DC Police Chief Responds to Adam Kokesh's Planned Armed March

[klamath]

I'm not sure what your point here is.

That the war didn't necessarily give us freedom.

 

[Petar]

It was a joke.
But there is a way to get way more than 10,000 people there if there wasn't the fear mongering bullshit. the more people there, the more secure.

I wouldn't see 10,000 armed Kokeshites in DC as being "secure" at all, I would see it as a powder keg that is ripe for DHS exploitation.

 

[torchbearer]

I wouldn't see 10,000 armed Kokeshites in DC as being "secure" at all, I would see it as a powder keg that is ripe for DHS exploitation.

10000 is the start... every person over that mark decreases the odds of your -oh noez- happening.
do you not want to eliminate the possibility of failure?
this is happening. either you shit, or get off the pot.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

im not trying to "pussy out" in this march, but the law is the law and an arrest whether guilty or not would be unbearable for most. perhaps when they hit the dc line they could pull out plastic toy guns and lay them at the feet of the traitors wearing the uniform?

i cant believe im even suggesting this but they will use this to advance their gun control. however maybe blood shed will break into a pissed off public and washington will fall.

would the usa even exist if not for a few heros who started the ball rolling? nope.

 

[Root]

Adam is a public figure.

You're right, he is. Too bad no other pro 2A public figures have the guts to join him.

 

[Petar]

10000 is the start... every person over that mark decreases the odds of your -oh noez- happening.
do you not want to eliminate the possibility of failure?
this is happening. either you shit, or get off the pot.

I don't know that more marchers decreases the odds of really bad things happening, in fact, I think it may increase them.

I know that it increases the amount of resources in the DHS response, which I don't find particularly reassuring.

Part of me just wishes that Kokesh would go ahead and do this on his own.

Then he could just get arrested himself, and we wouldn't have to worry about something happening that will implode the whole liberty movement.

 

[klamath]

10000 is the start... every person over that mark decreases the odds of your -oh noez- happening.
do you not want to eliminate the possibility of failure?
this is happening. either you shit, or get off the pot.

Or the contrary. Every extra man is that much more tension in the oposing force. For every extra man in the march it increases the odd of a nonpeaceful rifle man. One shot and shit is going down.

 

[Root]

I really hope that Adam is talking to a lawyer about this.

 

[bolil]

Heh, we need a firsthand account of this when it happens. Does RPF Forum Member qualify one for press credentials? lol...

press credentials...

 

[TheTexan]

That the war didn't necessarily give us freedom.

I agree, that the intellectual revolution is critical and must exist prior to any attempts at independence.

But do you not see the similarities, with the intellectual revolution that we have undergone and are undergoing, today? The desire for freedom is strong. Stronger than it's been in a very long time. That desire may only exist in the minority, but hasn't it always? It certainly was in the minority in 1776.

We've had our intellectual revolution. Now we need our independence. Independence won't be given to us. We have to take it. They will object. They will threaten force.

The best way to prevent them from following through with their threat of force, is to make damn sure, that they know their aggressive force will be met with substantial defensive force.

In the event that they follow through with their threat of force anyway, we are left two options:
1) Defend
2) Submit

I can only speak for myself, but submission is not an option.

 

[torchbearer]

Or the contrary. Every extra man is that much more tension in the oposing force. For every extra man in the march it increases the odd of a nonpeaceful rifle man. One shot and shit is going down.

and to the extreme, i'd like to see them gun down one million americans and think there won't be hell to pay.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I wouldn't see 10,000 armed Kokeshites in DC as being "secure" at all, I would see it as a powder keg that is ripe for DHS exploitation.

He has balls of steel. You have balls of fluff.

 

[Petar]

He has balls of steel. You have balls of fluff.

Which interestingly enough does not preclude you from sucking them, heh.

 

[klamath]

and to the extreme, i'd like to see them gun down one million americans and think there won't be hell to pay.

Yes it would spark a violent revolution exactly what I DON'T want. I see our odds of getting more freedom a 1000 times better peacefully than through a revolution that in my estimation we would lose.

 

[torchbearer]

Yes it would spark a violent revolution exactly what I DON'T want. I see our odds of getting more freedom a 1000 times better peacefully than through a revolution that in my estimation we would lose.

the pigs would shit themselves with overwhelming numbers. people aren't there to kill them, so if they are the ones who are driven away by fear, we win.

When people fear the government, there is tyranny.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

 

[tod evans]

How hard is to understand that if this march goes out of control, then that could directly result in DHS rounding up all patriots, and with full public support.

Simple cause and effect man.

A massive shootout that results in 60 or 70 million voters electing a massive progressive, anti gun Congress.

Oooookay...

Got it....

 

[TheTexan]

I see our odds of getting more freedom a 1000 times better peacefully

It's always possible. Historically there aren't just a whole lot of examples of gaining independence without at least some blood shed.

The way I see it, is there are only three options to gain freedom:
1) Convince enough people in America to give us permission to be free
2) Take freedom and be sufficiently armed to do it without their permission
3) Run into the mountains or the ocean or an island and hope they don't find you

#1 Isn't going to happen.

#2 Could be peaceful. The better armed and the more prepared we are to defend ourselves, the better the chance for peace.

If you're not prepared to defend yourself, at all, you will have to go with option #3. If you try #2 without being prepared to defend yourself, you will either be killed, or enslaved.

(I suppose you could possibly convince the people in America to give you permission to be free if you paid them enough. But that would be quite the large sum of cash!! And this is a theoretical possibility at best)

 

[klamath]

It's always possible. Historically there aren't just a whole lot of examples of gaining independence without at least some blood shed.

The way I see it, is there are only three options to gain freedom:
1) Convince enough people in America to give us permission to be free
2) Take freedom and be sufficiently armed to do it without their permission
3) Run into the mountains or the ocean or an island and hope they don't find you

#1 Isn't going to happen.

#2 Could be peaceful. The better armed and the more prepared we are to defend ourselves, the better the chance for peace.

If you're not prepared to defend yourself, at all, you will have to go with option #3. If you try #2 without being prepared to defend yourself, you will either be killed, or enslaved.

Independence does not equal freedom. Lots of countries have gained independence through violence but not many people have gained freedom through violence.

 

[klamath]

Independence does not equal freedom. Lots of countries have gained independence through violence but not many people have gained freedom through violence.

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[Anti Federalist]

Much is made of the Indian Independence movement and Ghandi's role and policy of passive resistance.

Well, that's not the whole story, in fact, if it wasn't for militant factions and rebellions going on for a hundred years prior to that, there would have been no movement to speak of.

Not to mention the fact that the primary reason England "granted" India independence in 1947 was because it was a beaten and broken shell of itself, having barely survived WWII, in in no position to maintain an Empire any longer.