did obama just sign away our sovereignty?

marcirvine said:
Another executive order attempts to align US laws and regulations with international regulations, bypassing Congress and our own lawmaking process.

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...international-law-for-the-united-states/14439

Any other interpretations? The wording of this order is pretty confusing...
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Mainly, it permits UN law inside the US. From my understand, this makes UN law triumphant over the Constitution. It's a loophole to serve the will of the UN.
 
marcirvine said:
did obama just sign away our sovereignty?
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Just? He has been pissing on the Constitution for years now. Listen to Leon Panetta or anyone of the WH legal team. They have no respect for the sovereignty of our nation. They have stated publicly that U.N. resolutions trump U.S. law. He signs "executive decisions" (treaties) without the approval of Congress. He went into Libya with an U.N. resolution. Even George Bush and Bill Clinton etc. had some class about them when blatantly ignoring the Constitution i.e. secrecy. Obama flaunts it. He literally doesn't seem to G.A.F. His executive orders are treasonous. Every last one (thousand) of them.
 
Can you show me where does it says that in case of difference, international law trumps the Constitution? All I see is "examine," "coordinate," develop..."
 
Publicani said:
Can you show me where does it says that in case of difference, international law trumps the Constitution? All I see is "examine," "coordinate," develop..."
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The wording of the first portion of section 2 says it all, even though it is put within the flowery terminology of 'coordination and develop.'

Sec. 2. Coordination of International Regulatory Cooperation. (a) The Regulatory Working Group (Working Group) established by Executive Order 12866 of September 30, 1993 (Regulatory Planning and Review), which was reaffirmed by Executive Order 13563, shall, as appropriate:
(i) serve as a forum to discuss, coordinate, and develop a common understanding among agencies of U.S. Government positions and priorities

We have to take the term 'executive order' literally, as when a military sergeant 'orders' a private to do something. This executive order 'orders' the regulatory working group to coordinate and develop a working understanding between the US and any international bodies and laws which 'differ' from American policies. As such, the president (dictator) is 'ordering' that group to find ways to bring the US in compliance with the respective international bodies and laws, thereby bypassing the Congress and American laws that exist.
You have to learn to read between the lines on this flowery Orwellian 'doublespeak.'
 
marcirvine said:
You have to learn to read between the lines on this flowery Orwellian 'doublespeak.'
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Obama has done enough openly including killing an American citizen without a trial. Do we improve our case by "reading between the lines?"
 
Publicani said:
Obama has done enough openly including killing an American citizen without a trial. Do we improve our case by "reading between the lines?"
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Much of what governments do is laced with flowery language when it is in fact evil. Try reading the constitution for the Soviet Union. So, yes, if you want to know what the government is really up to, you have to 'read between the lines.' We do not do so to make our case; we do so to know what the govt. is really up to.
 
Funny. My sovereignty was taken away 192 years before I was born.

Obama just leased partial ownership of his slaves to some other slavemasters.
 
Article 6, Clause 2 - This Constitution and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution [of any state] or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
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I know that the SC has often traversed the boundaries of Reason; however, I do not believe that Clause 2 lends itself elastic interpretations.

Executive Orders carry the weight of law—Clause 2 is clear—laws made in pursuance of this Constitution are laws which are made within the strict and limited confines of the Constitution itself. No federal, state, or international law, rule or bureaucratic regulation and no state constitution can supersede this Constitution.

Fed obtains its power solely from the Constitution. It is not logical to think that fed has the power to circumvent that which grants its power.

T Kosciuszko

Mr. Jefferson's brilliance was epitome of liberal philosophy
Revolutionary is the romantic ideal: Ennobling Humanity.

King George and the Torries were conservatives.
 
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I don't think Congress wants to see this go away, since they believe they have a "shoo in" party President this election cycle.
 
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