Tulsa Police Chief: Might be Time to Trade Some Freedom for Gun Control

[ClaytonB]

Yep, I agree. Last target. One that is very well planned out.

So what? Seriously, vomit up that black-pill and go back to the old-fashioned Gospel and real hope.

Psalm 94:11
The Lord knows all human plans; he knows that they are futile.

Habakkuk 2:13
Has not the Lord Almighty determined that the people’s labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

Read the Book. They lose!

 

[Anti Federalist]

We touched on this before in another thread. I can agree with everything that you said, up until the bolded part. I tend to believe the opposite; the oppressors "allow" you to have your little .45 BB-guns to keep you in check. They won't take those away, because as long as you're quibbling over bump stocks and pistol braces, and the "right" to carry without a little piece paper, anything worth having still has to be licensed, registered, tracked and monitored, and they know most of the population doesn't have the means, desire, or want the headaches involved to even obtain them. Wait, scratch that - even everything less worth having still has to be registered, tracked and monitored.

If you lived in NH, you could buy a sidearm in a private citizen to citizen sale, and then carry it, open or concealed, without any government "papers" outside of whatever "bill of sale" that you and the seller agreed to, which is simple common sense in any high dollar transaction.

Because of tireless, never ending political action on the part of numerous RTKBA groups, that is now the situation in over half the country.

Is the population spineless? Of course it is.

Can it be roused to defend it's rights? Yes, the "gun lobby" proves that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

lgbtq+, trans, obesity epidemic (that's one epidemic that is very real), video games, even the boys who sound like girls when they talk... they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, unless there's a bigger bag of chips on the other side.

Yep, I agree. Last target. One that is very well planned out.

Yep, useless cannon fodder.

On the other hand, you should meet my son some day.

Granted, the purple haired freak show of weirdosexuals, trans turds and soyboys get all the headlines, but's there is still some good solid stock left out there.

There are roughly 330 million people in the country, not counting uncountable immigrant invaders of course.

If just one half of one percent picked up arms and committed to a course of guerilla warfare, this whole shitshow would come apart like a cheap suit in a matter of weeks.

Look at what Mavlo and that other clown did in DC right after 9/11.

Two guys with a beat up Chevy Caprice and .22 rifle shut that city the fuck down,

 

[PAF]

If you lived in NH, you could buy a sidearm in a private citizen to citizen sale, and then carry it, open or concealed, without any government "papers" outside of whatever "bill of sale" that you and the seller agreed to, which is simple common sense in any high dollar transaction.

Because of tireless, never ending political action on the part of numerous RTKBA groups, that is now the situation in over half the country.

Is the population spineless? Of course it is.

Can it be roused to defend it's rights? Yes, the "gun lobby" proves that.

lol AF, I'm sitting here laughing... once again, I agree with everything that you said, up until the last part lol

Maybe the next time you respond, leave out the very last part so that we can 100% agree?

gun lobby

 

[Anti Federalist]

lol AF, I'm sitting here laughing... once again, I agree with everything that you said, up until the last part lol

Maybe the next time you respond, leave out the very last part so that we can 100% agree?

gun lobby

What description would you want me to use?

Gun rights advocates?

I've been in that fight for 43 years, and it has gone from serious talk of national handgun bans to where we are now.

Clearly there has been some major successes.

 

[PAF]

What description would you want me to use?

I don't know... once I quit laughing I'll think of something

"Natural-right-absolutist while telling the gun lobby to take a high flying leap" sounds more to my liking... how about that?

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

I want to pose a question to you:

What if. Now think really hard. What if... all of the "gun lobby" groups and organizations just folded up. Everybody quit, no more registration, no more dues, no more meetings, no more counter-legislation. It goes completely dark. With all of the half-a-billion guns in this country, can you even imagine how nervous, terrified even, government/politicians would become, if everything went DARK?

THAT is why I believe the "gun lobby" is a joke, and completely unnecessary.

 

[ClaytonB]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

I want to pose a question to you:

What if. Now think really hard. What if... all of the "gun lobby" groups and organizations just folded up. Everybody quit, no more registration, no more dues, no more meetings, no more counter-legislation. It goes completely dark. With all of the half-a-billion guns in this country, can you even imagine how nervous, terrified even, government/politicians would become, if everything went DARK?

THAT is why I believe the "gun lobby" is a joke, and completely unnecessary.

