Controlled Opposition - A must read for everyone in the liberty movement

InterestedParticipant said:
So, I've been away from the forum for a little over a week, only to uncover the latest round of noise to hit this thread. Everyone should take note of what happens to an individual who attempts to move discussion beyond its authorized limits, for this is precisely what is occurring in this thread. Here are some of what you will experience in such a situation:

  • you will be framed as someone who is looking down on others, as arrogant and therefore not socially correct
  • your presence in the 'group' will be openly questioned and it will be suggested that you leave the 'group'
  • you will be threatened
  • you will be referred to as a "whack job"
  • you will be accused of being dishonest or openly called a liar
  • there will be demands to forcefully remove you from the 'group'
  • the unauthorized discussion will be discredited and it will be made clear that further unauthorized talk of this kind is unacceptable to this 'group'.

When you experience any one of these, then you will know that you are perceiving the world in ways that are outside the bounds as stipulated by social engineers. This is when u will know that u are thinking and perceiving the world on your own, as an individual, outside 'social norms'.
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Oh Good Lord! Would you like some cheese with that whine??? I've been bashed numerous times on this forum, and much harder than you have.

Please! You come on here calling people idol worshipers, among other condescending remarks, just because they don't buy into your unproven theories.

We live in world where everything is framed through dialectical synthesis, meaning that there is always opposition on every issue, and this opposition is brought together (synthesized) in a carefully constructed manner. Just because you are opposed to something does not mean you are not part of the planned synthesis. In fact, it is likely that you are. The question you need to ask yourself is, are you operating and thinking inside dialectical opposites that someone else has created for you, and do you have the tools to figure this out without relying on a thought leader who may have different interests than you.
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Are you claiming here that no one in a leadership role can be trusted? You've been asked repeatedly who it is you trust, but you won't share it. What if you had overwhelming support on this forum for your theories? What if people clamored to you, asking questions about your insights into Tavistock, ect.? Wouldn't that sort of turn you into a "leader" like the one you mention above? Do you think you would not suddenly become 'controlled opposition' in the mind of some other paranoid person? Probably. Everyone sees things through their own filters, because we're all individuals, and that explains why we don't agree on much. Therefore, it's ridiculous to assume that all dialectic is contrived by some master of the universe.

I don't know what your goal is, but I don't think it's malevolent, I think at best it's a half-baked theory based on the paranoia of some other person's theories that you have adopted. You made the mistake of wrongly accusing Griffin and JBS without first giving evidence (your inaccurate connect-the-dot theories notwithstanding).

I've been away trying to deal with a family crisis, but you have come into my thoughts now and again. I believe you have something of import to offer to this forum. I hope you figure out how to relay it without wrongly accusing well established orgs and individuals. I was right to warn you about doing such. It is unethical and unlawful to libel someone. That is not to say that JBS and Griffin are somehow infallible - as you seem to think we believe. Just try to give the people you are attempting to share information with a little more credit.
 
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I see one of the points being that it is not about trusting anyone, or replacing one group or leader with another. It is about being a leader of one, of yourself, and not having an idol in man's world.

Why trust anyone? The only reason to totally rely on others is because one is unwilling to do their own thinking. I see the push here to move toward total self reliance in thought. That's certainly where I'm trying to move toward.

I see the evidence for this everywhere, as the public is simply being lied to, ripped off and abused everywhere you look. I don't see anyway to stop it until we all start acting and thinking independently, and refusing to go along with so much propaganda from every corner of society.
 
diggronpaul said:
I see one of the points being that it is not about trusting anyone, or replacing one group or leader with another. It is about being a leader of one, of yourself, and not having an idol in man's world.
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I don't have a problem with that statement above. However, personal attacks with absolutely no proof is the issue I'm upset about.
 
I missed all the personal attacks..but the dialectic is exactly what we're doin here...circular logic, chasing your tail and looking over your shoulder all the time. It can make ya paranoid..that's for sure. Tones
 
FrankRep said:
I don't have a problem with that statement above. However, personal attacks with absolutely no proof is the issue I'm upset about.
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I'm going after organizations and their agents who were deliberately created to counter the bogus communist threat, intentionally keeping people in a false frame for the last 50 years (mostly the extreme right). You're angry about that? Well, you should direct your anger at those who dupe you repeatedly, but shield it in layers of deceptions and social programming.

