Cured Cancer Patient Gets 20 years for selling Apricot Seeds - Vitamin B17 Cure

[AFPVet]

Willie hit on an important point. There is no such thing as a 'cure for cancer' or a magic bullet; however, there are several 'bullets'. There is growing acceptance of holistic medicine and music/art as well... every individual and situation is unique and deserves unique approaches.

 

[dannno]

Willie hit on an important point. There is no such thing as a 'cure for cancer' or a magic bullet; however, there are several 'bullets'. There is growing acceptance of holistic medicine and music/art as well... every individual and situation is unique and deserves unique approaches.

Has anybody here who is opposed to B-17 actually watched this series?

It just seems to me that he lays out what needs to be done pretty clearly, with his two pronged approach of cutting out or significantly reducing meat (particularly red meat) intake and a regimen of B-17. With the science behind this approach, I don't know how you could go wrong unless you waited too long.

Of course, using B-17 as a preventative is much more effective.

 

[Deborah K]

Willie hit on an important point. There is no such thing as a 'cure for cancer' or a magic bullet; however, there are several 'bullets'. There is growing acceptance of holistic medicine and music/art as well... every individual and situation is unique and deserves unique approaches.

Balderdash! There are many cures for cancer. Just ask the people who have survived it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

There is not "A" cure for cancer- cancers are different and respond differently. Treatments have been developed for some but not all cancers. There is no "cure" which works on all of them.

 

[Dr.3D]

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Each capsule holds almost a whole seed.
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What size capsules are you using? I'm using size "single 0" capsules and it takes about 2 and 1/2 capsules to hold one apricot kernel.
Of course, I'm grinding them very, very finely and that might make a difference.

 

[Golding]

I'll watch the documentary posted, but I do have to acknowledge my bias in not really buying into the Vitamin B17 cure from what amount I have seen. While I don't agree with anyone getting 20 years imprisonment for selling a holistic medicine, nor do I inherently disagree with holistic cures in general, I agree with EndDaFed that the research doesn't seem to support the claims.

For me, the most damning thing about the claim is that "cancer" is a really broad disease to claim to cure. It's not like saying a medication cures AIDS, which is a specific viral illness. It's more like saying a certain medication cures viral infection. Different cancers come about in different ways, via different mechanisms. Does Vitamin B17 work against small cell lung cancer? Lymphomas? Leukemias? Melanomas? Adenocarcinoma of the colon? Squamous cell cancer of the esophagus? They aren't the same disease, and anyone that suggests they are all due to the same underlying deficiency... I'm sorry, but it simply isn't so.

While it's certainly important to question the sponsors of particular articles, just saying "IT'S ON A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE" isn't really enough to debunk the study. Having been a part of labs with government grants, I can attest that the actual influence of government bodies is nil. Grants represent more a form of government spending waste than they do any insidious influence. As a result, the motives of a researcher to have the personal glory of discovering the "cure to cancer" is far stronger than the researcher concealing the cure to maintain the profits of the business. Researchers tend to be much less big-picture than that. Again, that's just my own personal experience. Take it for what you will.

Ultimately, if you think you're doing the right thing with Vitamin B17, keep on taking it. If it actually does work out for you, all the better. If it doesn't work out and you need the cancer resected, I'll be there to help you out. If you waited too long and the cancer is inoperable, at least you tried what you felt would have saved your life.

 

[WillieKamm]

I'll watch the documentary posted, but I do have to acknowledge my bias in not really buying into the Vitamin B17 cure from what amount I have seen. While I don't agree with anyone getting 20 years imprisonment for selling a holistic medicine, nor do I inherently disagree with holistic cures in general, I agree with EndDaFed that the research doesn't seem to support the claims.

For me, the most damning thing about the claim is that "cancer" is a really broad disease to claim to cure. It's not like saying a medication cures AIDS, which is a specific viral illness. It's more like saying a certain medication cures viral infection. Different cancers come about in different ways, via different mechanisms. Does Vitamin B17 work against small cell lung cancer? Lymphomas? Leukemias? Melanomas? Adenocarcinoma of the colon? Squamous cell cancer of the esophagus? They aren't the same disease, and anyone that suggests they are all due to the same underlying deficiency... I'm sorry, but it simply isn't so.

While it's certainly important to question the sponsors of particular articles, just saying "IT'S ON A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE" isn't really enough to debunk the study. Having been a part of labs with government grants, I can attest that the actual influence of government bodies is nil. Grants represent more a form of government spending waste than they do any insidious influence. As a result, the motives of a researcher to have the personal glory of discovering the "cure to cancer" is far stronger than the researcher concealing the cure to maintain the profits of the business. Researchers tend to be much less big-picture than that. Again, that's just my own personal experience. Take it for what you will.

