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What we had was testimony in the Reece Committee that was buried. Dodd was obviously trying to get the information out as he was in the last years of his life. He obviously trusted that this interview would result in wider and timely dissemination of this information. But the information was buried.

People could just read the Normon Dodd reports

Dodd Report to the Reece Committee on Foundations (1954)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3768227/Dodd-Report-to-the-Reece-Committee-on-Foundations-1954

The Dodd report to the American people (Unknown Binding)
by Norman Dodd
http://www.amazon.com/Dodd-report-A...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245347053&sr=1-4
 
People could just read the Normon Dodd reports

Dodd Report to the Reece Committee on Foundations (1954)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3768227/Dodd-Report-to-the-Reece-Committee-on-Foundations-1954

The Dodd report to the American people (Unknown Binding)
by Norman Dodd
http://www.amazon.com/Dodd-report-A...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245347053&sr=1-4
How would they have known about them in the 1980's?

Perhaps if Griffin & JBS didn't sit on the interview, people would have contacted the Library of Congress and inquired into the reports. But because the release of the interview was delayed 20 years, people didn't know about the committee, it's report, or the significance of its findings.

One reason why controlled opposition groups are established is so that people will become committed to the group more than the truth, and then the pyschological forces associated with cognitive dissonance creates a barrier that the individual must overcome in order to turn away from the group dynamic. These techniques were developed by the Tavistock Institute and can be found in discussion of the "Tavistock Method" (search it!).
 
Perhaps if Griffin & JBS didn't sit on the interview, people would have contacted the Library of Congress and inquired into the reports. But because the release of the interview was delayed 20 years, people didn't know about the committee, it's report, or the significance of its findings.

Normon Dodd, himself, could have written a detailed book about it and done some interviews with journalists and reporters to get the word out.
 
Normon Dodd, himself, could have written a detailed book about it and done some interviews with journalists and reporters to get the word out.
In your effort to blindly defend your "group" and mitigate your cognitive dissonance you fail to acknowledge the actions of those in control of your "group."

It is NOT relevant that Norman Dodd did or did not write a book. What is relevant in this discussion is the actions of JBS & Griffin... and they sat on this critical information.

There is absolutely nothing you can say or do now that will justify or explain this away. It cannot be dismissed. It exposes a major contradiction.
 
In your effort to blindly defend your "group" and mitigate your cognitive dissonance you fail to acknowledge the actions of those in control of your "group."

It is NOT relevant that Norman Dodd did or did not write a book. What is relevant in this discussion is the actions of JBS & Griffin... and they sat on this critical information.

There is absolutely nothing you can say or do now that will justify or explain this away. It cannot be dismissed. It exposes a major contradiction.

You're attacking Griffin and the JBS on a silly point about one video. You're disregarding all the many years of hard work they've done since the 1950s in exposing the corruption going on in the world and in the United States.

You can have the last word. This will be my last reply.
 
You're attacking Griffin and the JBS on a silly point about one video. You're disregarding all the many years of hard work they've done since the 1950s in exposing the corruption going on in the world and in the United States.

You can have the last word. This will be my last reply.
I will refer interested readers to my signature block.
 
Bottom line, if you're in the JBS bubble, there is no way you'll be able to see or expose the bubble. Until you're willing to take steps on your own, you will never know. But if you were a social engineer designing Huxley's Brave New World, where people do not see the controls in-place, then would you not include a JBS-like organization in your framework?

Is this kinda like The Matrix Reloaded where Neo finds out that what he thought was the free city of Zion is actually just a way to control those who would fight the matrix?

BTW, this thread rocks.

I'm not too sure about you, InterestedParticipant, but your point of view is very interesting and I'm enjoying watching this discussion. I've bookmarked those links you posted.
 
Is this kinda like The Matrix Reloaded where Neo finds out that what he thought was the free city of Zion is actually just a way to control those who would fight the matrix?

BTW, this thread rocks.

I'm not too sure about you, InterestedParticipant, but your point of view is very interesting and I'm enjoying watching this discussion. I've bookmarked those links you posted.
Well, I'm not sure I would use a Hollywood Movie for any understanding, as they are merely mechanisms of Cultural Control. But yes, it is of a similar concept to the Matrix Zion reference.

What I am trying to communicate, more than anything, is that society is engineered to control the masses such that the masses do not realize that they are being controlled. One doesn't have to go to conspiracy books or listen to Patriot radio to find this out. All one has to do is read the writings of the establishments own academics and institutions. The hard part is learning how to read their double speak, as they almost write in a code that is specifically designed to be interpreted differently by the public.