The primary problem here is that the perpetrators appeal to many hear, and formulate and present their message in order to make it appealing to those who commonly frequent this forum. So, it is especially challenging for those here to see the deception. What is worse, is that is quite clear that there are those in this thread who refuse to do any independent research on their own. With this constraint, I see no way for those to leap the hurdle and escape this particular brand of gatekeeping.

Be mad, be upset, I really don't care. But if you continue to refuse to embark on your own research and your own learning, then you ultimately have no one to blame for your situation of having to find leaders & organizations to follow... entities that can take you over the cliff as you cheer their accolades.

I have given you myriad leads in this thread, and it is quite apparant that not one has been followed-up on. It is obvious you do NOT want to escape your regular dose of information, analysis and acceptable thought. This I find abhorrent.

Develop your own brand of thinking, real critical thought, independent of everything else... that is your only path of escape. Otherwise, continue down your existing path of followership, where you can follow your idol organization for the next 50 years of talk & misdirection and public management.
 
FrankRep said:
I've read David Rockefeller's book. He brags about it. Again, common knowledge.
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Jesus christ, there's another illusion... that it's all about Rockefeller... another front man, albeit high level.

To all those people who are silently visiting this thread and not posting (I see the counter going up pretty fast), can you see how ones thinking can be contained so that they only see a segment of reality. It's bizarre how the control systems of the brain work, but reality put right in front of a person can be dismissed by the person. Just watch this video to see how this works, to see what we are all witnessing right here in this thread.

YouTube - The Obama Syndrome - Hysteria


PS. When I said all the nonprofits were controlled, I wasn't talking only Rockefeller Foundation grantees.
 
InterestedParticipant said:
Jesus christ, there's another illusion... that it's all about Rockefeller... another front man, albeit high level.

To all those people who are silently visiting this thread and not posting (I see the counter going up pretty fast), can you see how ones thinking can be contained so that they only see a segment of reality. It's bizarre how the control systems of the brain work, but reality put right in front of a person can be dismissed by the person. Just watch this video to see how this works, to see what we are all witnessing right here in this thread.

YouTube - The Obama Syndrome - Hysteria
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I agree with you on the group dynamic. As soon as people begin to allow themselves to be shuttled into groups or membership organizations they can quickly loose their individuality unless they are incredible strong personalities. When they get lost in the group, groupthink quickly takes over and people start to just go along, thinking that what the group decides must be best or they wouldn't have signed-up in the first place. The video really demonstrates this.

But to your other point, are you saying that the group dynamic can be used to convince members of an altered reality, or a partial reality that reveals only some truths? So, a patriotic group could convince members that they have a grip on the entire problem facing the public, when in fact they only understand some subset of the problem, a subset that renders the collective individuals ineffective.

Hmmm... interesting.
 
InterestedParticipant said:
Jesus christ, there's another illusion... that it's all about Rockefeller... another front man, albeit high level.
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I didn't say it's all about Rockefeller, I just read his book. Lay off the coffee dude.


InterestedParticipant:

What's your opinion of Dr. Carroll Quigley and his books: "Tragedy and Hope" and "The Anglo American Establishment" ?
 
InterestedParticipant:

What's your opinion of Dr. Carroll Quigley and his books: "Tragedy and Hope" and "The Anglo American Establishment" ?
 
InterestedParticipant said:
JBS had high degree Freemasons, CFR members and Federal Reserve Board members on its founding board/committee.... infiltration was unnecessary.
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Since you're such a self-proclaimed "expert" on the John Birch Society, I'm sure you'll have no problem naming ALL the "high degree Freemasons, CFR members and Federal Reserve Board members on its founding board/committee", and give us complete verifiable documentation of the organizational ties of all of them. Please also give us complete verifiable documentation proving that each one was actually an agent of the New World Order.

