Creating a Free Town or County

Overall tax burden by state from taxfoundation.org

United States 9.80%
Wyoming 6.90%
Alaska 7.00%
South Dakota 7.10%
Texas 7.50%
Louisiana 7.60%
Tennessee 7.60%
New Hampshire 8.00%
Nevada 8.10%
Alabama 8.30%
South Carolina 8.30%
Mississippi 8.40%
Oklahoma 8.50%
Montana 8.60%
New Mexico 8.60%
Georgia 8.80%
North Dakota 8.80%
Arizona 8.90%
Colorado 9.00%
Missouri 9.00%
Florida 9.20%
Virginia 9.20%
Iowa 9.30%
Kansas 9.40%
Nebraska 9.40%
Utah 9.40%
Washington 9.40%
Idaho 9.50%
Indiana 9.50%
Kentucky 9.50%
Hawaii 9.60%
Michigan 9.60%
Ohio 9.70%
West Virginia 9.70%
North Carolina 9.80%
Delaware 10.10%
Oregon 10.10%
Illinois 10.20%
Maine 10.20%
Arkansas 10.30%
Massachusetts 10.30%
Pennsylvania 10.30%
Rhode Island 10.50%
Vermont 10.50%
Maryland 10.60%
Minnesota 10.70%
Wisconsin 11.00%
California 11.40%
Connecticut 11.90%
New Jersey 12.30%
New York 12.60%

The total tax burden question is really complicated. You have some combination of income tax, property tax, and/or sales tax and there are advantages and disadvantages to each depending on your own personal factors. Then there are in many states various exemptions from those taxes again depending on your personal situation. I'm flumoxed. What is needed is a spread sheet type program into which you can enter your personal circumstances and which will then compare tax burdens among the states.
 
So, I propose to re-boot the geographical concentration concept. It is a wonderful model, and one with a very good chance of success, if done right. We will learn from all the mistakes of the FSP (and of the other initiatives Keith mentioned, for that matter) and build upon that foundation. We will get firm commitments, from real people. We will get the project on a Kickstarter-like platform that can enforce the rules and be independent of us, so that participants can rest assured the rules will be followed. We will target a small jurisdiction in which we can be confident of being a decisive factor, and we will choose it only once we already have enough people ready to mobilize and become that factor.

One of the mistakes from past efforts is the idea of taking over an area. That's perhaps the most important mistake to learn.

As for a re-boot, since something similar to what you are talking about has been happening for years, and is still happening in Grafton, NH, why even reboot? The idea is real and is happening now. Dozens have already relocated. The 7th Annual Burning Porcupine Festival happens in August in Grafton. You should come and check it out. The event is free, like it always has been. Your family and friends are also welcome to attend :)
 
This had been tried before. It ended in mass suicide.
I don't recall that. Can you remind us? I know a whites are best person is trying this in a tiny community in ND - take over. He has gathered widespread opposition from around the nation (and for good reason) and his plan to take over the town is completely failing. The people in the community don't even want to sell property to those evil people (good for them). They ended up arresting the guy and putting him in jail.

15 January 2014 Last updated at 14:31 ET
The North Dakota town that thwarted a neo-Nazi takeover
By Jude Sheerin BBC News, Leith, North Dakota
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25646954
 
One of the mistakes from past efforts is the idea of taking over an area. That's perhaps the most important mistake to learn.

As for a re-boot, since something similar to what you are talking about has been happening for years, and is still happening in Grafton, NH, why even reboot? The idea is real and is happening now. Dozens have already relocated. The 7th Annual Burning Porcupine Festival happens in August in Grafton. You should come and check it out. The event is free, like it always has been. Your family and friends are also welcome to attend :)

What is the terrain of the Grafton area?
 
One of the mistakes from past efforts is the idea of taking over an area. That's perhaps the most important mistake to learn.

As for a re-boot, since something similar to what you are talking about has been happening for years, and is still happening in Grafton, NH, why even reboot? The idea is real and is happening now. Dozens have already relocated. The 7th Annual Burning Porcupine Festival happens in August in Grafton. You should come and check it out. The event is free, like it always has been. Your family and friends are also welcome to attend :)


What, in your view, is the "proper" idea?
 
I don't recall that. Can you remind us? I know a whites are best person is trying this in a tiny community in ND - take over. He has gathered widespread opposition from around the nation (and for good reason) and his plan to take over the town is completely failing. The people in the community don't even want to sell property to those evil people (good for them). They ended up arresting the guy and putting him in jail.

15 January 2014 Last updated at 14:31 ET
The North Dakota town that thwarted a neo-Nazi takeover
By Jude Sheerin BBC News, Leith, North Dakota
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25646954

He's probably talking about the Jonestown settlement in Africa. In which case, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're a religious cult...
 
The US has a lot of "utopian" communities in its past, often with religious/socialist roots. They were all the rage in the 1800's. There were several here in Ohio.