In any event, it is not difficult to find the material anymore, it's everywhere. Tavistock Institute and the Frankfurt School on Social Research designed much of the cultural controls that are in place now, such as Political Correctness (i.e. creating and using victim groups to alter society). Tavistock created, and perhaps still creates, many of our TV shows and Movies, like Norman Lear's All in the Family with Archie Bunker. Standford Research Institute (SRI), University of Michigan, Harvard all have departments that churn out issue papers to shape the thinking of intellectuals. The list goes on and on and on.... it's a huge system designed for massive social control, and it is all around us and it is a normal part of our society.

As far as foundations and fake opposition groups, well, I can't think of a single large foundation or nonprofit organization that is NOT fake... or controlled. Just read Rene Wormser's Foundations, Their Power and their Influence.

Also, I cannot think of a single media operative who has audience and is not controlled. Now, I'm not just talking mainstream media as they would like for you to believe, I am talking extended media, such as all the patriot radio stations that forum members here listen to.

The bottom line is, that the public is on its own.

P.S. If people here are so convinced that JBS & Griffin are not operatives, then please suggest to me organizations and operatives who they think ARE controlled opposition. Can you think of any that aren't totally obvious?
 
Well, I'm not sure I would use a Hollywood Movie for any understanding, as they are merely mechanisms of Cultural Control. But yes, it is of a similar concept to the Matrix Zion reference.

What I am trying to communicate, more than anything, is that society is engineered to control the masses such that the masses do not realize that they are being controlled. One doesn't have to go to conspiracy books or listen to Patriot radio to find this out. All one has to do is read the writings of the establishments own academics and institutions. The hard part is learning how to read their double speak, as they almost write in a code that is specifically designed to be interpreted differently by the public.

In any event, it is not difficult to find the material anymore, it's everywhere. Tavistock Institute and the Frankfurt School on Social Research designed much of the cultural controls that are in place now, such as Political Correctness (i.e. creating and using victim groups to alter society). Tavistock created, and perhaps still creates, many of our TV shows and Movies, like Norman Lear's All in the Family with Archie Bunker. Standford Research Institute (SRI), University of Michigan, Harvard all have departments that churn out issue papers to shape the thinking of intellectuals. The list goes on and on and on.... it's a huge system designed for massive social control, and it is all around us and it is a normal part of our society.

As far as foundations and fake opposition groups, well, I can't think of a single large foundation or nonprofit organization that is NOT fake... or controlled. Just read Rene Wormser's Foundations, Their Power and their Influence.

Also, I cannot think of a single media operative who has audience and is not controlled. Now, I'm not just talking mainstream media as they would like for you to believe, I am talking extended media, such as all the patriot radio stations that forum members here listen to.

The bottom line is, that the public is on its own.

P.S. If people here are so convinced that JBS & Griffin are not operatives, then please suggest to me organizations and operatives who they think ARE controlled opposition. Can you think of any that aren't totally obvious?

There's one key fact that you're not factoring into your thought process: everyone involved thinks they're doing the right thing. Union leaders actually think that they're doing what's best for society. Military contractors think they're doing what's best for our soldiers, our country, and the world. The AARP thinks it's doing what's best for old people, and the world in general. Zionists think they're doing what's best for the middle east. The Federal Reserve board members think they're providing the world with a stable financial infrastructure.

All these groups base their thought processes on the underlying assumption that the special group they're advocating for is morally superior to whatever opposition they're facing. For example, the UAW leaders sincerely believe that auto workers are morally superior to management, because they're the ones who perform the actual task of putting together automobiles. Members of the Federal Reserve think that bankers are doing the world a favor by lending them fake money. Zionists think that Jews are morally superior to Arabs. The AARP thinks that old people are morally superior to everyone else because they're old.

It's not a mind control game. It all stems from the simple fact that these political pressure groups sincerely believe that they're doing the world a favor by advocating for the interests of morally superior people. And they've managed to convince the rest of the world that they're right, mainly because there isn't anyone telling them otherwise.

This void of logical opposition isn't caused by some huge conspiracy to keep libertarians off the air. It's simply caused by the fact that no one has a personal vested interest in explaining to the masses that they're being ripped off. Political pressure groups are much more motivated than people like us who believe that everyone is entitled to equal treatment under the law. That's the problem.
 
There's one key fact that you're not factoring into your thought process: everyone involved thinks they're doing the right thing. Union leaders actually think that they're doing what's best for society. Military contractors think they're doing what's best for our soldiers, our country, and the world. The AARP thinks it's doing what's best for old people, and the world in general. Zionists think they're doing what's best for the middle east. The Federal Reserve board members think they're providing the world with a stable financial infrastructure.

