DNI Gabbard: 2016 Obama led plot against Trump a "Treasonous Conspiracy"

[jmdrake]

Then there's door number 3.

1) Tulsi is claiming it's new and I don't any evidence that it is.

2) Since this isn't new, if there was reason to prosecute over this, why is it only coming out at a time that Trump DESPERATELY needs a distraction?

It's kind of like Osama Bin Laden being killed over and over again. Or how we kept hearing about "New evidence of WMDs in Iraq" years ago that kept being the same old recycled claims over and over again.

That said, I actually READ your evidence and you did NOT answer my questions. Why is that?

Edit: NVM. CaptUSA answered my questions.

 

[CaptUSA]

Then there's door number 3.

1) Tulsi is claiming it's new and I don't any evidence that it is.

2) Since this isn't new, if there was reason to prosecute over this, why is it only coming out at a time that Trump DESPERATELY needs a distraction?

It's kind of like Osama Bin Laden being killed over and over again. Or how we kept hearing about "New evidence of WMDs in Iraq" years ago that kept being the same old recycled claims over and over again.

That said, I actually READ your evidence and you did NOT answer my questions. Why is that?

Well, there is some new information, but really just confirms what we already knew.
The 2020 HPSCI Oversight report was fully declassified which showed the collusion info was, "unclear, of uncertain origin, potentially biased, or implausible.”
A Presidential Daily Brief on Dec 8, 2016 that told Obama there was no evidence of Russian manipulation, which was pulled prior to publishing and given new guidance. (This is pretty damning)
The next day, they have a Natl Security Council email directing ODNI leadership to create a new intel assessment "per the President's request"
And a bunch of other docs making it pretty clear what happened.

But yeah, this is being released now as a distraction. That's pretty clear. Fortunately, these kinds of distractions which provide more clarity are good distractions. They could have bombed an aspirin factory, y'know.

 

[jmdrake]

Well, there is some new information, but really just confirms what we already knew.
The 2020 HPSCI Oversight report was fully declassified which showed the collusion info was, "unclear, of uncertain origin, potentially biased, or implausible.”
A Presidential Daily Brief on Dec 8, 2016 that told Obama there was no evidence of Russian manipulation, which was pulled prior to publishing and given new guidance. (This is pretty damning)
The next day, they have a Natl Security Council email directing ODNI leadership to create a new intel assessment "per the President's request"
And a bunch of other docs making it pretty clear what happened.

Okay. Thank you. That's what I was trying to ascertain. So basically Obama knew it was a hoax and let the hoax continue and may have even manipulated intelligence to that regard.

But yeah, this is being released now as a distraction. That's pretty clear. Fortunately, these kinds of distractions which provide more clarity are good distractions. They could have bombed an aspirin factory, y'know.

LOL. Good one!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Then there's door number 3.

1) Tulsi is claiming it's new and I don't any evidence that it is.

It is newly declassified and released. It provides actual proof of what most people had previously assumed (based on a lot of other evidence).

2) Since this isn't new, if there was reason to prosecute over this, why is it only coming out at a time that Trump DESPERATELY needs a distraction?

Of course it distracts from Epstein. That doesn't make it a non-story.

It's kind of like Osama Bin Laden being killed over and over again. Or how we kept hearing about "New evidence of WMDs in Iraq" years ago that kept being the same old recycled claims over and over again.

Speaking of WMDs...

That said, I actually READ your evidence and you did NOT answer my questions. Why is that?

It's a conspiracy. Trump called me this morning and told me to post a thread about Tulsi's speech yesterday. I may have to block his number. He calls like every other day asking for advice. I don't have time for him.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Dave Smith | The Disastrous Coverup Continues | Part Of The Problem 1289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGjRVteXXSk
{Dave Smith | 23 July 2025}

On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave discusses the unfolding of Trump using renewed interest in Russiagate to distract from his coverup of the Epstein case, his new lowered approval rating, and more.

 

[Occam's Banana]

 

[Madison320]

Okay. Thank you. That's what I was trying to ascertain. So basically Obama knew it was a hoax and let the hoax continue and may have even manipulated intelligence to that regard.