Not gonna happen. And yes, 2A activism matters, because the last line of defense against the anti-gunners is the dual-hinged jaw of the 2A and local nullification of Federal tyranny. I come from a county out West where the Sheriff has vocally and publicly stated that they not only will not comply with but will actively impede Federal law-enforcement action to impose gun laws. Not only have they said this, but they have shut down attempted raids by the Feds when they tried to do it without a Sheriff's standby, as required by local laws. IOW, "not f-ing around" local resistance to Federal gun-tyranny. And that is not even the most pro-gun county in my home state. And my home state is not the most pro-gun state in the US.

You nervous-nellies need to back off the black-pill, it's scrambling your brains. The 2A is strategic, and this is understood by the sober-minded in DC. While we need to maintain vigilance against further infringement, and continue rolling back past infringements we inherited from our parents, the fact is that the 2A is a Leviathan the Federal government cannot leash, even with its infinity-cash from the Fed. Instead of wringing your hands over the horrific ambitions of the long-discredited ATF, why not invest that energy into purchasing a 3D-printer, and just start making legal gun-parts? I think a half-dozen states have State-level 2A regulation that permits firearms manufactured and sold completely in-State to be exempt from most Federal firearms regulations so, if you really care about this issue so much, the most effective form of activism you can do is to stop yammering and start printing.

 

[PAF]

Not gonna happen. And yes, 2A activism matters, because the last line of defense against the anti-gunners is the dual-hinged jaw of the 2A and local nullification of Federal tyranny. I come from a county out West where the Sheriff has vocally and publicly stated that they not only will not comply with but will actively impede Federal law-enforcement action to impose gun laws. Not only have they said this, but they have shut down attempted raids by the Feds when they tried to do it without a Sheriff's standby, as required by local laws. IOW, "not f-ing around" local resistance to Federal gun-tyranny. And that is not even the most pro-gun county in my home state. And my home state is not the most pro-gun state in the US.

You nervous-nellies need to back off the black-pill, it's scrambling your brains. The 2A is strategic, and this is understood by the sober-minded in DC. While we need to maintain vigilance against further infringement, and continue rolling back past infringements we inherited from our parents, the fact is that the 2A is a Leviathan the Federal government cannot leash, even with its infinity-cash from the Fed. Instead of wringing your hands over the horrific ambitions of the long-discredited ATF, why not invest that energy into purchasing a 3D-printer, and just start making legal gun-parts? I think a half-dozen states have State-level 2A regulation that permits firearms manufactured and sold completely in-State to be exempt from most Federal firearms regulations so, if you really care about this issue so much, the most effective form of activism you can do is to stop yammering and start printing.

[MENTION=35009]ClaytonB[/MENTION] , you are well-intended. But you-just-don't-get-it.

What about printing suppressors? Fully automatic machine guns? Anti-tank and grenade launchers?

Everything that you stated requires permission/effort from others. What will you do someday when government restricts printing? Will you abide by the law? What will be your solution if/when that day comes?

 

[AngryCanadian]

There will always be black markets. But the number people who participate in that arena is pretty much insignificant. Sure, it's a revenue stream if one gets caught, but insignificant as far as an over all threat nonetheless.

There are these criminals "Under Gov Watch" somehow they get released and get these weapons and its very unlikely they get those weapons in weapons from a normal gun store.

 

[ClaytonB]

[MENTION=35009]ClaytonB[/MENTION] , you are well-intended. But you-just-don't-get-it.

No, it is you who truly does not get it:

What about printing suppressors? Fully automatic machine guns? Anti-tank and grenade launchers?

What about it? Yes, you can manufacture federally regulated suppressors in some states without tax-stamp/etc. so long as the part is manufactured completely within the state (meaning, no manufacturing materials move over state-lines) and remains in the state. The ATF has no realistic way to control auto-sears. As for HE devices, those exist but, realistically, the vast majority of the public is not equipped to own or use them so they are pretty niche thing.

In any case, as AF already explained to you, the "potentiality" of armed resistance has nothing to do with "F-15s and nukes", it has everything to do with the political cost of a gun-grab. Every barking-mad policy proposal is potentially on the table... until the blood starts flowing in the streets. Waco forever altered the gun-grabbing equation, and not in favor of the gun-grabbers. That was just 6 dozen innocents. Imagine an entire southern small-town being bulldozed in the same way, at the cost of many deaths and casualties of Federal strorm-troopers.

