Creating a Free Town or County

[PaulConventionWV]

Thanks.

You're too late, though. Keith already tried smearing me by association to these neo-Nazis. And then to the bizarre and disturbing events of Jonestown by replying to 56k. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat Keith to something like this.

It also should not be neglected to mention that Jonestown was not a mass suicide, but a mass murder. Half the population were children. They were killed first, and many of the grown-ups were forced to take the poison, and some were shot. Some simply gave up hope when all of the children died and decided it would be best to end their lives as well. It was a sad story and has absolutely nothing to do with liberty.

 

[Keith and stuff]

If anyone is interesting to talking to people that having actually moved to a small town for more liberty. If you want to find out what it is like. To find out the positives and the negatives... there is good news for you!

The place where something somewhat like this is currently happening is about to have it's annual camping festival designed to introduce people to the town. Welcome to the seventh annual Burning Porcupine Festival.

2014 Burning Porcupine Festival: August 4–10 in Grafton, NH
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...orcupine-Festival-August-4%9610-in-Grafton-NH

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I've read the whole thread. Seems to me that people like Keith and Helmuth have quite the same approach, at least in the context of the rest of the world. There are some differences in approach and--for lack of a better word--marketing, but differences like that often lead to a stronger whole.

Seems to me that the real difference is liberty thinking versus the prejudiced attacks, as expressed by the knuckleheadedness of RPF's two resident trolls, 56K and PRB. They'll compare you to the most extreme examples just for emotional effect. The extreme in the media often does the same thing in this now smaller world. This is where education comes into play to combat simple prejudice.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

If anyone is interesting to talking to people that having actually moved to a small town for more liberty. If you want to find out what it is like. To find out the positives and the negatives... there is good news for you!

The place where something somewhat like this is currently happening is about to have it's annual camping festival designed to introduce people to the town. Welcome to the seventh annual Burning Porcupine Festival.

2014 Burning Porcupine Festival: August 4–10 in Grafton, NH
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...orcupine-Festival-August-4%9610-in-Grafton-NH

Keith, are you going to this?

If not, is there anyone nearby who might consider dropping by?

I agree with Keith that this is an excellent opportunity to pick the brains of some people with some invaluable real-life experience.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I've read the whole thread. Seems to me that people like Keith and Helmuth have quite the same approach, at least in the context of the rest of the world.

Yeah, Keith and I are pretty similar.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Keith, are you going to this?

If not, is there anyone nearby who might consider dropping by?

I agree with Keith that this is an excellent opportunity to pick the brains of some people with some invaluable real-life experience.

2014 Burning Porcupine Festival: August 4–10 in Grafton, NH
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...orcupine-Festival-August-4%9610-in-Grafton-NH

I've been before but am not sure if I can make it this year. I recommend it. Some of the same folks attend Liberty Forum. For a couple years in a row, they have had a Grafton (or even 2) sites in the main area of PorcFest that usually 2 to 4 Grafton folks are sitting out with facts on Grafton, the listing of properties for sale, details on Burning Porcupine and stuff like that.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Thanks, Keith. If that changes and you are able to make it, let us know. We could send you with a list a questions! Do you do videos?

 

[Pericles]

Pericles was trying to set up a Free Community out in West Texas a while back. Was anyone involved? Pericles, could you give us the detailed story on how things played out with that? I think it would be very useful.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?367289-Free-Community-Project/

A few comments based on experience-

First, is determining the objective of the project (A) is this a prepper retreat, so in addition to political and economic freedom, a self sustaining community or collection of habitations is the goal (B) creating an environment with the minimal amount of government at any level and not trying to accomplish anything other that showing that freedom works (C) some other goal. This affects to a great extent what you will need in either capital or fellow travelers on the journey.

You will get a great deal of interest in what you are doing and any number of people who will tell you how to do it better and not do any of the work involved. Ignore them.

The prepper retreat or group approach needs an environment where property is in parcels for individual purchase or rent. The more gradual shift toward economic freedom requires capital - starting a business that can be operated in that location, which will provide a living for fellow travelers with cause the population shift which results in votes for eliminating local regulation - which is why such a project only has a reasonable success in states that feature local home rule to a great extent.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Thank you so much, Pericles! I really appreciate your wisdom.

Would you say that your project was/is a success? What do you think was the key to its success?

I am definitely seeking objective (B). It is a very good idea, as you say, to delineate the objective clearly from the beginning, as these objectives you list are very different. For me, give me (B).

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Bump!

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Here's another town for sale:

The town used as the Hunger Games set for District 12.

