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Oh, and I hung out in Keene. Everyone was very hospitable. I wasn't abused once!
Creating a Free Town or County
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I'm starting to doubt myself now. I may have just driven through Alva and not made it as far as Aladdin; I can't remember for sure.
The fireworks show at Devil's Tower was great, though. Just a bunch of old duffers lighting them off. And they'd get distracted watching them, so then there were long gaps in between bursts while they lit some up again.
Oh, and they had a boy about 10 years old helping them light them (not too concerned about safety regs at Devil's Tower, Wyoming, thank goodness) and when he'd light one, he'd stand there all ready, kind of tense, and then as soon as it went off he'd jump into the air! Boom!
And that was just the "official" show. The other cool thing was that there was probably approximately as much artillery of the unofficial variety. Everyone had brought fireworks, it seemed; big fireworks, fireworks just as cool as the official ones. And they lit them off before and after the show whenever they wanted. That's what a fireworks celebration should be! An actual atmosphere of freedom and fun, not a controlled, centralized, sterilized, tax-funded presentation with all mere citizens prohibited from lighting off their own.
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I have also been to Aladdin and even climbed Devil's Tower. Well, I didn't make it to the top but you have to contact the government ahead of time and get legal permission to climb it. I don't do that. I love rock climbing in WY, SD, IL or NH even. I never get government permission so I cannot go all the way up Devil's Tower 
Thankfully, I don't have that problem in NH 
Thankfully, I don't have that problem in NH
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I have also been to Aladdin and even climbed Devil's Tower. Well, I didn't make it to the top but you have to contact the government ahead of time and get legal permission to climb it. I don't do that. I love rock climbing in WY, SD, IL or NH even. I never get government permission so I cannot go all the way up Devil's Tower
I may or may not have climbed up Mt. Rushmore (I admit nothing!) so I could stand on top of Abe Lincoln's ugly head and spit on it. Security is not tight. They do have a guard building up there, though.
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Silly comment deleted. To make up for the silly comment, enjoy this photo.
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So does anyone else have some place they love and think would be a likely candidate?
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Maybe rural Alaska in the Bush. There are places without even roads. Check out the TV show Alaska State Troopers. If the Alaska State Police were eliminated, a lot of those Bush communities would be pretty free.
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Yes,, but I won't publicize it.
Yakutat,larger than Connecticut and Rhode Island combined,is inaccessible by either road or rail.The only way in or out is by boat or plane.
I have been there twice,on a commercial fishing boat,I still have a hoody with Sitka Sound Seafoods-Yakutat,Alaska on it.
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That means it's perfect for Libertarians!
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I think libertarians need to think in the 3rd dimension. If you build underground and control the entry points, then the law beyond the gates no longer applies.
We must tunnel!!!.
We must tunnel!!!.
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Hmmm.....
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That does not work. The locals tried in during Vietnam and the US government hunted them down and killed them. Some underground railroad locations were raided. The underground tunnels between the US and Mexican border are hunted down and destroyed. The Israel government is destroying the underground tunnels over there. Big governments hate tunnels.
Hobbit home destroyed. http://www.off-grid.net/2013/08/14/hobbit-home-destroyed/
You could buy a former bomb shelter or missile storage facility but the government would likely have the plans to it. Plus, if the government got mad, it could just seal up the air events, killing everyone inside.
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As this thread passes into extinction, I thought I'd take a moment to express a couple of thoughts I've had about the OP.
There have been a few brilliant ideas expressed by the membership on how such a community could be set up. I would find it an interesting experience sharing such a community with many of you.
IMHO, none of these brilliant ideas were any better than the founding principles our country was supposedly built on. Rather than finding a new location, I would encourage people to take back government at the local level. This is something that can be done.
Did your Mayor just have an 80 year old man arrested for asking him to speak up? You can have that Mayor out of office and in jail pretty darn quick. If we want it.
At the local level, we can have Agenda 21 policies removed from Codes and Ordinances. At the local level, we can give back property rights to the property owners. Let local business' run without local government interference.
It requires no more energy to fix the existing problem than it does to create a whole new community.
Let's fix what we have...that's my point I think.
There have been a few brilliant ideas expressed by the membership on how such a community could be set up. I would find it an interesting experience sharing such a community with many of you.
IMHO, none of these brilliant ideas were any better than the founding principles our country was supposedly built on. Rather than finding a new location, I would encourage people to take back government at the local level. This is something that can be done.
Did your Mayor just have an 80 year old man arrested for asking him to speak up? You can have that Mayor out of office and in jail pretty darn quick. If we want it.
At the local level, we can have Agenda 21 policies removed from Codes and Ordinances. At the local level, we can give back property rights to the property owners. Let local business' run without local government interference.
It requires no more energy to fix the existing problem than it does to create a whole new community.
Let's fix what we have...that's my point I think.
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PRB's purpose here is trolling. He has been a liberal troll right from the start. Just take a look at his posting history, including the thread where you and I had a conversation about him. He gets another neg rep from me. I recommend a neg rep party for him.
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Thanks! We're just getting started, though!
True. I agree.
I haven't seen anyone express anything about principles like this. We are, in fact, working to implement the exact same principles: liberty, freedom, and independence. The same principles as the founders. The Spirit of '76, if you will.
We are seeking to apply those principles effectively to our situation. That is a different situation than the founders found themselves in. Tactical innovation is most certainly called for. The innovative and the determined will always win the day.
Is it? I am not so sure as you. I would want proof. I am interested in things that work, that succeed. And my standard for success in this case is pretty high -- not unreasonably high, but higher than what I believe I can get by trying to "take back" my local government.
I really do not think I can. I do not have that kind of power. Maybe if I devoted my life to it for the next year. But I don't want to do that. And I don't really see how it would solve anything. The next guy will be not much better. Nothing will truly change.
These are enormous projects. All of these would be made much easier with a majority backing them. Don't you think?
I think that forming a new community from scratch is too ambitious and not realistic. I propose something much more normal: move into an existing town. Act normal. Go about life. But bring along with you your strong political belief in liberty.
I think that the geographical concentration tactic is a very interesting and potentially effective method to do exactly what you are wanting to do. Why go it alone when you can have backup? Why lose, when you can win?
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Both that idea and your idea were originally stated as taking over a local government by bringing in a group of outsiders to out vote the existing population. My biggest problem with your idea was that trying to take over a group of people in such a way isn't moral or likely to succeeded, IMO. For example, there is talk of removing the company charter for that town if even people move in to take over by force. Seems like a reasonable way to react to a bunch of people with guns moving into a town to take it over by force.
I think you changed the idea to do like what is happening in Grafton, NH. It isn't a take over effort there but because it once appeared to be, there is still some push back. Plus obviously the expected push back from people working for the government, people with family members working for the government, liberals, Democrats RINOs and so on. But IMO, a take over effort maybe even should be opposed by locals on principle. States can remove company charters for towns and counties if they want to do so.
The FSP was never, ever about taking over or overwhelming the population with numbers. But because in a separate paper that predates the FSP, the person that eventually founded the FSP used the words take over, the MSM still to this day lies about the FSP calling it a take over... So you might want to move this thread to Hot Topic or have it deleted completely. Or maybe just ask everyone to edit their posts to remove the language. I'll do it if you do it
Because this very thread, especially what you types in it, may haunt your project, if it gets off the group, for many, many years. Low informed people are not well informed. They make up the majority of voters and I don't want to see the people that might join your project have to face extra, unneeded prejudice.Similar threads