Ultimately, if you think you're doing the right thing with Vitamin B17, keep on taking it. If it actually does work out for you, all the better. If it doesn't work out and you need the cancer resected, I'll be there to help you out. If you waited too long and the cancer is inoperable, at least you tried what you felt would have saved your life.

At last, a comprehensive voice of sanity on this very serious subject.

 

[Golding]

Here is the documentary: World without Cancer (regarding B17 found in apricot seeds)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507#

I've been watching the video you linked to, and I have to say that it raises many more questions for me. Is 30-40 grams really considered the effective dose among people who use Vitamin B17? Or did I understand that part wrong? That's an incredible amount, to me.

There are a few claims made that I personally found a bit dubious:
1. Domesticated pets seek out grasses (eg: Johnson grass) rich in nitrilisides, especially when feeling ill. Is there any evidence to this claim? Personally, I've never observed it.

2. How typical is it that apes go after the seed within pits? Is it 100%, as the video seems to suggest? Or do some do it sometimes, and others do it other times. I've opened a peach where the pit just happened to open up, and I've eaten the seed because it looks like an almond. Did I do it because instincts dictated it, or did I do it because it looked like something I've eaten before and liked?

3. One never finds cancer in the carcasses of wild animals killed in the hunt. Is this to suggest that cancer does not occur in the wild? Is it to suggest that anyone ever sends their kill to be examined for cancer (which is rarely the 20 pound melon that makes itself obvious, but rather tends to be a few-centimeter-wide growth within the organs)?

4. There is a major criticism against the American diet, but this doesn't address that cancer occurs in countries that don't succumb to the American lifestyle.

5. Hunza people have "incredible" longevity, but the ages given by the video are incredibly suspect. A quick look at the oldest people in the world shows the longest recorded life to be a little less than 121 years, a man from Japan whose lifespan is disputed. The oldest undisputed age is a man under 116 years old, from the US. Not one person in the top 100 longest recorded lifespans are even from Pakistan. Yet the video claims it is "not uncommon to live beyond 100 years, and some 120 years or more". Where is this claim coming from?

6. Hunza has never recorded a case of cancer. Is this because there has never been a case of cancer in Hunza, or because their dead are not medically examined? I've discussed with people who do medical missions abroad, and was told stories about how surgeons would remove massive tumors from people, and rather than have the specimen sent for pathology they were simply dumped in the trash. The first reason was because they didn't have the resources to examine the tissue properly, and the second was because medical management wouldn't change otherwise. I suspect that Hunza is not an area where they adequately determine cause of death.

7. What is the source that suggests that cancer cells contain higher density of beta-glucosidase? And that cancer cells lack rotanase?

8. Where has anyone accused Vitamin B17 users of being hypochondriacs?

9. The video suggests that anti-cancer drugs are more deadly to healthy tissue than cancerous tissue. I don't know where this suggestion is coming from, but the premise of most anti-cancer therapy is that it attacks the reproducibility of cells (which is why hair falling out is a common side effect). Since cancer cells are more rapidly reproducing than normal cells, cancer cells are generally more susceptible. By all means, chemotherapy is brutal medication that people suffer through when they're taking it. But I question the suggestion that it's generally more dangerous to healthy tissue. I'm not sure I could call chemotherapy a "fad" any more than Vitamin B17, to be honest.

10. Where were the following stats coming from?:
- Of those with advanced metastasized cancer, 15% are saved by vitamin therapy, and 0.1% survive 5 years from orthodox treatment.
- Of those with early detection of cancer, at least 80% are saved by vitamin therapy, but no more than 15% are cured by orthodox treatment.
- Of those presently healthy, vitamin therapy is 100% effective, whereas orthodox treatment is 84% effective. This is particularly suspect, because it begs the question as to what they mean by "orthodox" treatment. Obviously we don't take chemotherapy, surgery, or radiotherapy prophylactically.

There were a couple statements made in the video that I found more than just dubious:
1. The video addresses the counterargument of environment (smoking) and other dietary changes (unsaturated fatty acids) that could just as easily explain the groups who go from relatively low cancer rates to more typical cancer rates, by suggesting that people who choose Vitamin B17 in their diet are cancer free. They make this claim based on the "outspokenness" of the crowd. But this methodology falls victim to survivor bias: How outspoken are those Vitamin B17 users going to be if they are dead?

