

Mind you, I agree with you that anarcho-capitalism is Biblically correct (You might not use that word, but the concept is the same.) But most Christians don't seem to agree with us on this.

 

[green73]

I remember the last Muslim here...I forget his name...defending the execution of homosexuals as a "liberty" position. Is that something you support?

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from the subject of argument

Poisoning the well – a type of ad hominem where adverse information about a target is presented with the intention of discrediting everything that the target person says

Logic is as foreign to him as the countries he's never visited and hates on.

 

[RJB]

It would be great to hear from you.

It looks like we've heard from everyone but a muslim

 

[amy31416]

Did you chase them away, for liberty?

I think he was one of the ones who probably did. We had a really good poster, Iyad ElBagdhadi (sp?), who posted here a lot. BlackTerrell probably didn't help much either, but I don't recall all the specifics.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I remember the last Muslim here...I forget his name...defending the execution of homosexuals as a "liberty" position. Is that something you support?

One of our Christian brothers on here does. Its not something he discusses publicly, but he does.

Its an awful position, but its also one issue. I don't see how punishing homosexuality is any "worse" than punishing consensual incest, polygamy, crack addiction, or any whole host of other personal liberty issues.

I know one ancap on another forum who takes this position, its the only anti-liberty position that I know of that he takes (And its not something he emphasizes either. Theologically weak (he's an open theist) but politically solid, Ron Paul supporter, completely agrees that taxation is theft, the drug war is evil, pro-gun ownership, regular poster of LewRockwell.com articles, etc. And this is in a place with TONS of MAD supporting theocratic warmongers. This is the one issue that he's wrong on.

I guess what I don't understand is, if we're not going to kick someone out of the liberty movement because they get ANY issue wrong, why is homosexuality one issue that they simply cannot get wrong? Is it really special, or is that just the media talking? Personally, I'd take a theonomic reconstructionist over a dispenational Israel-first whore any day, although I do wish people would see the liberty message for what it is, a complete, holistic system. Which ultimately requires anarchism.

 

[Christian Liberty]

That is not a fair statement, and is collectivist! I am a dispensationalist and the last thing I want is war in Syria..... or anywhere else for that matter.

My dad, who is not a dispensationalist, got on me for making this kind of generalization recently as well. If you're a dispensationalist who does NOT support this, I'm not talking about you. I'm sure some Catholics support the upcoming war as well. So yes, it was a generalization.

 

[amy31416]

If you think that Sharia is voluntary, how about asking the girls in Afghanistan that aren't allowed to go to school, and forced into marriage at 9 years old. How about asking the women in Saudi if they would like to be able to drive, or leave the house unsupervised. To say that it is voluntary is crazy! Ask the guy in Egypt who lost his head last week because he couldn't pay the jizya tax that he Muslim brotherhood occupiers of his village had forced on him. Voluntary? For real?

Following the Bible is voluntary. And as far as the drug war goes, my bible says that all plants were made by God and are good!

Doesn't sound much different from some sects of the Latter Day Saints, the Amish and some other Christian sects combined with a bit of the mafia.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Logic is as foreign to him as the countries he's never visited and hates on.

Remember when they asked Ron if he'd been to Afghanistan? And when he said no, they told him he couldn't have an informed position on the war?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Remember when they asked Ron if he'd been to Afghanistan? And when he said no, they told him he couldn't have an informed position on the war?

What an epic fallacy!

 

[green73]

It doesn't look like we have any Muslims here. No Americans, no contributors from the rest of the world.

 

[Miss Annie]

Doesn't sound much different from some sects of the Latter Day Saints, the Amish and some other Christian sects combined with a bit of the mafia.

I have known some Mormons, some Amish, and lots of Christians...... i guess its a good thing none of them were Italian huh? LOL

 

[amy31416]

I have known some Mormons, some Amish, and lots of Christians...... i guess its a good thing none of them were Italian huh? LOL

I've seen ads for a TV show called "Amish Mafia," though I never watched it. And I have no doubt that there have been murders/rapes/horrors wrought upon others by Christians in the name of Christianity.

My point was: there are problems in ALL religions where the religion is used as an excuse--Muslims are no different. Hell, even Gandhi was racist towards blacks and Mother Teresa was not always the nicest person around. And dispensationalism is one of the biggest offenders in the dept of warmongering these days, even if you aren't one.