All these groups base their thought processes on the underlying assumption that the special group they're advocating for is morally superior to whatever opposition they're facing. For example, the UAW leaders sincerely believe that auto workers are morally superior to management, because they're the ones who perform the actual task of putting together automobiles. Members of the Federal Reserve think that bankers are doing the world a favor by lending them fake money. Zionists think that Jews are morally superior to Arabs. The AARP thinks that old people are morally superior to everyone else because they're old.

It's not a mind control game. It all stems from the simple fact that these political pressure groups sincerely believe that they're doing the world a favor by advocating for the interests of morally superior people. And they've managed to convince the rest of the world that they're right, mainly because there isn't anyone telling them otherwise.

This void of logical opposition isn't caused by some huge conspiracy to keep libertarians off the air. It's simply caused by the fact that no one has a personal vested interest in explaining to the masses that they're being ripped off. Political pressure groups are much more motivated than people like us who believe that everyone is entitled to equal treatment under the law. That's the problem.
It's pretty obvious that you have not studied the Frankfurt School of Social Research and are simply speaking from what appears to be a logical perspective. It's obvious that you are intelligent, but one MUST understand their techniques to see the picture, I don't think it can be deduced through logic no matter how intelligent the observer.

But some questions that one should ask themselves...
  • How do you think all those groups were peeled off?
  • How do you think all of their frames of reference were created?
  • Why do some humans think they are better than others?
  • Where are the forces that create these social conditions coming from?
I'd argue that you're not thinking big enough.

But with respect to these groups that you mention, their leadership is filled with sociopathic personalities. That's how its run, that's how the followership is manipulated and controlled. That's why the followership thinks they are doing the right thing. It's all in the framing of the issues, the framing of reality... and this framing is socially engineered.

With respect to the Federal Reserve Board, they know exactly what they are doing, there is no false pretense there. You are assuming that all actors:
  1. have benevolent intentions;
  2. and that these benevolent intentions are directed toward the public.
Well, those assumptions are FALSE! Their constituency is NOT the public, their constituency is an International establishment of elite actors. It is this constituency that the FED has loyalty toward, and it is this group that seeks control over the public. We're the damn enemy!

As far as keeping Libertarians off the air, that was never my argument. What I am saying is that it is important to create groups who's thinking can be assimilated, and then to use media, and other group management techniques, to control these groups. It is the individual that is much more difficult to control. The Tavistock Model discusses just this, how to manipulate the group, which is what is used today through group leaders and change agents, amongst other methods. So, to the contrary, it is necessary to group Libertarians, and then to place actors on radio to manipulate and manage their thinking.

I would agree with you that NO one has "a personal vested interest in explaining to the masses that they're being ripped off." But why is this the case? I would argue that this is the case because anyone who has this vested interest is not supported by the foundations, is not given any media airtime by anyone in the extended media (including patriot radio) and is ruthlessly attacked if they actually gain any traction. The only actors and groups that are allowed to succeed are groups that are either controlled or surreptitiously serve the establishments agenda. That's all. Everything else is suppressed.

But to you point that this is NOT a conspiracy. Well that simply could not be further from the truth. This conspiracy of the elite against the public has been going on throughout history, it is nothing new. The only thing that has changed is the technology that the elite have at their disposal and the advancement of their techniques, such that the public cannot even detect them anymore. The social science is so damn good that people don't even recognize it, or know it exists.

P.S. The Matrix movies fulfilled a number of cultural purposes depending on the target audience. But on one level, it was meant to mock the public, that being one of the roles of the "entertainment industry." It's called mocking-the-victim, which confirms the psychopath's power over them. Just reread the discussions between Winston and O'Brien in 1984, toward the end of the book/movie... that provides real insight.
 
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I think he answered that. And that part is plausible, imo. If one wanted to control both sides of an argument, you would make sure you had control of the information. By Griffin interviewing Dodd, Dodd would think that he had at least gotten out the information and if someone else approached him to do same, he would likely turn them away, because it had already been done. Then, those wanting to control could edit or sit on the information that they now had in their hands.

At least, that's what I'm taking his point to be.

Note: I'm not saying I agree, because I don't know.

EDIT: Actually, this is the same type of thing that Carroll Quigley (Clinton's mentor) discussed in Tragedy and Hope, with regard to both major political parties being controlled. When the people get tired of one of the parties, the parties are switched out, but the same agenda continues. We think there has been a change, when in reality nothing has changed.



If Dodd was hell-bent on getting his story out there, I doubt he would have just sat back and accepted that Griffin was going to sit on it. If I were Dodd and a few months had passed, and nothing had been aired, or somehow disseminated, I would have taken other measures to get the word out.

