DIEBOLD ALERT! Involvement

[Lord Xar]

passing this along: These DIEBOLD machines are really scaring me!

Can we get a clarification if this is something to look into (read below).

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Send this everywhere!

To Ron Paul Supporters: Aug 2, 2007

Everything we are all doing is going to be brought to NAUGHT --- if the Diebold computers being used to “count” the votes by the Iowa GOP at the Iowa Straw Poll – are used to STEAL the Straw Poll Election from Ron Paul.

YES – despite a study from computer scientists at the University of California paid for by the Secretary of State of California – publicized in the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times LAST SATURDAY (July 28, 2007) – the Iowa GOP is STILL planning to use the easily rigged Diebold computers to “count” the vote at the Straw poll!

You see, the study showed that the Diebold computers were easily hacked, easily rigged, -- and totally unreliable for conducting elections. And this is old news, several authoritative studies have already shown this from MIT, Cal Tech, Princeton University, and numerous other sources.

Search “Diebold Princeton University” on YOUTUBE – and you can see a 9 minute demonstration. Add “FOX News” to the search – and there is another 3 minute demonstration by these scientists on FOX News.

Citizens for a Fair Vote Count and allies are conducting a verification EXIT POLL at the Ames Straw Poll. We’re asking all Ron Paul people who vote in the Ames Straw Poll in the official election on the easily rigged Diebold Machines – to cast a second “ballot” in our exit poll. IF WE COME UP with 5000 Ron Paul exit poll ballots – the Iowa GOP better not say he only got 2000 votes! Get the point?

WE NEED YOU! Did you see the movie BRAVEHEART??? We need the Highlanders to come down to the “battle” at Ames, Iowa on August 11, 2007 – by the hundreds – and the thousands. We need about 200 volunteers to work with our verification “exit poll” on the day of August 11 --- sign up at the election reform meetup, which is at this address:

http://electionreform.meetup.com/165/

We need 30 or 40 people donating an average of $100 to help us pay for the ballots, t-shirts, headquarters, banners, tables, chairs, etc. to make sure that Ron Paul’s vote is not stolen! Even $5 will help! Please email your contributions to paypal at: [email protected] – you can also find the donate button at the above election reform meetup address.We can confront the computer votefraud issue at Ames, Iowa in a big way!

Millions of our fellow Americans have fought and bled and died over the past 200 years for our freedoms --- let’s not let Diebold and the Iowa GOP spit on their sacrifice in Ames by conducting yet another SECRET VOTE “COUNT.” Let all of us HONOR the sacrifice of all our fallen soldiers over 200 years by ENSURING AN OPEN AND HONEST VOTE COUNT.

For more info, go to this web page for two stories: http://www.votefraud.org/ron_paul_stop_the_votefraud_page.htm
– one tells what happened at the Ames Straw Poll in 1995. One (A House without Doors) tells about the proven vote fraud against Pat Buchanan in the 1996 Iowa Presidential Caucuses, and how it was done. See you in Ames?

Jim Condit Jr.
Citizens for a Fair Vote Count; [email protected]

Jim Palmisano
National Ron Paul Supporters Meetup
Missouri Coordinator: Restore the Republic
Missouri Coordinator: We the People Congress

 

[Shatterhand]

 

[Richie]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. These things need to be DESTROYED! It makes me so angry. Hurray for absentee!

 

[max]

where is national HQ on this issue?

I hope Kent Snyder et al. aren't so naive that they can't see this.

If Diebold machines are being used, we are all just wasting our time.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Electronic voting machines are very hackable.

Watch this...
Hacking Democracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=61&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[LibertyEagle]

The RP Supporter conference call starts in a few minutes. Condit is usually on there.

 

[Mister Grieves]

When I voted last election cycle it was on one of these machines and I got a receipt that it printed out afterwards. I'm pretty sure it indicated what I voted for on it. People need to be sure to keep these in case anything funny happens.