What do you think will be the long-run political ramifications of that? Something like "a tank in every garage." Even the gun-grabbers are starting to realize the political costs of their folly although they always play stupid for the cameras. The fact that they keep fighting for gun-control -- no matter how clownish the measures involved -- only proves the point that they know that popular gun-ownership is a fatal threat to their Agenda.

Everything that you stated requires permission/effort from others.

No permission required to purchase a 3D-printer. No permission required to purchase filament. No permission required to download models for any part you want to print, including fully-automatic weapons. The government has absolutely no way to track what you are printing on your 3D-printer. If you live in a 10A state and the filament is sourced in-state, you can print anything you want and, if you are savvy, the Federal government will have a hard time doing anything to stop you, even if they do find out what you're doing. None of this is legal advice, and everyone should do their own research and make informed, responsible, legal decisions. Nevertheless, you have a lot more power than you realize. You seem to be stuck in the 90's.

What will you do someday when government restricts printing?

You mean, just like they restricted media piracy?

What will be your solution if/when that day comes?

Oh, they're already trying. That's what all this Internet surveillance/censorship is about. They need to "see everything" so they can know who is downloading files for gun parts. And they want the power to block/censor everything for the same reason. But, as always, it's just clownish nonsense. Their capabilities do not and cannot match their ambitions.

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[PAF]

No, it is you who truly does not get it:

What about it? Yes, you can manufacture federally regulated suppressors in some states without tax-stamp/etc. so long as the part is manufactured completely within the state (meaning, no manufacturing materials move over state-lines) and remains in the state. The ATF has no realistic way to control auto-sears. As for HE devices, those exist but, realistically, the vast majority of the public is not equipped to own or use them so they are pretty niche thing.

In any case, as AF already explained to you, the "potentiality" of armed resistance has nothing to do with "F-15s and nukes", it has everything to do with the political cost of a gun-grab. Every barking-mad policy proposal is potentially on the table... until the blood starts flowing in the streets. Waco forever altered the gun-grabbing equation, and not in favor of the gun-grabbers. That was just 6 dozen innocents. Imagine an entire southern small-town being bulldozed in the same way, at the cost of many deaths and casualties of Federal strorm-troopers.

What do you think will be the long-run political ramifications of that? Something like "a tank in every garage." Even the gun-grabbers are starting to realize the political costs of their folly although they always play stupid for the cameras. The fact that they keep fighting for gun-control -- no matter how clownish the measures involved -- only proves the point that they know that popular gun-ownership is a fatal threat to their Agenda.

No permission required to purchase a 3D-printer. No permission required to purchase filament. No permission required to download models for any part you want to print, including fully-automatic weapons. The government has absolutely no way to track what you are printing on your 3D-printer. If you live in a 10A state and the filament is sourced in-state, you can print anything you want and, if you are savvy, the Federal government will have a hard time doing anything to stop you, even if they do find out what you're doing. None of this is legal advice, and everyone should do their own research and make informed, responsible, legal decisions. Nevertheless, you have a lot more power than you realize. You seem to be stuck in the 90's.

You mean, just like they restricted media piracy?

Oh, they're already trying. That's what all this Internet surveillance/censorship is about. They need to "see everything" so they can know who is downloading files for gun parts. And they want the power to block/censor everything for the same reason. But, as always, it's just clownish nonsense. Their capabilities do not and cannot match their ambitions.

Who owns you?

 

[Anti Federalist]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

I want to pose a question to you:

What if. Now think really hard. What if... all of the "gun lobby" groups and organizations just folded up. Everybody quit, no more registration, no more dues, no more meetings, no more counter-legislation. It goes completely dark. With all of the half-a-billion guns in this country, can you even imagine how nervous, terrified even, government/politicians would become, if everything went DARK?

THAT is why I believe the "gun lobby" is a joke, and completely unnecessary.

I think the opposition would jump at the chance to push total bans and confiscations.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know... once I quit laughing I'll think of something

"Natural-right-absolutist while telling the gun lobby to take a high flying leap" sounds more to my liking... how about that?

Are denying that things are much better wrt to firearms and 2nd amendment issues, now, rather than 40 years ago?

 

[ClaytonB]

Who owns you?

I'm not the one baiting J6-style recklessness. This is not 4Chan or FR or whatever other online hangouts you're used to. Excitable idiots tend to get bored quickly here, since a solid grounding in the philosophy of liberty doesn't have the moron-appeal of "Let's Ride, Boys!!"

If you want to go down in a blaze of Las Vegas shooter glory so badly, lead by example, and go by yourself. Leave the rest of us out of it.

 

[ClaytonB]