2. This was with respect to their addressing my initial doubts based on having a cure-all for a variety of cancers. The suggestion is that the variety of different cancers is akin to there being a variety of different cells, each originating from a totipotent stem cell. So far, totally acceptable. The video continues by asserting that as cancers progress to more malignant stages, the cells begin to look the same as one another, the "most malignant" of cancers being Choriocarcinomas and Epitheliomas that resemble trophoblasts (which thereby suggests support for Beard's theory). There is a lot wrong with that leap. The first is that Choriocarcinomas are naturally going to look like trophoblasts, because they are cancerous trophoblasts. And while Choriocarcinomas are certainly aggressive, they are by no category the "most malignant". Leukemias are by definition malignant the moment they begin, Burkitt's Lymphoma grows more aggressively than Choriocarcinoma, and Melanoma spreads faster than Choriocarcinoma. None look like trophoblasts in any stage, though the malignant cancerous cells of the same disease certainly do look alike in their respective late stages. While I want to keep an open mind about Vitamin B17, I did not appreciate the deceptive wording used in this explanation.

3. The video suggests that white blood cells do not attack cancer cells. The fact is that white blood cells do attack cancer cells with tumor necrosis factors, where cancer cells reveal themselves by losing regulatory surface proteins. I don't know how old the video is, but its explanation as to how white cells get deflected from innate cells is completely off. It doesn't have so much to do with charge as it does protein binding with surface receptors to allow cells self-recognition.

4. The video claims that the upper digestive tract, near where the pancreas empties into it, is where cancer is almost never found. This was just... wow. Carcinoma of the Ampulla of Vater is fairly common, and duodenal cancer is not unheard of. Furthermore, diabetics aren't simply patients with a "malfunctioning pancreas". Their exocrine pancreas works just fine, releasing trypsin like anyone else. Diabetics have poor endocrine function of their pancreas, specifically with regards to insulin. It can be a primary fault of the pancreas, (with limited production) or it may not be the fault of the pancreas at all (with systemic resistance to Insulin).

Those are my questions and criticisms, for whatever they're worth. Again, thanks for posting the video.

 

[squarepusher]

Rick Simpson has cured 100's of cancers in canada for free, and is now in hiding in europe because his government is prosecuting him

http://hightimes.com/news/hager/6052

Rick Simpson Seeks Political Refuge in Europe

by Steven Hager

Thu, Dec 03, 2009 12:19 pm

On November 25, 2009, shortly after an article on cannabis and cancer was published in HIGH TIMES, Rick Simpson's home in Nova Scotia was raided and seized by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). For the past seven years, Simpson has been making oil from cannabis grown on his property and providing it freely to cancer patients. "Seventy per cent of the patients that follow the protocol become cancer-free after ingesting 60 grams of high-quality oil," claims Simpson. This is the third time Simpson's property has been raided and he has already been convicted of being a drug dealer, even though he never accepted money in exchange for oil. Over a dozen patients and doctors were present and willing to testify at his trial, but none were allowed to take the stand.



The following day, on November 26, Simpson was crowned HIGH TIMES Freedom Fighter of the Year at the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam. Wearing the same tricorn hat worn onstage by the likes of Jack Herer, Tommy Chong and Eddy Lepp, Simpson spoke to a crowd of 2,000 at the Melkweg nightclub:



"Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. It's a pleasure to be here at the Cup. I've met so many wonderful people... the seed companies... DNA seeds and THSeeds and all the rest of the guys. And Arjan from Greenhouse. He brought me here. And I'll tell you right now, you haven't lived unless you've been on the back of a scooter with Arjan at the wheel. That's a dangerous experience! It was thrilling. The whole trip has been thrilling. And what a great event! But, unfortunately, the way it stands right now...you see, three years ago, on November 30th, on my 58th birthday, they arrested me and they put me in jail for four days without my medicine. And if I go that length of time... if you had seen me at the end of the four days... of course, the jail is a torture house. It's so hot you can't sleep. My blood pressure was all out of whack. I mean, I looked in pretty bad shape after four days. So if I go back to Canada... I've had three charges since 2005... so if I go back, I'll be charged, put in jail, and probably denied bail... and that's about all it will take, because it takes months to get into the court system. So that would kill me. So the only thing I can do is become an exile and seek political refuge in Europe. And that's what I plan to do. [Huge ovation from the crowd] I can give them hell from here just as easy as I can from over there. But the problem is folks, there's people back in Canada depending on me to save their lives and give them advice. And I can no longer do that now. But if anyone out there has cancer or a serious illness, go to our website, phoenixtears.ca, and look into the recipe. Make the medicine for your loved ones. It can save their lives, it can change people's lives, so for God’s sake, make it! And if anybody out there has a couple bucks to send my way at phoenixtears.ca, I'd sure appreciate it because I don't know what the rest of Europe is like, but Amsterdam is quite expensive. But a wonderful city! Thank you very much, folks."