 

[paulitics]

This is serious business. I applaud this idea of the exit poll. Lets continue to get the word out.

 

[Gee]

Electronic voting machines are very hackable.

Watch this...
Hacking Democracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=61&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

So are paper voting machines. The best and most accurate way to count votes would be an open-source electronic solution. Then any coder could look at it and identify any possible errors.

Vote-counting would be one of the most trivial and easily-solved security problems in computer science. But anything other than an open-source solution is a wrong move, IMO. Voting is such an incredibly easy and solvable problem in computer science, that malfunction is really inexcusable.

 

[Richie]

Here's how elections/polls should work. I'm actually basing this off of another idea, so if it sounds a lot like your own, it's probably you.

Touch screen voting machines with open source software is the way to go. However, each machine should be independent of the rest. No networking or anything. The memory card should be internal, and the case should open with a key combination (harder to pick then a lock). Once you cast your vote, a receipt comes out with what you voted for. You leave the booth and put it in the box. Both the paper receipts and the votes on the machines should be counted. If they don't match, recount or reelection. And the counting should be done in the open and open to the public.

 

[Oregon 4 RP]

I hope Kent Snyder et al. aren't so naive that they can't see this.

If Diebold machines are being used, we are all just wasting our time.

What you say here needs to be yelled into the ears of those in charge of Ron's campaign. Nothing is more important than this. Does anyone on this forum know how to get that simple message to the campaign so that we know that it has been heard and what their response is?

 

[Bossobass]

When Bush stole the Y2K and 2004 elections, there was one key difference to a Ron Paul vote...Bush's opponents didn't contest the election.

Kerry had a room full of the top election attorneys in the US. One of them said that if all they had as evidence was New Mexico, they would win. Now that they had the exit poll numbers for Ohio vs the 'count', they were chompin' at the bit.

He said they watched on the news as Kerry conceded the election, less than 12 hours after the polls had closed.. When the candidate concedes, there can be no further investigation. Their jaws dropped.

The point here is that as long as RP contests the vote, we can investigate.

This is a strong deterent against rigging a Straw Poll, IMO, but we have the guy who will contest, if there's evidence. This is why it's imperative to conduct a credible exit poll.

It's a big job. I can't possibly attend Iowa past Wednesday, but I applaud the program, and will certainly pay the $100.00

Whomever is in charge of payments, PM me.

Bosso

 

[Cindy]

What you say here needs to be yelled into the ears of those in charge of Ron's campaign. Nothing is more important than this. Does anyone on this forum know how to get that simple message to the campaign so that we know that it has been heard and what their response is?

They know.

Here's a different perspective about becoming discouraged from spreading "the message" because of the high probability of foul play being used to keep Paul from ever seeing the oval Oofice.

The message is bigger then that, him or one election in '08 and needs to keep being spread for it's own sake of waking up Americans.

Would you have evn known about the Diebold machines had you not become a Paul supporter and learned about them through here?

How many Americans, including journalists, still have no clue about the CFR, the Trilateral commision, the NAU treaty in the works, etc?

How many Americans, still believe that the Federal Reserve banks are owned by the U.S. Government or know that 1/3 of the 8 trillion dollar national debt we are in, is owed to CHINA? China holds the rights to some U.S. soil as collateral for it.

How many Americans do not know that they are now legally be considered terrorists if they express opposition to Bush and the war and can be held without habeous corpous?

It goes on and on and I bet the amount is 4% of Americans at best.

Pauls campaign and this coming Presidential election is a PRIME vehicle for getting the attention of others and waking them up to how their country and their liberty is being hijacked right out from under their noses.

Make it be about spreading the message while we have the vehicle for it to take us many miles around the country with it.

The rEVOLution must go on with or without Paul and beyond the straw polls, beyond the primaries and beyond the 2008 elections.

This is what I tell myself when I get discouraged about foul play and think I am wasting my time. It's not a waste, yet rather, Pauls campaign is a great opportunity to wake the sleeping country up with the bells of Liberty!!!!!