Zoar Village

http://historiczoarvillage.com/explore/take-a-virtual-tour/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoar,_Ohio

....Zoar was founded by German religious dissenters called the Society of Separatists of Zoar in 1817. It was a communal society, with many German-style structures that have been restored and are part of the Zoar Village State Memorial. There are presently ten restored buildings. According to the Ohio Historical Society, Zoar is an island of Old-World charm in east-central Ohio.[SUP][4][/SUP]
The Separatists, or Zoarites, emigrated from the kingdom of Württemberg in southwestern Germany due to religious oppression from the Lutheran church. Leading among their group were some natives of Rottenacker on the Danube. Having separated from the established church, their theology was based in part on the writings of Jakob Böhme. They did not practice baptism or confirmation and did not celebrate religious holidays except for the Sabbath. A central flower garden in Zoar is based on the Book of Revelation with a towering tree in the middle representing Christ and other elements surrounding it representing other allegorical elements.
The leader of the society was named Joseph Bimeler (also known as Joseph Bäumler or Bäumeler, born 1778), a pipemaker as well as teacher from Ulm. His charismatic leadership carried the village through a number of crises.
An early event critical to the success of the colony was the digging of the Ohio and Erie Canal. The Zoarites had purchased 5,000 acres (20 km[SUP]2[/SUP]) of land sight unseen and used loans to pay for it. The loans were to be paid off by 1830. The Society struggled for many years to determine what products and services they could produce in their village to pay off the loans. The state of Ohio required some of the Zoarite land to be used as a right of way and offered the Zoarites an opportunity to assist in digging the canals for money. The state gave them a choice of digging it themselves for pay or having the state pay others to dig the canal. The Zoarites then spent several years in the 1820s digging the canal and thus were able to pay off their loans on time with much money to spare.
Bimeler's death on August 31, 1853 led to a slow decline in the cohesion of the village. By 1898, the village voted to disband the communal society and the property was divided among the remaining residents.....


List of Utopian Communities in the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Utopian_communities
 
Great post.

What would be the first step in your reboot?

I would be interested in having any ideas you have. But as a rough starting idea, I was thinking that we could first identify people who would support such a thing. I have brought this up occasionally and as such have a little list of RPFers who have PMed me over the years that they are very excited about the possibility. If there is enough interest, perhaps we can convince Bryan, the site owner, to set us up a little sub-section where we can talk and build a community.

Then we can find some sort of crowdfunding-type site that we can talk into listing the project on their site, with the variant that number of pledgers is a limiting factor as well as total amount of dollars pledged. Or we could find some other trustworthy and uninterested third party; an escrow service perhaps.

So the first step is to gauge the feasibility by trying to find as many people as possible who are so sick of not having liberty and committed to getting liberty that they are willing to uproot themselves and relocate. Then we can gather together here as like-minded individuals and take stock of the situation.
 
While I love the idea...

I have to wonder, is such a thing possible?

If you take over a town, the County, State and Federal Codes and Law still rule you.

How do you get around that?

Just curious
Having a very libertarian town or county would go a very long way to creating the kind of society we want in that town or county. Not all the way, true. But you'd best at least hold a small hill somewhere before you spend too much time making elaborate plans for conquering Europe.
 
Here is some data for you, counties under 1k pop (2012 est)

Loving County, Texas 71
Kalawao County, Hawaii 90
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Thanks, Tony! And as a note, I have personally seen with my own eyes both of the smallest: Loving County, out in the flatlands of Texas, and the leper colony on Molokai.
 
Federal and state law depends to a large extent on local enforcement. If city and county law enforcement are limited in their authority, State and federal law will still be in effect in theory, but not so much in practice. However, if someone complains to a State or Federal agency about something (like labor law violations, for example) it is likely that state or federal agents would come to town and do their thing.

So you couldn't create a fully free town or county but you could move a fair bit in the right direction.

It takes a lot of resources for federal and state governments to enforce federal and state laws, especially if a local government decides to go against them. For instance, marijuana is still illegal on the federal level, meaning Washington and Colorado are technically defying the US government. Obviously, there are limits to what you can do, but there are a great number of local codes and edicts that can be changed or done away with that will greatly improve freedom and won't attract too much attention.

From what I can tell, the Free State Project in NH has done some good things for that state, so the only real issue is getting enough people on board.

Exactly, men!
 
Unfortunately, Kalawao County is actually the old leper colony. The population is limited to the living original inhabitants and no new inhabitants are allowed.
I actually know people on Molokai. I have family there. I am pretty confident that this could be changed, if need be. So that option is not closed to us.
 
This is in the permian basin. I'm not familiar with Texas geography but it looks like its around 50 miles out of Midland/Odessa area which is the 'boomiest' area for oil jobs in Texas.
There are, indeed, many, many oil wells sprouting out of the flat, flat earth there. And it is flat. As I was driving down the highway on my scouting expedition to check out the county, I had to at one point stop the car and just look all around me at the panorama of astonishing, other-worldly flatness, seemingly stretching out into the infinite. Just total, barren flatness, with the ribbon of straight, perfectly-flat road stretching through it. It was very beautiful, at least I thought so.

Loving is right next-door to the sizable town of Pecos, and yes, it's close to Odessa/Midland.
 
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