 

[Pericles]

Thank you so much, Pericles! I really appreciate your wisdom.

Would you say that your project was/is a success? What do you think was the key to its success?

I am definitely seeking objective (B). It is a very good idea, as you say, to delineate the objective clearly from the beginning, as these objectives you list are very different. For me, give me (B).

It has to be approached like any other project or business venture. Just posting on the NET, everybody who wants liberty move to X will get another FSP as a result. Raise capital, form corp., and do it. Recapitalize corp. from sales of property / shares to fund expansion.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

^^^^

 

[MRK]

He's probably talking about the Jonestown settlement in Africa. In which case, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're a religious cult...

*puts down voodoo scepter and pentagram box*

... We're not a religious cult?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Here is some data for you, counties under 1k pop (2012 est)

Loving County, Texas 71
Kalawao County, Hawaii 90
King County, Texas 276
Kenedy County, Texas 431
Arthur County, Nebraska 486
McPherson County, Nebraska 509
Petroleum County, Montana 511
Blaine County, Nebraska 514
Loup County, Nebraska 589
Borden County, Texas 616
Grant County, Nebraska 629
Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska 668
Thomas County, Nebraska 676
San Juan County, Colorado 690
Harding County, New Mexico 707
Mineral County, Colorado 709
McMullen County, Texas 726
Hooker County, Nebraska 727
Treasure County, Montana 736
Slope County, North Dakota 758
Banner County, Nebraska 760
Logan County, Nebraska 765
Esmeralda County, Nevada 775
Keya Paha County, Nebraska 804
Wheeler County, Nebraska 805
Hinsdale County, Colorado 810
Golden Valley County, Montana 839
Kent County, Texas 839
Roberts County, Texas 854
Clark County, Idaho 869
Billings County, North Dakota 905
Terrell County, Texas 917
Hayes County, Nebraska 953
Skagway Municipality, Alaska 959
Bristol Bay Borough, Alaska 991

COLORADO.

 

[Demigod]

Pericles is the only one who makes sense.You can't make a community based on philosophical ideas only.You need jobs,you need a location and you have to watch out the crowd you attract.Making a community in some Alaskan wilderness without any roads or rail makes no sense unless you can digest wood or are completely ok living in 19 century conditions .

The region where you settle has to either have natural resources or at least be near trading routes. Who comes into the city is also very important because you can bet your ass that there will be informants and provocateurs so attracting normal people is a must.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Pericles is the only one who makes sense.You can't make a community based on philosophical ideas only.You need jobs,you need a location and you have to watch out the crowd you attract.

That's one of the main reasons the FSP selected NH instead of WY or MT. There just isn't a large or diverse enough job market in either of those states to attract a broad spectrum of liberty activists. The point has even been proven since copycat groups selected WY and MT. MT had maybe a dozen movers. WY had at several dozen. NH has had well over 1,000 movers and keeps going strong.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

COLORADO.

Where in Colorado?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Pericles is the only one who makes sense.You can't make a community based on philosophical ideas only.You need jobs,you need a location and you have to watch out the crowd you attract.Making a community in some Alaskan wilderness without any roads or rail makes no sense unless you can digest wood or are completely ok living in 19 century conditions .

The region where you settle has to either have natural resources or at least be near trading routes. Who comes into the city is also very important because you can bet your ass that there will be informants and provocateurs so attracting normal people is a must.

I like to think that I make sense as well. I am less ambitious than Pericles (or differently-ambitious). My proposed project is not to build a new community (as his is). I have confused the issue by following up on and posting a couple towns for sale, but really I am just thinking we could move a sufficient number of people to a low-population jurisdiction and once there join with the locals to move the town or county closer to liberty.

For instance, moving 1,000 people to any of the counties posted by TonySutton. Or to Grafton, NH. Or to some other low-population jurisdiction. We wouldn't have to build a town from scratch. It would just be a simple matter of moving in, in a normal way. Some additional housing would likely be needed to accomodate the population increase. This could be provided by, for instance, mobile homes.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

That's one of the main reasons the FSP selected NH instead of WY or MT. There just isn't a large or diverse enough job market in either of those states to attract a broad spectrum of liberty activists.

New Hampshire, Montana, and Wyoming, all have approximately equal labor participation rates. Thus, proportional to their populations, they all have equally large job markets. NH has three times as many jobs as Wyoming, and three times as many people competing to get those jobs.

People in NH have the option of commuting two hours every day to Boston, a much larger job market. However, people in Wyoming have the option of commuting one hour every day to Salt Lake, or one hour and fifteen minutes every day to Denver. So at least for NH vs. WY, it's a wash.