CSPAN - Kucinch will vote YES on healthcare

[Juan McCain]

fyi, CSPAN is reporting that Dennis Kucinch (D-OH) will vote for health care reform.

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3.aspx

 

[teamrican1]

Not surprising. He talks a good game, but when push comes to shove on nearly every big issue the past few years he's folded on his principles and done the establishment's bidding.

 

[go_carolina_528]

And I used to like Kucinch for being anti-establishment....

 

[Juan McCain]

On CSPAN3 press conference, they are asking him about if he got a Cornhusker favor - or a Gator-Aid as Florida did, or a Louisiana Purchase . . . for Ohio.

Did he sell out ?

 

[paulitics]

Fuck you Kucinich.

 

[Krugerrand]

I hope that shuts up some of the pro-Kucinich folks around here.

 

[BenIsForRon]

What the fuck.....

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[BenIsForRon]

HOLY SHIT! Are you guys still watching C-SPAN 3? The house is going to pass this bill without a vote! WTF??

 

[xd9fan]

wonder what happens when we realize the ballot box takes to long

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Wonder what skeletons are in his closet that Obama told him they knew about.

 

[Bruno]

HOLY SHIT! Are you guys still watching C-SPAN 3? The house is going to pass this bill without a vote! WTF??

logging in now to watch. thanks for the heads up

 

[jmdrake]

HOLY SHIT! Are you guys still watching C-SPAN 3? The house is going to pass this bill without a vote! WTF??

The "Slaughter option" has been discussed all week. It actually does require a vote, but it's an indirect vote.

See: http://mediamatters.org/research/201003160030

Here's how that will work: Rather than passing the Senate bill and then passing the fixes, the House will pass the fixes under a rule that says the House "deems" the Senate bill passed after the House passes the fixes.

The virtue of this, for Pelosi's members, is that they don't actually vote on the Senate bill. They only vote on the reconciliation package. But their vote on the reconciliation package functions as a vote on the Senate bill. The difference is semantic, but the bottom line is this: When the House votes on the reconciliation fixes, the Senate bill is passed, even if the Senate hasn't voted on the reconciliation fixes, and even though the House never specifically voted on the Senate bill.

It's a circuitous strategy born of necessity. Pelosi doesn't have votes for the Senate bill without the reconciliation package. But the Senate parliamentarian said that the Senate bill must be signed into law before the reconciliation package can be signed into law. That removed Pelosi's favored option of passing the reconciliation fixes before passing the Senate bill. So now the House will vote on reconciliation explicitly and the Senate bill implicitly, which is politically easier, even though the effect is not any different than if Congress were to pass the Senate bill first and pass the reconciliation fixes after.

This could blow up in the dems face. For one thing this opens the door to even more constitutional challenges. For another voters will likely deem this as "slimy politics".

 

[Juan McCain]

The "Slaughter option" has been discussed all week. It actually does require a vote, but it's an indirect vote.

The "deem and pass" option does NOT require a vote at all . . . it shields transparency and accountability.

It has NEVER been used before for FINAL passage of such important legislation or the MAIN part of a bill -
it has been used in earlier stages of a bill or an amendment to a bigger bill -
but not a direct shot to a President signing into law.

 

[jmdrake]

The "deem and pass" option does NOT require a vote at all . . . it shields transparency and accountability.

It has NEVER been used before for FINAL passage of such important legislation or the MAIN part of a bill -
it has been used in earlier stages of a bill or an amendment to a bigger bill -
but not a direct shot to a President signing into law.

In that case then what exactly is Kucinich supposed to be voting "yes" on?

According to rules.house.gov a self executing rule has to be voted on.

http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/98-710.pdf

I agree that it shields transparency and accountability in the same way that a vote on the authorization of the use of force shields members of congress for having to admit that they actually voted for an unpopular war.

 

[Romulus]

fuck you kucinich.

pos

 

[Bruno]

hes on Cspan now trying to justify his vote

 

[winston_blade]

Surprise...a socialist is a socialist. Call the press.

 

[someperson]

Any individual who votes for this bill is accepting 100% of the principle that the state has the power to coerce those it purports to represent into transacting with private entities. There can be no justification.

 

[Juan McCain]

In that case then what exactly is Kucinich supposed to be voting "yes" on?

During the press conference being held when the CSPAN 3 link was posted . . .

When Kucinich was asked about "deem and pass" -
Kucinch said he was NOT talking about that process for passage -
the implication was that he didn't agree with that for the passage of this healthcare reform.

He is voting for this bill to save Obama's presidency . . . what a really terrible motive.

It is a sell-out, especially after when last week he was for getting troops out of Afghanistan.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Kucinich is a big government thug on pretty much everything except the war issue. The way that he votes is less than meaningless to me, though I do appreciate his friendship with Dr. Paul.