Debate for National Health Care Starts on the House Floor @ 1030 EST / 0730PST 11/7

[tangent4ronpaul]

Thanks, hard to keep everything straight. So you're sayin' there's a chance...

Yes - a chance. But it's not looking good.

I think some of the NO votes are politically expedient to protect Blue Dogs from loosing their re-elections. It's going to be close, but I think we are going to loose this round.

I think we have a better chance of defeating it in the Senate.

-t

 

[penfold25]

Im not sure why people here follow blindnessly on republicans thinking every thing they do is right. In Australia people pay 1000 dollars a year on a single payer system. Which gets us free healthcare and then you want to you have the option to buy private health insurance on top if you want 'better private healthcare'. Which is only a few thousand a year anyways.

I think if most people on here realised how bad there system was compared to the world they would realise they were getting screwed. For 1000 a year, even less if you earning 50,000 a year, you would be able to go to a doctor for free anytime you like, with the option of paying to see a private medical doctor if you want to.

I believe in conservative principles but i believe if people on this board stopped having blinkers they would realise they would be better off.

 

[Dieseler]

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Another lost neighbor.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Im not sure why people here follow blindnessly on republicans thinking every thing they do is right. In Australia people pay 1000 dollars a year on a single payer system. Which gets us free healthcare and then you want to you have the option to buy private health insurance on top if you want 'better private healthcare'. Which is only a few thousand a year anyways.

I think if most people on here realised how bad there system was compared to the world they would realise they were getting screwed. For 1000 a year, even less if you earning 50,000 a year, you would be able to go to a doctor for free anytime you like, with the option of paying to see a private medical doctor if you want to.

I believe in conservative principles but i believe if people on this board stopped having blinkers they would realise they would be better off.

Must be nice to be you! - but we are not talking about $1,000 a year health coverage. We are talking about $15,000 a year coverage for the lowest tear.

This is about MASSIVE TAXES, paying for Expensive care rather than making health care affordable, and a gift to big pharma, the insurance co's etc.

-t

 

[1836er]

Must be nice to be you! - but we are not talking about $1,000 a year health coverage. We are talking about $15,000 a year coverage for the lowest tear.

This is about MASSIVE TAXES, paying for Expensive care rather than making health care affordable, and a gift to big pharma, the insurance co's etc.

-t

Even worse, it's enslaving more and more of us to government.

 

[Original_Intent]

Nice to see Jim Matheson is going to vote 'No'. I got a bad feeling in my gut this beast is going to pass the House though. Sure would be great to bury it now, I trust the Senate even less than the House to do the right thing.

 

[pcosmar]

Im not sure why people here follow blindnessly on republicans thinking every thing they do is right. In Australia people pay 1000 dollars a year on a single payer system. Which gets us free healthcare and then you want to you have the option to buy private health insurance on top if you want 'better private healthcare'. Which is only a few thousand a year anyways.

I think if most people on here realised how bad there system was compared to the world they would realise they were getting screwed. For 1000 a year, even less if you earning 50,000 a year, you would be able to go to a doctor for free anytime you like, with the option of paying to see a private medical doctor if you want to.

I believe in conservative principles but i believe if people on this board stopped having blinkers they would realise they would be better off.

Bleh

 

[KenInMontiMN]

Somebody's paying the freight for that in Australia, penfold25...and in America there is no hope to fund anything other than with deeper national debt. We have a constitution that forbids such federal intrusion into state and individual matters, and some of us still take that very seriously. Really, the only way out of the present national and worldwide mess is for Americans to begin to stand together in insisting on limited govt and fiscal responsibility.

But people on here don't blindlessly follow Republicans....Republicans on the national level have done their fair share and then some to lead us to the brink.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Did it pass?

 

[Cowlesy]

I'm afraid it will pass. They know if they get this through it will never be repealed like all the other programs. They might lose a few seats but the real anger will pass before the next two elections because none of this will go into effect until after Obama's second term. They are playing their hand well.

Yep.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't have a view on abortion overall but Ill be damned if taxpayers should be federally mandated to pay for someone's abortion.

This.

Whether you are for or against the practice of abortion, the idea of taking someone who sincerely believes it is murder, taking THEIR tax dollars at gunpoint and using those dollars to pay for what they sincerely believe is murder, is a particularly vicious kind of evil.

 

[awake]

I love it when these guys claim moral high ground on anything.

 

[Cowlesy]

Politico is saying Pelosi has it locked up.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29263.html

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The thing with the abortion amendment. Numerous democrats have said that there is nothing in the legislation that allows federal funding for abortions, yet they still vote against. If that is true, why not just vote for the Stupak amendment?

I'm actually reading p110 ln17 of the bill itself right now, where it is indeed authorized w/ taxpayer money.

Page 110 of PelosiCare:

(B) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUND-
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ING IS ALLOWED.—The services described in
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this subparagraph are abortions for which the
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expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for
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the Department of Health and Human Services
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is permitted, based on the law as in effect as
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of the date that is 6 months before the begin-
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ning of the plan year involved.
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Hmmm what did those Dems say about it not being allowed? Did they not read the bill?

 

[Ninja Homer]

This.

Whether you are for or against the practice of abortion, the idea of taking someone who sincerely believes it is murder, taking THEIR tax dollars at gunpoint and using those dollars to pay for what they sincerely believe is murder, is a particularly vicious kind of evil.

I feel that universal health care is just as bad. The government is forcibly taking kids away from parents when the kids don't want to take chemo, and then forcing the chemo onto them. And now they want to force me to pay for it.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Did it pass?

Not yet - still in debate about the GOP alternative

-t

 

[penfold25]

15,000 for any person is unbelievable. I understand totally , ive been against the fed, states rights, and keeping control of the deficit.

The reason i was saying it was this, in aus the seperation from businesses from retirement and healthcare is important. Businesses should never have to carry those burdens. They dont in Australia so during the down times businesses dont have to pay pension plans which can essentially bankrupt the country as well as healthcare costs.

I also believe in foreign trade that the US should impose all imports to apply environmental impacts on their products including occupational health and safety in the workplace as US companies do.

I believe in alot of RPs ideas and follow the CFL all the time but on healthcare i believe should be a public good and dont necessarily agree the market will do the right thing by the consumer. Also the seperation of healthcare from business should be a factor.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

This.

Whether you are for or against the practice of abortion, the idea of taking someone who sincerely believes it is murder, taking THEIR tax dollars at gunpoint and using those dollars to pay for what they sincerely believe is murder, is a particularly vicious kind of evil.

Kind of like China executing people and making their family pay for the bullet.

-t

 

[pcosmar]

This pisses me off.
I am not represented.
I have no health care coverage.
I DO NOT WANT health care coverage. I do not want to pay for insurance, for anybody.
I am not represented.

 

[awake]

"I believe in alot of RPs ideas and follow the CFL all the time but on healthcare i believe should be a public good and dont necessarily agree the market will do the right thing by the consumer. Also the seperation of healthcare from business should be a factor."

You trust the freemarket to get food to your table, with out it you would die. Why is it that people think healthcare in a freemarket would be any different?