I think this whole claim that JBS and Griffin are "controlled opposition" is just paranoia run amok.

Griffin is ignored by the MSM. I know this because I have been trying for months to get him interviewed. He believes 9-11 was inside, he also believes there are cures for cancer that big pharma stamps out. There is no way this man is C.O. Anyone who has watched "An idea whose time has come" and thinks this man is C.O. is just paranoid beyond tin foil usage.
 
If Dodd was hell-bent on getting his story out there, I doubt he would have just sat back and accepted that Griffin was going to sit on it. If I were Dodd and a few months had passed, and nothing had been aired, or somehow disseminated, I would have taken other measures to get the word out.

I think this whole claim that JBS and Griffin are "controlled opposition" is just paranoia run amok.

Griffin is ignored by the MSM. I know this because I have been trying for months to get him interviewed. He believes 9-11 was inside, he also believes there are cures for cancer that big pharma stamps out. There is no way this man is C.O. Anyone who has watched "An idea whose time has come" and thinks this man is C.O. is just paranoid beyond tin foil usage.
Interesting "analysis."

Dodd was approximately 83 years old at the time of this interview, do you really think he had the energy to follow-up with "G" to see if he was getting out the interview or had plans to sit on it. It's a pretty weak argument to suggest that it was somehow Dodd's responsibility to get the Griffin interview distributed.

Anyway, you are trying to excuse the behavior of someone who was sitting on a bombshell of information. As I've already shown in this thread, Reagan was traveling the world talking about the Soviet Evil Empire and "G" gets thrown in his lap a highly respected man, who while working for Congress, gets told the Soviet Union and the USA are to be merged. If we are to be merged, then how can we be enemies, unless one or both pieces of information are false. So what does Griffin do with this bombshell, he sits on the information for 20 years.

I then bring this up as an issue and your response is that anyone who bring this up "is just paranoid beyond tin foil usage." I find your position untenable and outrageous. Look, you said you worked with Griffin so you obviously have an emotional bond so you feel obliged to protect him. But this is certainly something that he should be answerable for, and I still have heard nothing satisfies the 2-decade delay of such important information.

Finally, I'm more than disgusted with the multiple attempts in this thread to find fault with Dodd. That poor man went through enough, having been blackballed by the financial industry for his work with the Reece Commission. The man always did the right thing, even when it meant great personal sacrifice. He attempted to get the information out by granting an interview prior to his death, only to be once again betrayed, this time by the interviewer.
 
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How would they have known about them in the 1980's?

Perhaps if Griffin & JBS didn't sit on the interview, people would have contacted the Library of Congress and inquired into the reports. But because the release of the interview was delayed 20 years, people didn't know about the committee, it's report, or the significance of its findings.

One reason why controlled opposition groups are established is so that people will become committed to the group more than the truth, and then the pyschological forces associated with cognitive dissonance creates a barrier that the individual must overcome in order to turn away from the group dynamic. These techniques were developed by the Tavistock Institute and can be found in discussion of the "Tavistock Method" (search it!).

Did it ever occur to you that your study of this method has made you paranoid?

I will start another thread that introduces the larger issue of Controlled Opposition operatives and how they work, as this thread has become mired in the defense of certain operatives who have risen to "Idol" status, and hence, the discussion has lost focus and therefore its significance. I do not want to get into childish squabbles about the authenticity of one's favorite personality, for then we are simply dealing with emotionality. What is important to understand is the subtle techniques that are used by controlled opposition in order to gain an audience's trust and ultimately its loyalty, thereby influencing the audience's thinking and perception of reality as they lose their ability to critically evaluate their world on their own.

Your attempt at diminishing the argument of others who disagree with you by claiming that they are idol worshipers or childish reveals your inability to accept the fact that not everyone is convinced by your lame accusations. And it isn't because we are stupid, or experiencing cognitive dissonance.

Perhaps you are just parroting what you've read elsewhere and these are not original thoughts. In which case you would do well to study the accomplishements of your victims of libel more thoroughly and give some real evidence that they are controlled opposition. Whatever the case may be, expect that there will be those of us who do have an understanding of C.O. and yet still do not believe your accusations.

I am still waiting for you to produce your claim that his "public excuse about this is pathetic". (referring to why he couldn't air the interview when he produced it).
 
Interesting "analysis."

Dodd was approximately 83 years old at the time of this interview, do you really think he had the energy to follow-up with "G" to see if he was getting out the interview or had plans to sit on it. It's a pretty weak argument to suggest that it was somehow Dodd's responsibility to get the Griffin interview distributed.

