Tulsa Police Chief: Might be Time to Trade Some Freedom for Gun Control

[unknown]

In our country's hierarchy, they're the public servants, they're job is to serve the citizen.

Give up your firearms, do your part in ensuring, encouraging and strengthening the citizen's self defense rights.

 

[ClaytonB]

I don't see how. The law remains, even though the other thing it mandates, air bags, are not only more dangerous in minor collisions (including knocking the driver's hands off the wheel) and dangerous to tow and salvage workers because they ooze poison, but the activators turned out to be shrapnel grenades.

And yet, like the eugenicists they are, they haven't backed off. They keep mandating more bags.

Yeah, I was talking only about the stupid motorized shoulder-straps, which is why I edited your post to focus just on that quote. Any sufficiently advanced degree of insanity collapses in upon itself because it can do nothing else. It's like gravity. Believe you can fly all you want, but when gravity gets ahold of you, your beliefs won't matter. The Clown-"elites" are gravity-deniers. They believe in the insane-and-impossible. Whenever they push past the point of self-collapsing insanity, it collapses in upon itself, as with those stupid motorized seat-belts. So, yes, it's a symbol that shows in plain view the strict limits that divine power places upon the foolish, petty games of the Clown-"elites".

 

[Occam's Banana]

 

[devil21]

Police departments are unelected, for-profit corporations. Sheriff's departments are elected state Constitutional public servants. Never forget the difference.

 

[TheTexan]

It might be time to trade some ammo for some freedom

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672676156548718592

Neither myself, or anybody else that I know of personally, in 50 years of shooting and owning weapons, has ever been this recklessly dangerous with a firearm.

 

[PAF]

+rep

The time is long past for robust defense of what is ours.

Arms are the final fig leaf.

If you think what we are suffering from our oppressors is bad now, wait until they disarm us.

I'm confused. Which position are you taking?

Just a personal observation, and I could be wrong, but there's an awful lot of gun-folk that I've spoken with who will indeed stand outside for a couple of hours after work/before ball practice to protest. But when ordinances and statutes pass, which are repugnant to the Law of the Land, they are "very good citizens". Those damned foreigners and Bill Gates!

466 Million (Whoa! Almost HALF A BILLION!!!) guns owned by civilians. One would think with that many guns, there wouldn't be any legislation whatsoever which would in any way, shape or form oppose the 2nd A. Unfortunately, I guess the UNARMED PEOPLE ball point pen is mightier than an armed populace the sword, even when it comes to "Natural/God-given" Rights.

I know, I know, according to the left AND the right, I'm just one of those crazy extremists.

 

[ClaytonB]

466 Million (Whoa! Almost HALF A BILLION!!!) guns owned by civilians.

466 million guns that we know about...

 

[PAF]

466 million guns that we know about...

Test Firing My 3D Printed MP5!

Which proves my entire point.

Ah well. Keep them hidden. And under lock and key. For safety, for goodness sake.

 

[ClaytonB]

Which proves my entire point.

Ah well. Keep them hidden. And under lock and key. For safety, for goodness sake.

What point? That you've been black-pilled? The Deep State has never once hit armor. And by the time they realize they have hit it, it will be too late. They cannot even begin to conceive what is coming for them.

 

[PAF]

What point? That you've been black-pilled? The Deep State has never once hit armor. And by the time they realize they have hit it, it will be too late. They cannot even begin to conceive what is coming for them.

The point that I made in Post #27:

466 Million (Whoa! Almost HALF A BILLION!!!) guns owned by civilians. One would think with that many guns, there wouldn't be any legislation whatsoever which would in any way, shape or form oppose the 2nd A. Unfortunately, I guess the UNARMED PEOPLE ball point pen is mightier than an armed populace the sword, even when it comes to "Natural/God-given" Rights.

 

[ClaytonB]

One would think with that many guns, there wouldn't be any legislation whatsoever which would in any way, shape or form oppose the 2nd A

You think that because you don't know the history of gun control. When the NFA was passed, there probably wasn't even 10% of that number of guns in the US. The purpose of the 2A is as a backstop against tyranny, not as a permit-slip for gun-toting, rabble-rousing thugs. The Left perpetually misunderstands the 2A because they're a bunch of vicious attack dogs, who are addicted to brawling and guns+brawling don't mix. They can't comprehend the idea of being armed and civilized, because they're not civilized. "The number of guns" has almost nothing to do with it. Doing a house-to-house gun-grab in deep-red territory would be a far worse nightmare than Baghdad. No, the Deep State isn't going to find out what real armor is until they get stupid enough to actually make a gun-grab attempt. This isn't Waco. This isn't Ruby Ridge. And this isn't the 1990s. The psychotic Left all so focused on popular gun-ownership in the US, they don't see the real threat sneaking up from behind. When it hits, they'll be hiding behind American gun-owners and praying to God in thanks that the Founding Fathers understood that America needed a 2nd Amendment...