That's what it seems like to m. I don't see how it's treasonous. It's not a good look but it's not like the dems took over power.

I'd like to see the hunter biden laptop scandal investigated. That seems way more obvious and way worse to me. It very likely changed the election results.

 

[Invisible Man]

It is newly declassified and released. It provides actual proof of what most people had previously assumed (based on a lot of other evidence).



Of course it distracts from Epstein. That doesn't make it a non-story.



Speaking of WMDs...





It's a conspiracy. Trump called me this morning and told me to post a thread about Tulsi's speech yesterday. I may have to block his number. He calls like every other day asking for advice. I don't have time for him.

Regarding Taibbi's words, "This story is an exact sequel to the WMD affair," I was thinking the same thing, only with respect to what is happening now.

It looks like Gabbard is in the same position Powell was in. She has been ordered by Trump to charge Obama with treason without any evidence and then point to a bunch of nothingburgers and insist that these are evidence of treason. She's making a fool of herself, and I'm pretty sure it's because she's been ordered to. I am embarrassed for her.

 

[Invisible Man]

A Presidential Daily Brief on Dec 8, 2016 that told Obama there was no evidence of Russian manipulation, which was pulled prior to publishing and given new guidance. (This is pretty damning)

According to what I can find, that brief didn't say, "there was no evidence of Russian manipulation." It said, "Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure," which is a totally different thing.

Did Obama claim that Russian and criminal actors impacted the election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure? Not as far as I am aware.

I don't see anything remotely damning here.

 

[CaptUSA]

According to what I can find, that brief didn't say, "there was no evidence of Russian manipulation." It said, "Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure," which is a totally different thing.

You are correct. I truncated it in my response which may have inadvertently changed the meaning some. The original brief (which was pulled prior to publishing and then sent for an update at Obama's request) was specifically tied to Russian cyber activities. That's what I meant by "manipulation" as opposed to "influence".

In full transparency and completedness, here's the original language that was not published:

“We assess that Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure.

Then the emails started

"Due to high Administration interest, this piece is now scheduled to run tomorrow. Therefore, we now ask that coordination responses be sent by 2PM, so that the production process for tomorrow can be completed."

That didn't happen. But this happened:

"FBI will be drafting a dissent this afternoon. Please remove our seal an(d) annotations of co-authorship."

Later that afternoon:

"All, based on some new guidance, we are going to push back publication of the PDB. It will not run tomorrow and is not likely to run until next week."- Deputy Director / PDB / ODNI

There's more at this link, but I can't copy/paste any of it:
https://www.odni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Russia-Hoax-Memo-and-Timeline_revisited.pdf

That PDB never did run, but the activity around the "new" assessment is interesting to read. (I don't have the patience to transcribe it all, so click the link)

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Regarding Taibbi's words, "This story is an exact sequel to the WMD affair," I was thinking the same thing, only with respect to what is happening now.

It looks like Gabbard is in the same position Powell was in. She has been ordered by Trump to charge Obama with treason without any evidence and then point to a bunch of nothingburgers and insist that these are evidence of treason. She's making a fool of herself, and I'm pretty sure it's because she's been ordered to. I am embarrassed for her.

If there's not enough evidence to convict, then it didn't happen, right? Obama has immunity anyway, so that's a moot point.

The fact is that they knew that the Russia-Trump conspiracy was false, and used every tool and power at their disposal to create and push a false narrative. They lied under oath. They lied to FISA courts. They executed search warrants, arrested people, and put them in prison. They ran a Congressional Russia investigation circus for months, with Hollywood produced presentations. They conspired, they covered up their actions. They banned people from social media for wrong think. The MSM ranted and obsessed about it for four years.

Big nothingburger. It never happened. It was all a huge MAGA hallucination. Let's put it behind us...

 

[TheTexan]

Big nothingburger. It never happened. It was all a huge MAGA hallucination. Let's put it behind us...

Let's try not to get distracted from all the #winning that Trump is doing

 

[Invisible Man]

If there's not enough evidence to convict, then it didn't happen, right? Obama has immunity anyway, so that's a moot point.

Then what didn't happen? I don't see anything even potentially criminal here. Do you?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Then what didn't happen? I don't see anything even potentially criminal here. Do you?