As much love as there is here for McDonald (and I was in that camp for many years too), people should check out what other organizations he was part of and who was on the boards of those organizations with him. To your surprise, you'll find lots of establishment players. The mind boggles at how McDonald could truly be anti-world government and yet consistently show up on boards with people who clearly were in favor of world government. I have not yet proven a conclusions to myself here, but I have certainly been more than surprised after some investigation.
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During his lifetime, Larry McDonald was a member of well over fifty anti-New World Order, anti-Communist/Socialist organizations etc.---virtually none of which he actually controlled himself. Since he had no control over virtually any of the organizations he belonged to, it's quite obvious that he would be unable to stop those who controlled the organization from bringing in anybody they bloody well pleased.

And if McDonald was "controlled opposition", why were the Soviets allowed to shoot down the plane he was on, whereupon he disappeared forever?

The Soviets wouldn't have shot down a civilian airliner with 269 people aboard, without approval from very highly placed individuals in the New World Order power structure.

If McDonald was a key "operative" of the New World Order, providing extremely valuable "controlled opposition" in the many organizations he belonged to---why would the NWO get rid of such an important "agent"?

Sorry son, but your fanciful hypotheses are nothing but pure BULLS--T!
 
Conservative Christian said:
You got burned to a crisp on pages 20 and 21. Why am I not surprised that you've completely avoided responding to even one of the intellectual smackdowns I gave you. :D
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See, I really liked Interested Participant's arguments before you came along and destroyed them.

Thanks a lot... ;)

It's too bad really. It all sounded so mysterious and conspiratorial...as if there was another red pill to be taken...after the first.

Oh well. I guess this is what happens when extravagant theories are asked to be proven. Sometimes the evidence just isn't there.

Anybody who says facts are irrelevant trivialities probably shouldn't be trusted anyways...
 
Conservative Christian said:
You got burned to a crisp on pages 20 and 21. Why am I not surprised that you've completely avoided responding to even one of the intellectual smackdowns I gave you. :D
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This is not about some childish game on an Internet forum, this is about peoples lives and the decisions they make. I'm not in some sort of competition with anyone here, for these are techniques that the other side uses. I'm here to enforce how important it is to research all organizations before one gets involved, and to motivate people to understand why groups are created and how people are manipulated once in side them, even groups with the most apparent benevolent PR. I'm here to get people to start relying on the mind that God gave them, and to stop relying on organizations who serve them up their view of the world and their opinions.

To this end, there is ample evidence that can be found on the web to support everything I've stated here. As a first step to adult hood forum members should follow the leads, learn for themselves, and ultimately make their own decisions about how they move forward. I'm confident that this is already happening, and people will make good decisions once they have the information.

Finally, I understand how important it is for you to keep people in groups, I understand how the social manipulations were created and the structures required to perpetrate these manipulations. People are easily fooled by the type of technique that are being employed here, namely, comparing small data points of information, demanding inordinate level of proof, all while refusing to address the big picture where the constructs are so obvious.

What people here should retain is that this is a system, and that for every action there must be opposite actions... this is the dialectic that is manufactured and that we do not see. So, when the Communist threat was supposed to be elevated to its highest level in preparations for inordinate military expenditures, opposition groups of course needed to be formed, and in the late 50's JBS was one of these groups. For, social controller know there will be opposition to every action they take, so they create groups to capture and control that opposition before it even starts. This is simply how the game is played. Of course the actual allegiance of the actors who front for the opposition group must be hidden, that is obvious. And of course the opposition group must be sellable to the public, as they must see it as real opposition and must buy into the false reality. Once the public is bought into the opposition group, they will do anything to fight for its survival... that's the cognitive dissonance kicking in.

Anyway, my comments transcend all groups and organizations. My message is to think on your own and to discard all thought leaders and create opinions based on your own humanity.

P.S. If you remain curious about JBS, one starting point might be Des Griffin's web site where you can purchase a set of cassette tapes that play a conversation between Dr. Stuart Crane and Conrad Jarrell regarding the JBS and its foundings. But then this is only one source.
 
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