 

[EvoPro]

So are paper voting machines. The best and most accurate way to count votes would be an open-source electronic solution. Then any coder could look at it and identify any possible errors.

Vote-counting would be one of the most trivial and easily-solved security problems in computer science. But anything other than an open-source solution is a wrong move, IMO. Voting is such an incredibly easy and solvable problem in computer science, that malfunction is really inexcusable.

I will back this up. Open Source is the most important factor for all machines involved. There would also have to be a way to verify the code running the machine is the same as the open source code and be sure that it can't be changed on election day.

 

[Avalon]

I really hope Jim Condit has changed his plans for the exit polls. What he suggested a couple weeks ago would have been worse than doing nothing at all.

Continuing the off topic conversation:

I will back this up. Open Source is the most important factor for all machines involved. There would also have to be a way to verify the code running the machine is the same as the open source code and be sure that it can't be changed on election day.

Yes, and that the hardware is also entirely "open" and can also be verified to be unmodified. Neither of these things are simple to do with absolute certainty. And then you need experts (provided by the campaigns) examining the voting machines at all the polling places to make sure...and guess which candidates would be able to afford that.

And even if you solved all of those problems...there will still be disenfranchised voters who still believe their vote isn't counted.

An open source tallying machine would be better than closed source certainly...but it would be much better to simply have the machine produce a ballot which the voter verifies before dropping it in (a carefully designed) box and then count those easily read ballots by hand. All of this following strict rules and allowing public view (in person and via camera feed over the internet) of all ballots at all times.

I have an even better solution than that...but this is really all off topic.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Why all this insane talk of any machines at all!! What is so hard to grasp, paper ballots only, scrap every machine unless one has fetish or an absolute worshiping of technology. I can envision world like in Star trek still casting paper ballots, is that so hard to see.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

When I voted last election cycle it was on one of these machines and I got a receipt that it printed out afterwards. I'm pretty sure it indicated what I voted for on it. People need to be sure to keep these in case anything funny happens.

But you'll never be able to keep everyone around to recount receipts. We should have Ron Paul representatives not just collecting receipts, but with a portable copy machine or scanner(s) at all polling stations. Will we look like kooks? I don't know. Might keep them honest, maybe.

Techies, what's the best portable way to scan or copy? How many polling booths will there be?

Edit to say: You know, I'd be a little cranky if Ron Paul lost because we didn't do enough work or people just didn't agree with him, but for him to lose AFTER ALL THE MONEY I've put in (and you all too) AND 80 HOURS volunteerism in the last week (and each of yours) because votes were stolen, well, 1776 was child's play.

 

[akalucas]

They're going to be talking about the diebold machine problem tonight for 1 hour on coast to coast am radio program starting at 11pm pacific time. The guest talking about the problem is Bev Harris.

listen here http://www.kfi640.com/main.html

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

They're going to be talking about the diebold machine problem tonight for 1 hour on coast to coast am radio program starting at 11pm pacific time. The guest talking about the problem is Bev Harris.

If they take callins, someone call in about the IA Straw Poll. I have to hit the hay.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

But you'll never be able to keep everyone around to recount receipts. We should have Ron Paul representatives not just collecting receipts, but with a portable copy machine or scanner(s) at all polling stations. Will we look like kooks? I don't know. Might keep them honest, maybe.

Techies, what's the best portable way to scan or copy? How many polling booths will there be?

Edit to say: You know, I'd be a little cranky if Ron Paul lost because we didn't do enough work or people just didn't agree with him, but for him to lose AFTER ALL THE MONEY I've put in (and you all too) AND 80 HOURS volunteerism in the last week (and each of yours) because votes were stolen, well, 1776 was child's play.

I didn't understand what you were trying to do. Could you have people with digital cameras to photograph the receipts. With these cameras the date can show on it plus one can check to see if it is clear photo before the people leave.