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If your goal is to be the savior of the sheeple in this and other forums, perhaps you should start your quest by providing evidence of the accusations that you are flailing against Ed Griffin - for starters. You can't go around making wild accusations about people- claiming they are "controlled opposition" without some evidence. And sending us to research your claims is lazy and disingenuous. That's like a prosecuter claiming a man is guilty and expecting the man or the jury to find the evidence to prove it.
I can prove my case to another who understand IO (Information Operations). It's like trying to demonstrate that a complex superstructure is inherently unstable to someone who has no awareness of engineering models and no desire to do some basic learning about them. If you are unwilling to do at least rudimentary learning on your own than we cannot engage in a conversation because every sentence I use will require an entire separate lesson plan.

I've pointed to research material in this thread. I know that I and others have presented research material on psychological warfare and Information Operations in other threads many times since this forum began. Until you want to invest some time to at least learn the language and understand the basics, then we simply cannot have a conversation.

The proof is in the techniques that are used. As they are subtle, one must learn how to observe them. Until then, you will exist relying on others to tell you who and what to believe.
 
Then why interview him at all? You're going around in circles because you're cornered.
As I said before, it's called Total Information Dominance. Research it!

And stop wasting my time about one individual minor actor. This is a system, a network. Look at it holistically.
 
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I can prove my case to another who understand IO (Information Operations). It's like trying to demonstrate that a complex superstructure is inherently unstable to someone who has no awareness of engineering models and no desire to do some basic learning about them. If you are unwilling to do at least rudimentary learning on your own than we cannot engage in a conversation because every sentence I use will require an entire separate lesson plan.

I've pointed to research material in this thread. I know that I and others have presented research material on psychological warfare and Information Operations in other threads many times since this forum began. Until you want to invest some time to at least learn the language and understand the basics, then we simply cannot have a conversation.

The proof is in the techniques that are used. As they are subtle, one must learn how to observe them. Until then, you will exist relying on others to tell you who and what to believe.

You mean others....like you?


So basically you're claiming that I am too ignorant to understand any evidence that you could provide that would prove Ed Griffin is controlled opposition.

Yeah.....right.
 
As I said before, it's called Total Information Dominance. Research it!

And stop wasting my time about one individual minor actor. This is a system, a network. Look at it holistically.

So, assuming you're right, for the sake of argument. I'm supposed to believe that Mr. Griffin, who lives a relatively modest existance, is perfectly happy doing the evil bidding of tptb simply because he is a "useful idiot"? He loves his master?
 
You mean others....like you?


So basically you're claiming that I am too ignorant to understand any evidence that you could provide that would prove Ed Griffin is controlled opposition.

Yeah.....right.
No, I'm not telling you what to believe. I keep urging you to do research in areas that will enable you to figure it out for yourself. There's a big difference between what I am doing and what controlled actors are doing.

Further, it has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with a way of thinking and perception, what Paulo Freire calls "Conscienzation". It is NOT dependent on ones intellect.
 
So, assuming you're right, for the sake of argument. I'm supposed to believe that Mr. Griffin, who lives a relatively modest existance, is perfectly happy doing the evil bidding of tptb simply because he is a "useful idiot"? He loves his master?

No response to this? I'd like to hear your explanation as to why Ed Griffin would be a willing participant? What's in it for the "useful idiot"? Btw, any idea where that phrase comes from?
 
No, I'm not telling you what to believe. I keep urging you to do research in areas that will enable you to figure it out for yourself. There's a big difference between what I am doing and what controlled actors are doing.

Further, it has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with a way of thinking and perception, what Paulo Freire calls "Conscienzation". It is NOT dependent on ones intellect.
Can you suggest some specific material where I may get started?

I don't know about anyone else here, but I didn't realize that the Dodd video sat for 20 years. I saw it for the first time last year and it about knocked me over. I can't imagine why anyone would sit on that material given its gravity. That's kind of a shock.
 
No, I'm not telling you what to believe. I keep urging you to do research in areas that will enable you to figure it out for yourself. There's a big difference between what I am doing and what controlled actors are doing.

Further, it has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with a way of thinking and perception, what Paulo Freire calls "Conscienzation". It is NOT dependent on ones intellect.

Actually, you made some pretty grievous claims in this thread and you seem to refuse to back them up. What you have done however, is smear both the JBS and G. Edward Griffin, without one ounce of proof.

Time to put up.

Thanks in advance. :)
 
Can you suggest some specific material where I may get started?

I don't know about anyone else here, but I didn't realize that the Dodd video sat for 20 years. I saw it for the first time last year and it about knocked me over. I can't imagine why anyone would sit on that material given its gravity. That's kind of a shock.