Criminal? Legal? When it comes to the state, nothing they do is "criminal", almost by definition.

Is it wrong or undesirable for a sitting President to use the powers of government to create a false crime to be used against a political opponent, and then be used to hamstring the next presidency, if that opponent manages to win?

Or is it only wrong if it is the Trump Administration, which you are now accusing of making up a crime?

 

[Invisible Man]

Criminal? Legal? When it comes to the state, nothing they do is "criminal", almost by definition.

Is it wrong or undesirable for a sitting President to use the powers of government to create a false crime to be used against a political opponent, and then be used to hamstring the next presidency, if that opponent manages to win?

Or is it only wrong if it is the Trump Administration, which you are now accusing of making up a crime?

It's always wrong to do that.

But Gabbard is making a fool out of herself here, presumably at Trump's behest.

Also, I can't see anything in the information she released to substantiate the charge that Obama used the powers of government to create a false crime to use against Trump. Can you?

That's what's so weird about this.

 

[Intrepid]

Palestine who?

Anybody else thinking that this (and Epstein files) is a coordinated distraction to get Genocides-R-Us out of the headlines?

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Palestine who?

Anybody else thinking that this (and Epstein files) is a coordinated distraction to get Genocides-R-Us out of the headlines?

Epstein files are potentially being pushed by Dems to distract from the genocide.

This is clearly being pushed by MAGA to distract from the Epstein files.

It's funny because Epstein was likely deeply associated with Mossad/deep state.

 

[CaptUSA]

It's always wrong to do that.

But Gabbard is making a fool out of herself here, presumably at Trump's behest.

Also, I can't see anything in the information she released to substantiate the charge that Obama used the powers of government to create a false crime to use against Trump. Can you?

That's what's so weird about this.

There are potential charges that could arise from this. But it's doubtful they'll actually do anything.

18 U.S.C. § 793(d) & (e) (Espionage Act) • Prohibits willful communication, delivery, or retention of national defense information knowing it could harm the U.S. or aid a foreign nation. • Penalty: up to 10 years’ imprisonment per violation.

18 U.S.C. § 1924 • Criminalizes removal and retention of classified materials by government employees. • Penalty: up to 1 year in prison and a fine.

18 U.S.C. § 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy) • Applies if two or more conspire to “overthrow, put down, or destroy” the government by force or to oppose its authority.

18 U.S.C. § 1519 (Destruction/Tampering of Records) • Bars knowingly altering or concealing records with intent to obstruct an investigation. • Penalty: up to 20 years’ imprisonment.

From my take, here's the most likely violation with the most proof:

18 U.S.C. § 371 (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States) • Targets two or more persons conspiring to impair government functions (e.g., manufacturing false intelligence). • Penalty: up to 5 years’ imprisonment.

There are possibly more charged that could be brought in theory, but if people start testifying, you'll see "Executive Privilege" being used all over.

 

[Invisible Man]

There are potential charges that could arise from this. But it's doubtful they'll actually do anything.

18 U.S.C. § 793(d) & (e) (Espionage Act) • Prohibits willful communication, delivery, or retention of national defense information knowing it could harm the U.S. or aid a foreign nation. • Penalty: up to 10 years’ imprisonment per violation.

18 U.S.C. § 1924 • Criminalizes removal and retention of classified materials by government employees. • Penalty: up to 1 year in prison and a fine.

18 U.S.C. § 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy) • Applies if two or more conspire to “overthrow, put down, or destroy” the government by force or to oppose its authority.

18 U.S.C. § 1519 (Destruction/Tampering of Records) • Bars knowingly altering or concealing records with intent to obstruct an investigation. • Penalty: up to 20 years’ imprisonment.

From my take, here's the most likely violation with the most proof:

18 U.S.C. § 371 (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States) • Targets two or more persons conspiring to impair government functions (e.g., manufacturing false intelligence). • Penalty: up to 5 years’ imprisonment.

There are possibly more charged that could be brought in theory, but if people start testifying, you'll see "Executive Privilege" being used all over.

Was anything Gabbard released evidence of anyone manufacturing false intelligence?