Cured Cancer Patient Gets 20 years for selling Apricot Seeds - Vitamin B17 Cure

[DamianTV]

And how ridiculous is it to inflict a twenty-year penalty?? This is shock- and-awe, or in other words trauma, inflicted on us by a terribly unjust application of "justice".

IF any punishment IS warranted, a debatable proposition, a more reasonable response would be a slap on the wrist, at the most--IMO.

The prohibitively long sentence (that we end up paying for) is designed to say to anyone else that smells bullshit in their stories of only surgery and toxic poisons as viable treatments to cancer, dont fuck with the status quo.

 

[dannno]

Strange how you can buy an apricot with a seed in it, but can't buy the seed alone. What if I wanted to buy apricot seeds to plant trees in my backyard? Is that illegal too?

Buying raw apricot seeds for preventing and treating cancer is legal, as long as the seeds are not sold for that purpose.

Being that this person actually cured themselves of cancer using apricot seeds, they probably did something that was at least interpreted that way by the FDA, that they were being sold as a cancer treatment.

 

[NiceGoing]

The prohibitively long sentence (that we end up paying for) is designed to say to anyone else that smells bullshit in their stories of only surgery and toxic poisons as viable treatments to cancer, dont fuck with the status quo.

Yes, you're undoubtedly right, and that being the case- I wonder how this travesty of justice was able to reach the newspapers at all. To intimidate others, I see that, but it also threw a spotlight on the curative powers of the seeds and a highly damaging spotlight on the falsity/worthlessness of their "cures".

Hmm. NOT rational at all -but then, neither are they, the drug pushers...right?

 

[AFPVet]

The only cancer cure I will back is high doses of vitamin c.

 

[sevin]

The only cancer cure I will back is high doses of vitamin c.

FDA seeking to ban intravenous vitamin C.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Vitamin C was also supposed to be a cure for the common cold. Linus Pauling received a Nobel Prize for his work on Vitamin C. But controlled studies have not shown significant benefit- to either cancer or colds. But anybody willing to literally bet their life on that is free to try.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197909273011303

Failure of High-Dose Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) Therapy to Benefit Patients with Advanced Cancer — A Controlled Trial

Edward T. Creagan, M.D., Charles G. Moertel, M.D., Judith R. O'Fallon, Ph.D., Allan J. Schutt, M.D., Michael J. O'Connell, M.D., Joseph Rubin, M.D., and Stephen Frytak, M.D.

N Engl J Med 1979; 301:687-690September 27, 1979

Abstract
One hundred and fifty patients with advanced cancer participated in a controlled double-blind study to evaluate the effects of high-dose vitamin C on symptoms and survival. Patients were divided randomly into a group that received vitamin C (10 g per day) and one that received a comparably flavored lactose placebo. Sixty evaluable patients received vitamin C and 63 received a placebo. Both groups were similar in age, sex, site of primary tumor, performance score, tumor grade and previous chemotherapy. The two groups showed no appreciable difference in changes in symptoms, performance status, appetite or weight. The median survival for all patients was about seven weeks, and the survival curves essentially overlapped. In this selected group of patients, we were unable to show a therapeutic benefit of high-dose vitamin C treatment. (N Engl J Med 301:687–690, 1979)

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198501173120301

High-Dose Vitamin C versus Placebo in the Treatment of Patients with Advanced Cancer Who Have Had No Prior Chemotherapy — A Randomized Double-Blind Comparison

Charles G. Moertel, M.D., Thomas R. Fleming, Ph.D., Edward T. Creagan, M.D., Joseph Rubin, M.D., Michael J. O'Connell, M.D., and Matthew M. Ames, Ph.D.

N Engl J Med 1985; 312:137-141January 17, 1985

Abstract
It has been claimed that high-dose vitamin C is beneficial in the treatment of patients with advanced cancer, especially patients who have had no prior chemotherapy. In a double-blind study 100 patients with advanced colorectal cancer were randomly assigned to treatment with either high-dose vitamin C (10 g daily) or placebo. Overall, these patients were in very good general condition, with minimal symptoms. None had received any previous treatment with cytotoxic drugs. Vitamin C therapy showed no advantage over placebo therapy with regard to either the interval between the beginning of treatment and disease progression or patient survival. Among patients with measurable disease, none had objective improvement. On the basis of this and our previous randomized study, it can be concluded that high-dose vitamin C therapy is not effective against advanced malignant disease regardless of whether the patient has had any prior chemotherapy. (N Engl J Med 1985; 312:137–41.)

And it may be in fact be counter-productive in treating cancer:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/vitamin-c-may-interfere-with-cancer-treatment/

Vitamin C May Interfere With Cancer Treatment

By TARA PARKER-POPE
Many people gobble big doses of vitamin C in hopes of boosting their immune system and warding off illness. But new research shows that in people with cancer, the vitamin may do more harm than good.

Researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York studied the effects of vitamin C on cancer cells. As it turns out, the vitamin seems to protect not just healthy cells, but cancer cells, too. The findings were published today in the journal Cancer Research.

“The use of vitamin C supplements could have the potential to reduce the ability of patients to respond to therapy,” said Dr. Mark Heaney, an associate attending physician at the cancer center, in a press release.
Dr. Heaney and his colleagues tested five different chemotherapy drugs on cancer cells in the laboratory. Some of the cells were first treated with vitamin C. In every case, including a test of the powerful new cancer drug Gleevec, chemotherapy did not work as well if cells had been exposed to vitamin C. The chemotherapy agents killed 30 to 70 percent fewer cancer cells when the cells were treated with the vitamin.