 

[dannno]

There is not "A" cure for cancer- cancers are different and respond differently. Treatments have been developed for some but not all cancers. There is no "cure" which works on all of them.

You obviously haven't even watched the presentation I've linked to several times.. you just continue putting up misinformation without looking at the evidence on the other side.

 

[AFPVet]

Balderdash! There are many cures for cancer. Just ask the people who have survived it.

That's what I said lol. I said that there are several 'bullets'... I just wanted to let everyone know that there is not a single magic bullet which is a cure all.

 

[dannno]

That's what I said lol. I said that there are several 'bullets'... I just wanted to let everyone know that there is not a single magic bullet which is a cure all.

So you haven't watched the 9 part series either, I see.

Again, I challenge ANYBODY to make that statement after they watch the video series I linked to on the last page.

There are two bullets that are laid out in detail. Obviously the immune system is involved as well, so things that help the immune system are going to help.. so depending on the person depends on what they need to increase their immune system.. but the 'meat and potatoes' of what you need to do and why is laid out very simply.

 

[Deborah K]

What size capsules are you using? I'm using size "single 0" capsules and it takes about 2 and 1/2 capsules to hold one apricot kernel.
Of course, I'm grinding them very, very finely and that might make a difference.

I'm using size "0" as well. And I grind them up in a coffee grinder pretty finely, I thought. But if I grind 20 seeds, I only end up with 18 or so capsules.

 

[Deborah K]

I've been watching the video you linked to, and I have to say that it raises many more questions for me.

Thank you for taking the time to watch the doc and for your well thought out questions. I'll forward them to Ed.

 

[Deborah K]

That's what I said lol. I said that there are several 'bullets'... I just wanted to let everyone know that there is not a single magic bullet which is a cure all.

Sorry. I unintentionally overlooked your comment about "several magic bullets".

 

[LedHed]

Cancer presents a paradox to me. I don't want it, and I don't want anyone I know to suffer from it, but on the other hand, it helps keep the population younger and to a manageable level, with less starvation and depletion of natural resources. We all gotta die of something. If not cancer, then what? How long would civilization last, and how long would our natural resources hold out if we wiped out everything that killed us?

Probably the biggest paradox there is...

 

[Deborah K]

Cancer presents a paradox to me. I don't want it, and I don't want anyone I know to suffer from it, but on the other hand, it helps keep the population younger and to a manageable level, with less starvation and depletion of natural resources. We all gotta die of something. If not cancer, then what? How long would civilization last, and how long would our natural resources hold out if we wiped out everything that killed us?

Probably the biggest paradox there is...

If the gov't would just stop protecting us from ourselves there wouldn't be a paradox: seatbelts, helmets, restricting restaurant menus, vending machines in schools, on and on and on......

What is so valuable about keeping the population younger? There is a lot to be learned from the elderly. They've lived through history, they have experience. Wisdom comes with age. I'm 51. I'm healthy and fit and I don't take any prescription drugs. When is a good time for me to leave this earth in your opinion?

 

[dannno]

Cancer presents a paradox to me. I don't want it, and I don't want anyone I know to suffer from it, but on the other hand, it helps keep the population younger and to a manageable level, with less starvation and depletion of natural resources. We all gotta die of something. If not cancer, then what? How long would civilization last, and how long would our natural resources hold out if we wiped out everything that killed us?

Probably the biggest paradox there is...

I think cancer is pretty painful, I think I'd rather die of old age, in my sleep or something.

 

[NiceGoing]

Cancer presents a paradox to me. I don't want it, and I don't want anyone I know to suffer from it, but on the other hand, it helps keep the population younger and to a manageable level, with less starvation and depletion of natural resources. We all gotta die of something. If not cancer, then what? How long would civilization last, and how long would our natural resources hold out if we wiped out everything that killed us?

Probably the biggest paradox there is...

LOL - a true budding Eugenicist -do you also love the elders in the movement - you know who they are I presume?
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Re: "How long would civilization last?"

Quite long, humans are VERY resourceful - haven't you noticed? Or, are you too busy thinking about how to lure them into self-immolation?

 

[pacelli]

A good cultivar of apricot trees to grow that have beneficial kernels is put out by Stark Brothers nursery, it is called the Sweetheart Apricot. The trees are available in both dwarf and standard sizes, self-pollinating, and tends to bear fruit in years 3-4. Ideal for zones 5-8.