 

[PAF]

You think that because you don't know the history of gun control. When the NFA was passed, there probably wasn't even 10% of that number of guns in the US. The purpose of the 2A is as a backstop against tyranny, not as a permit-slip for gun-toting, rabble-rousing thugs. The Left perpetually misunderstands the 2A because they're a bunch of vicious attack dogs, who are addicted to brawling and guns+brawling don't mix. They can't comprehend the idea of being armed and civilized, because they're not civilized. "The number of guns" has almost nothing to do with it. Doing a house-to-house gun-grab in deep-red territory would be a far worse nightmare than Baghdad. No, the Deep State isn't going to find out what real armor is until they get stupid enough to actually make a gun-grab attempt. This isn't Waco. This isn't Ruby Ridge. And this isn't the 1990s. The psychotic Left all so focused on popular gun-ownership in the US, they don't see the real threat sneaking up from behind. When it hits, they'll be hiding behind American gun-owners and praying to God in thanks that the Founding Fathers understood that America needed a 2nd Amendment...

Like during Katrina.

Yeah. Ok.

Re-read Post #27, just for the heck of it.

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm confused. Which position are you taking?

My position is very clear and simple.

Both "sides" (government and the people) are well aware that half a billion small arms and multiple trillions of rounds of ammo are in the hands of the people.

Both sides are well aware that there is a less than 1 percent chance that those arms will ever be used for their intended purpose: that being, to overthrow a corrupt and repressive government.

But because there is that shadow of doubt, that shred of an idea that, just possibly, the sheep might find their teeth, it keeps our oppressors ever so slightly in check and unable to proceed with the very worst of their plans.

 

[PAF]

My position is very clear and simple.

Both "sides" (government and the people) are well aware that half a billion small arms and multiple trillions of rounds of ammo are in the hands of the people.

Both sides are well aware that there is a less than 1 percent chance that those arms will ever be used for their intended purpose: that being, to overthrow a corrupt and repressive government.

But because there is that shadow of doubt, that shred of an idea that, just possibly, the sheep might find their teeth, it keeps our oppressors ever so slightly in check and unable to proceed with the very worst of their plans.

We touched on this before in another thread. I can agree with everything that you said, up until the bolded part. I tend to believe the opposite; the oppressors "allow" you to have your little .45 BB-guns to keep you in check. They won't take those away, because as long as you're quibbling over bump stocks and pistol braces, and the "right" to carry without a little piece paper, anything worth having still has to be licensed, registered, tracked and monitored, and they know most of the population doesn't have the means, desire, or want the headaches involved to even obtain them. Wait, scratch that - even everything less worth having still has to be registered, tracked and monitored.

Until the People, including folks like [MENTION=35009]ClaytonB[/MENTION], realize that, everything will continue to be little bones here and there to appease the spineless populace.

Gun control is being pursued very aggressively by many factions, and by this heinous government continuously, but it is not just one side or the other, it is both in many circumstances. If it were not, there would not be thousands and thousands of laws (obviously agreed to by both sides) against owning guns, regardless of the type of weapon. It seems that most of the pro-gun people firmly believe that they are protected by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. This is farcical, an outright lie, and ludicrous. No constitution, or any amendment to such a worthless government document, drafted by politicians, can protect any ‘right.’ The right to self-defense is natural, and no government piece of parchment can protect natural inherent rights, for government cannot give rights, it only takes them away.

There is much more going on with this recent raid than meets the eye, but the proper questions are not being asked, and therefore certainly not being answered. Why would the government goons expose themselves in such a bold manner with a small gun store in the middle on no-where Montana? Why would they steal information not listed in their bogus warrant; when they have most all that information already? What do the politicians gaining the spotlight due to this so-called raid, have to gain from this mass exposure? Who knew about this in advance, besides the Montana Department of Justice, the police, the IRS, the ATF, and likely several others?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/06...f-gun-raid-in-montana-what-should-be-learned/

 

[acptulsa]

We touched on this before in another thread. I can agree with everything that you said, up until the bolded part. I tend to believe the opposite; the oppressors "allow" you to have your little .45 BB-guns to keep you in check.

Well, they'd rather not. There's a reason the U.S. is their last target. This argument ignores the lesson of Vietnam. Hope the kids have sense enough to listen to the Boomers, because the Viet Cong taught them some fine guerilla tactics.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Why arent the police going after the black markets in US?

 

[PAF]

Well, they'd rather not. There's a reason the U.S. is their last target. This argument ignores the lesson of Vietnam. Hope the kids have sense enough to listen to the Boomers, because the Viet Cong taught them some fine guerilla tactics.

lgbtq+, trans, obesity epidemic (that's one epidemic that is very real), video games, even the boys who sound like girls when they talk... they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, unless there's a bigger bag of chips on the other side.

Yep, I agree. Last target. One that is very well planned out.

 

[PAF]

Why arent the police going after the black markets in US?

There will always be black markets. But the number people who participate in that arena is pretty much insignificant. Sure, it's a revenue stream if one gets caught, but insignificant as far as an over all threat nonetheless.