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By the way, the next time you talk to "G", ask him why he sat on the Norman Dodd video taped interviews for 20 years because his public excuse about this is pathetic.

Here's your answer:


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G. Edward Griffin to me
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The truth is that there was no general interest in this interview until several years after I recorded it. Also, it costs money to edit and release a video, even a simple one like that one. Money has always been tight at American Media, but it was particularly so during those early days. If this guy thinks I “sat” on the interview, I wonder why he thinks I recorded it in the first place and why I released it at all. I could have just skipped it in the beginning or, having recorded it, I could have buried it completely, if that was my mission. This person makes no sense at all, and I am amazed that anyone pays attention to him. You may post this if you wish.

Ed Griffin
 
Then why interview him at all? You're going around in circles because you're cornered.

I think he answered that. And that part is plausible, imo. If one wanted to control both sides of an argument, you would make sure you had control of the information. By Griffin interviewing Dodd, Dodd would think that he had at least gotten out the information and if someone else approached him to do same, he would likely turn them away, because it had already been done. Then, those wanting to control could edit or sit on the information that they now had in their hands.

At least, that's what I'm taking his point to be.

Note: I'm not saying I agree, because I don't know.

EDIT: Actually, this is the same type of thing that Carroll Quigley (Clinton's mentor) discussed in Tragedy and Hope, with regard to both major political parties being controlled. When the people get tired of one of the parties, the parties are switched out, but the same agenda continues. We think there has been a change, when in reality nothing has changed.
 
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Beck is two faced tones. I really think he hates our guts. The same day after he had RP on his show and was nice, he went on his friends show saying how much of a whackjob he and all his supporters are. If and when there is a terrorist attack like 911 and say this person is associated with campaign for liberty or RP, etc, he will be the first one calling for RP supporters arrest and detainment. He doesn't respect most of the constitution, like the 4th amendment, habeus corpus, etc, and he can't be trusted in a crisis. He initially supported the bailouts. Don't forget that. He is a fraud.

Exactly the reason I didn't accept his crocodile tears and join 912 project. Hopefully people use that site to get together and take matters into their own hands and don't follow puppet beck.
 
Can you suggest some specific material where I may get started?

I don't know about anyone else here, but I didn't realize that the Dodd video sat for 20 years. I saw it for the first time last year and it about knocked me over. I can't imagine why anyone would sit on that material given its gravity. That's kind of a shock.
I'd start with Charlotte Iserbyt and her book, Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. Charlotte appears to be one of a handful, if that, of people who do not misrepresent significant elements of the conspiracy, or reframe the issues to confuse the audience, or omit critical factors that can leave one to misguided conclusions. Charlotte has written a number of excellent short articles and posted them on her website as well as at Newswithviews.com. Additionally, her son runs AmericanDeception.com that contains an excellent library of pertinent materials. Also, I know there are a few others here who follow Charlotte and I have discovered threads that present and discuss her work, so you may want to start by searching RPF. Finally, Charlotte's footnotes reference other sources of excellent material, such as William Fosters Toward a Soviet America.

Actually, you made some pretty grievous claims in this thread and you seem to refuse to back them up. What you have done however, is smear both the JBS and G. Edward Griffin, without one ounce of proof.

Time to put up.

Thanks in advance. :)
I will start another thread that introduces the larger issue of Controlled Opposition operatives and how they work, as this thread has become mired in the defense of certain operatives who have risen to "Idol" status, and hence, the discussion has lost focus and therefore its significance. I do not want to get into childish squabbles about the authenticity of one's favorite personality, for then we are simply dealing with emotionality. What is important to understand is the subtle techniques that are used by controlled opposition in order to gain an audience's trust and ultimately its loyalty, thereby influencing the audience's thinking and perception of reality as they lose their ability to critically evaluate their world on their own.

Finally, I will say that I am more than amazed that no one seems to appreciate the significance of the delay of the release of the Norman Dodd interview. Let's rollback in history to understand where we were when these revelations were exposed.

First, let's review perhaps Dodd's most important revelation, which was that the President of the Ford Foundation, a definite insider, said that they sought to "alter life in the United States, [so] that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."

Second, it is important to recall that this interview was conducted in 1982:
  • well before the Berlin Wall came down;
  • well before Communist governments collapsed, including the Soviet Union;
  • well before the end of the Cold War;
  • around the time Reagan was discussing the Starwars space weapon initiative (SDI)
  • well before Reagan and Gorbachev met at the 1986 summit in Reykjavik that resulted in the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (eliminating nuclear and conventional ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles with intermediate ranges)
  • during the time while Reagan was waging covert wars against Central America (telling Americans he was fighting against the Communist threat), resulting in more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua
  • at the time, this was the height of Reagan's “evil empire” campaign, saying that America's Judeo-Christian traditions compared to the Soviet Union's totalitarian leadership and lack of religious faith are at the heart of the fight between the two nations.


