DNI Gabbard: 2016 Obama led plot against Trump a "Treasonous Conspiracy"

[CaptUSA]

Was anything Gabbard released evidence of anyone manufacturing false intelligence?

Debatable. They produced an intelligence report that some didn't like - especially, the FBI. So, they kept it from publishing. They did release to the press some information, but it was pretty cleverly worded. But it DID have the intention to impair the functions of the new administration - and it worked. They did the whole "Russia-Collusion" thing for 3 and a half years until they shifted to Covid. They also provided info to the FISA court that they knew was false at the time. But that was not part of these "new" revelations.

You have to take a step back to understand the full conspiracy here. When you put all of the actions in context with each other, it's pretty clear what happened. But yeah, I'll be shocked if anything comes from it other than cries of executive privilege and maybe some low-level clerical indictments.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[Invisible Man]

Debatable. They produced an intelligence report that some didn't like - especially, the FBI. So, they kept it from publishing. They did release to the press some information, but it was pretty cleverly worded. But it DID have the intention to impair the functions of the new administration - and it worked. They did the whole "Russia-Collusion" thing for 3 and a half years until they shifted to Covid. They also provided info to the FISA court that they knew was false at the time. But that was not part of these "new" revelations.

You have to take a step back to understand the full conspiracy here. When you put all of the actions in context with each other, it's pretty clear what happened. But yeah, I'll be shocked if anything comes from it other than cries of executive privilege and maybe some low-level clerical indictments.

The problem is, "that whole Russia collusion thing," is a very vague catch-all phrase. People on both sides love to use phrases like that without giving details. But to have anything to charge either side with, you have to give the details of who specifically said and did what specifically.

I don't think that Trump or Gabbard are explicitly denying that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. And I don't think anything Gabbard released indicates that Obama had any intelligence that cast doubt on the claim that Russia did, at least in some ways, try to interfere in that election. But the way Gabbard framed this makes it sound like no Russian interference in the 2016 election happened and Obama knew it but lied about it. Likewise, the Democrats can vaguely allude to Russian interference in the 2016 election and Trump being cozy with Putin without saying specifically what that interference did and didn't consist of, or specifically accusing Trump of anything, and sit back while others read between the lines what they will.

 

[CaptUSA]

The problem is, "that whole Russia collusion thing," is a very vague catch-all phrase. People on both sides love to use phrases like that without giving details. But to have anything to charge either side with, you have to give the details of who specifically said and did what specifically.

I don't think that Trump or Gabbard are explicitly denying that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. And I don't think anything Gabbard released indicates that Obama had any intelligence that cast doubt on the claim that Russia did, at least in some ways, try to interfere in that election. But the way Gabbard framed this makes it sound like no Russian interference in the 2016 election happened and Obama knew it but lied about it. Likewise, the Democrats can vaguely allude to Russian interference in the 2016 election and Trump being cozy with Putin without saying specifically what that interference did and didn't consist of, or specifically accusing Trump of anything, and sit back while others read between the lines what they will.

There's a long trail of evidence here that they used information they knew was false to secure warrants to spy on Trump's campaign, then spent 3 and a half years going after Trump's appointees for other things and trying to get them to implicate Trump.

There are threads here describing what we already know, but this thread is pretty specific to what is "new". The new information just sheds some more light on the original intel reports and the effort to change them to align with the previous administration's goal of tying Trump's hands in the new administration.

I don't mean to be vague, but also don't have time to curate all the materials again.

 

[Invisible Man]

There's a long trail of evidence here that they used information they knew was false to secure warrants to spy on Trump's campaign, then spent 3 and a half years going after Trump's appointees for other things and trying to get them to implicate Trump.

There are threads here describing what we already know, but this thread is pretty specific to what is "new". The new information just sheds some more light on the original intel reports and the effort to change them to align with the previous administration's goal of tying Trump's hands in the new administration.

I don't mean to be vague, but also don't have time to curate all the materials again.