A second set of experiments implanted cancer cells in mice. They found that the tumors grew more rapidly in mice that were given cancer cells pretreated with vitamin C.

The researchers found that just like healthy cells, cancer cells also benefit from vitamin C. The vitamin appeared to repair a cancer cell’s damaged mitochondria, the energy center of cells. When the mitochondria is injured, it sends signals that force the cell to die, but vitamin C interrupts that process.

 

[dannno]

Vitamin C was also supposed to be a cure for the common cold. Linus Pauling received a Nobel Prize for his work on Vitamin C. But controlled studies have not shown significant benefit- to either cancer or colds. But anybody willing to literally bet their life on that is free to try.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197909273011303


http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198501173120301


And it may be in fact be counter-productive in treating cancer:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/vitamin-c-may-interfere-with-cancer-treatment/

LOL, come on zippy, I know it's been explained to you before that chemotherapy is such a toxic treatment that it negates the effects of a lot of natural treatments because it destroys the mechanisms whereby they work to begin with...

You should really watch this series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_4YkekV9A&feature=&p=64B010A828988438&index=0&playnext=1

 

[NiceGoing]

@zippyjuan.

Apples and oranges -

The apricot treatment provably works, as we have seen with this cancer victim. Thus is not just theory - (as is the case with the Vitamin C treatment.)

Thus Vit. C treatment (apples=unproven)
should not Be Compared to
Apricot seeds treatment (oranges=Proven)

See?
:collinsEven he <-- thinks so

 

[DamianTV]

Has anyone tried, or let alone even heard of Rife Cancer Therapy? Hmm, no drugs, so it must be a scam! (/sarcasm)

 

[AFPVet]

Interesting... I have heard of other studies which showed success with some cancers and Vitamin C—as well as other natural therapies. Chemotherapy is toxic—fact! Chemo and radiation merely kill cancer cells faster than normal cells. Alternative therapies must be funded.

 

[Zippyjuan]

LOL, come on zippy, I know it's been explained to you before that chemotherapy is such a toxic treatment that it negates the effects of a lot of natural treatments because it destroys the mechanisms whereby they work to begin with...

You should really watch this series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_4YkekV9A&feature=&p=64B010A828988438&index=0&playnext=1

I don't claim that it isn't, but thank you.

 

[ihsv]

I'll put my chips on medical science. You can stick with the uneducated scam artists if you so choose.

Cancer "care" is a multi-billion-dollar-a-year industry. The AMA is nothing more than a corporate monopoly. Anyone who thinks the AMA and their associates have a vested interest in curing cancer and essentially ending a very cushy flow of cash (grants, private and corporate donations, fees from patients, government and corporate insurance programs, etc.,) is naive in the extreme. And as a government-sanctioned monopoly, any competition is crushed, poo-pooed, and treated as the product of uneducated (i.e., indoctrinated tools of the monopoly) scam artists.

To say that the AMA's conclusions are not influenced by politics, power, money and the other usual suspects is like saying "government cares about us"

 

[EndDaFed]

Are you saying Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan and Timothy Geitner are in on some government conspiracy to convince us that the Federal Reserve is good for the economy? Where is your evidence?

No, I don't claim nothing of the sort. My gripe is with the ethics surrounding an exponential monetary system based on debt. No conspiracy theory needed thank you very much.

 

[EndDaFed]

EndDaFed attacks every alternative, holistic, and nutritional treatment to disease he comes across. And I'm not saying that B17 is an effective cancer treatment - just that this Fed enjoys attacking alternative medicine every chance he gets.

Hardly the case. There are many "alternative" medicines that have benefits. Why people call them alternative when they should be labeled medicine is beyond me. The problem is that there are more that are based on shaky evidence and unfounded claims.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/

 

[JoshLowry]

I'll put my chips on medical science. You can stick with the uneducated scam artists if you so choose.

Would you mind telling me why cannabis is a Schedule 1 controlled substance? Supposedly it's government medical science.

(1) Schedule I.—
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision."

 

[EndDaFed]

True. Regardless of whether B17 works or not, I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to sell it as a cure. Lots of people sell bullshit products in this country that don't do what they claim to do. Caveat emptor.

So you are in favor of fraud? No one is suggesting that Vitamin B17 should be banned. Only that fraudulent claims should be dealt with.

 

[EndDaFed]

Would you mind telling me why cannabis is a Schedule 1 controlled substance? Supposedly it's government medical science.

(1) Schedule I.—
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision."

I don't give a shit what the government says. Which is why I linked to clinical research. I only care what the specialists think.

 

[AFPVet]

Would you mind telling me why cannabis is a Schedule 1 controlled substance? Supposedly it's government medical science.

(1) Schedule I.—
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision."

...and yet physicians prescribe it to patients in California! The government despises cannabis since they cannot exclusively control it.

 

[RonPaulGetsIt]

The FDA protects big pharma. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been paying attention.

We have sick care in this country not healthcare.

More to the point though, the government has no business interferring in the free exchange of goods between consenting adults.

 

[JoshLowry]

I don't give a shit what the government says. Which is why I linked to clinical research. I only care what the specialists think.

My point is that people lie. Even those not in government. Especially when money is around...

I haven't researched it, but evidently you have turned over every single stone.