Anyway, you are trying to excuse the behavior of someone who was sitting on a bombshell of information. As I've already shown in this thread, Reagan was traveling the world talking about the Soviet Evil Empire and "G" gets thrown in his lap a highly respected man, who while working for Congress, gets told the Soviet Union and the USA are to be merged. If we are to be merged, then how can we be enemies, unless one or both pieces of information are false. So what does Griffin do with this bombshell, he sits on the information for 20 years.

I then bring this up as an issue and your response is that anyone who bring this up "is just paranoid beyond tin foil usage." I find your position untenable and outrageous. Look, you said you worked with Griffin so you obviously have an emotional bond so you feel obliged to protect him. But this is certainly something that he should be answerable for, and I still have heard nothing satisfies the 2-decade delay of such important information.

Finally, I'm more than disgusted with the multiple attempts in this thread to find fault with Dodd. That poor man went through enough, having been blackballed by the financial industry for his work with the Reece Commission. The man always did the right thing, even when it meant great personal sacrifice. He attempted to get the information out by granting an interview prior to his death, only to be once again betrayed, this time by the interviewer.


Who is finding faut with Dodd???? The man is a hero. I don't have an emotional attachment to Griffin. I respect and admire him as a person and his work. He doesn't deserve this trashing that you are doing of him and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are coming to your own conclusions based on your own paranoid paradigm. You have no evidence, and you refuse to provide any. Case closed.
 
Did it ever occur to you that your study of this method has made you paranoid?
No, you are untrained at spotting the techniques of disinformation operatives. But that's okay, so is 99.99999% of the population.

Rather than challenging me, you would be wise to ask questions and learn, as you seem to consistently work against your own best interest.

Look, you are not an objective observer here, nor do you possess the skills to make an proper analysis. This is not some ego trip, as you continue to insinuate, just a simple objective observation that is accurate.
 
no, you are untrained at spotting the techniques of disinformation operatives. But that's okay, so is 99.99999% of the population.

Rather than challenging me, you would be wise to ask questions and learn, as you seem to consistently work against your own best interest.

Look, you are not an objective observer here, nor do you possess the skills to make an proper analysis. This is not some ego trip, as you continue to insinuate, just a simple objective observation that is accurate.

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The Cold War was biggest manufactured dialectic of the 20th Century, perhaps the largest dialectic ever manufactured. Trillions of dollars were spent on the Cold War, and it affected every living human being during the period.

Someone receives proof that the dialectic is manufactured, and that the the end goal is radically different, which is actually a synthesis of the nations involved in this supposed Cold War. So, what does this person do, this person who receives this information that would change the world, he waits 20 years before he releases it.

Furthermore, this is not just some member of the public who obtains and sits on this information. This is someone who promotes themselves as a journalist... but not just any kind of journalist, a journalist who specializes in reporting stories that cannot be reported elsewhere. In fact, by the time of the interview Griffin had released numerous documentaries, working with other "activist journalists" and "researchers" such as Alan Stang, Bill McIlhany, and William Jasper.

But what's fascinating here is that Griffin's documentary's focused on exposing the Communist threat. So, while he knew from Dodd's interview that the Communist threat was a manufactured and fake dialectic, Griffin was producing documentaries that promoted the dialectic, while simultaneous sitting on Dodd's information.

If people can't see that there is a reason to be concerned here, then they have no hope of ever emerging from the Cave that Plato discussed.
 
The Cold War was biggest manufactured dialectic of the 20th Century, perhaps the largest dialectic ever manufactured. Trillions of dollars were spent on the Cold War, and it affected every living human being during the period.

Someone receives proof that the dialectic is manufactured, and that the the end goal is radically different, which is actually a synthesis of the nations involved in this supposed Cold War. So, what does this person do, this person who receives this information that would change the world, he waits 20 years before he releases it.

Furthermore, this is not just some member of the public who obtains and sits on this information. This is someone who promotes themselves as a journalist... but not just any kind of journalist, a journalist who specializes in reporting stories that cannot be reported elsewhere. In fact, by the time of the interview Griffin had released numerous documentaries, working with other "activist journalists" and "researchers" such as Alan Stang, Bill McIlhany, and William Jasper.

But what's fascinating here is that Griffin's documentary's focused on exposing the Communist threat. So, while he knew from Dodd's interview that the Communist threat was a manufactured and fake dialectic, Griffin was producing documentaries that promoted the dialectic, while simultaneous sitting on Dodd's information.

If people can't see that there is a reason to be concerned here, then they have no hope of ever emerging from the Cave that Plato discussed.

Didn't Griffin, Stang, McIlhany, and Jasper all come out of the early days of JBS?
 
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