Yeah, I was referring just to what's new, because this new stuff is what Gabbard used that exaggerated language about treason about.

 

[nikcers]

Yeah, I was referring just to what's new, because this new stuff is what Gabbard used that exaggerated language about treason about.

Its not an exaggeration to objectively characterize what had happened as treasonous.

To call it anything else is just moving the goalposts of the very clear definition of what they did.

 

[CaptUSA]

Its not an exaggeration to objectively characterize what had happened as treasonous.

To call it anything else is just moving the goalposts of the very clear definition of what they did.

Right. They DEFINITELY wanted to disrupt the Trump administration's ability to get things done. And put the cloud of suspicion over foreign policy.

 

[nikcers]

Right. They DEFINITELY wanted to disrupt the Trump administration's ability to get things done. And put the cloud of suspicion over foreign policy.

Not only did they coordinate an attack on the power of the presidency to conduct foreign policy they incited terrorist riots and forced an effective trade blockade to crash the economy.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Nixon missed out.

 

[Todd]

Meh...

THEY only reveal an injustice when it serves to conceal another one.

I see this. I try to wrap my mind around it and say both are two of the biggest injustices ever and for people to continue pushing for both to be revealed . It’s come down to believing that two things can’t occur simultaneously. Maybe I’m just optimistic that both can be pursued and someday the American public will have to bandwidth to concentrate on more than one thing.

 

[Invisible Man]

Its not an exaggeration to objectively characterize what had happened as treasonous.

To call it anything else is just moving the goalposts of the very clear definition of what they did.

What specifically are you referring to?

 

[nikcers]

What specifically are you referring to?

The "unsurance plan" that the democrats pushed after they realized they wouldnt win the election in 2016.

The one they would have done if anybody but their deep state actors won the presidency.

The deep state and the people in the government are supposed to be apolitical.

You are supposed to be able to elect a different captain if the captain of the ship has us heading towards an iceberg. Thats a feature of our government.

 

[Invisible Man]

The "unsurance plan" that the democrats pushed after they realized they wouldnt win the election in 2016.

The one they would have done if anybody but their deep state actors won the presidency.

The deep state and the people in the government are supposed to be apolitical.

You are supposed to be able to elect a different captain if the captain of the ship has us heading towards an iceberg. Thats a feature of our government.

So nothing specific then?

 

[nikcers]

So nothing specific then?

That's the real conspiracy. Everyone did it by the book.

Yelling fire in a crowded building when there's no fire.

 

[Madison320]

According to what I can find, that brief didn't say, "there was no evidence of Russian manipulation." It said, "Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure," which is a totally different thing.

Did Obama claim that Russian and criminal actors impacted the election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure? Not as far as I am aware.

I don't see anything remotely damning here.

I can't figure out why Trump is focusing on russia-gate and not the hunter biden laptop coverup. It's almost as if he doesn't want to have to prosecute anyone.

 

[acptulsa]

I can't figure out why Trump is focusing on russia-gate and not the hunter biden laptop coverup. It's almost as if he doesn't want to have to prosecute anyone.

Almost?

 

[CCTelander]

I can't figure out why Trump is focusing on russia-gate and not the hunter biden laptop coverup. It's almost as if he doesn't want to have to prosecute anyone.

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Ya think?

 

[nikcers]

I can't figure out why Trump is focusing on russia-gate and not the hunter biden laptop coverup. It's almost as if he doesn't want to have to prosecute anyone.

Russian influences in politics were constantly a problem in Europe for several decades.

When Trump got elected he went to NATO and yelled at them and said why are you buying energy from Russia and the USA pays to protect you from Russia?

So its a topic that has geopolitical value.

Europe was basically forced to do business with Russia and buy energy from Russia because there was an implicit threat that if they didnt they would get attacked.

 

[acptulsa]

Europe was basically forced to do business with Russia...

By what? By winter?

Forced. Artificial insults to intelligence is more descriptive of what you are.

 

[Occam's Banana]