    YouTube - President Ronald Reagan - "Evil Empire" Speech
  • Well before Reagan's "Tear Down This Wall" speech on June 12 1987

YouTube - "Tear Down This Wall" Reagan speech June 12 1987


Now, think about what you would have thought if you found out in the 1980's that the American establishment was planning to merge the US & Soviet systems? Tell me how confused you would have been to hear that right in the middle of Reagan pounding his fists regarding the threat of communism.

Just take a look at this Los Angeles Times article by Eleanor Clift from 1986, Reagan Asks for Support for Defense Plan, President Says Soviet Threat Requires Buildup. The article reports, "In a nationally televised address from the Oval office, Reagan said continued high levels of defense spending were essential if he is to forestall the Soviet threat around the world and win concessions from Soviet Leader Mikhail S. Gorbachev." Hence, Dodd was basically telling the world that the he was told that the Soviet system was to be merged with the US System around the same time Reagan is prosecuting a war in Central American “communists” and calling-on the American people to spend massive amounts of money to build-up our defenses This is huge!

How can anyone say that this information was not important at the time, or that there would have been no interest. It would have changed everything and showed Reagan's call for a buildup to be nothing more than a scam on the American people. Anyone who is the least bit interested in truth and the plight of the American public would have worked around the clock to distribute such information.

I just don't get how anyone can merely scoff at someone who expresses concern over this 20+ year delay in releasing this key interview. Further, I don't see how anyone who promotes themselves as an activist would tell others not to listen to someone who is expressing such concern.

In Summary, releasing Dodd's information in the 1980's, especially prior to 1989 (7 years after the interview), could have made a major difference in how American's perceived events around them. I simply don't know anyone can argue this point, and I don't know how anyone can sleep at night knowing that they possessed such information but did not release it!
 
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I'd start with Charlotte Iserbyt and her book, Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. Charlotte appears to be one of a handful, if that, of people who do not misrepresent significant elements of the conspiracy, or reframe the issues to confuse the audience, or omit critical factors that can leave one to misguided conclusions. Charlotte has written a number of excellent short articles and posted them on her website as well as at Newswithviews.com. Additionally, her son runs AmericanDeception.com that contains an excellent library of pertinent materials. Also, I know there are a few others here who follow Charlotte and I have discovered threads that present and discuss her work, so you may want to start by searching RPF. Finally, Charlotte's footnotes reference other sources of excellent material, such as William Fosters Toward a Soviet America.
Thanks, I'll check these references out.

As far Dodd's characterization of what was really going on versus what the public saw with Reagan... it's kind of mind blowing really. Two totally different worlds. In hindsight, knowing what we know now, I wonder if Reagan actually believed the BS he was selling to the public?
 
The New World Order’s 25 Tenets:

1) Men are inclined to evil rather than good.

2) Preach Liberalism.

3) Use ideals of freedom to bring about class wars.

4) Any and all means necessary should be used to reach their goals as they are justified.

5) Believe their rights lie in force.

6) The power of their resources must remain invisible until the very moment that they have gained the strength so that no group or force can undermine it.

7) Advocates a mob psychology to obtain control of the masses

8 ) Promotes the use of alcohol, drugs, moral corruption, and all forms of vice to systematically corrupt the youth of the nation.

9) Seize citizens’ private property by any means necessary.

10) The use of slogans such as equity, liberty, and fraternity are used on the masses as psychological warfare.

11) War should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences are designed so that neither combatant retain territory rights.

12) Members must use their wealth to have candidates chosen to public office who would be obedient to their demands, and would be used as pawns in the game by the men behind the scenes. The advisors will have been bred, reared, and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world.

13) Control the press, and hence most of the information the public receives.

14) Agents and provocateurs will come forward after creating traumatic situations, and appear to be the saviors of the masses, when they are actually interested in just the opposite, the reduction of the population.

15) Create industrial depression and financial panic, unemployment, hunger, shortage of food, use these events to control the masses and mobs. and use them to wipe out those who stand in the way.

16) Infiltrate Freemasonry which is to be used to conceal and further objectives.

17) Expound the value of systematic deception, use high sounding slogans and phrases, advocate lavish sounding promises to the masses even though they can’t be kept.

18) The art of street fighting is necessary to bring the population into subjection.

19) Use agents as provocateurs and advisers behind the scenes, and after wars use secret diplomacy talks to gain control.

20) Establish huge monopolies towards world government control.

21) Use high taxes and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin by controlling raw materials, organized agitation among the workers, and subsidizing competitors.

22) Build up armaments with police and soldiers who can protect and further New World Order interests.

23) Members and leaders of the one world government will be appointed by the director of the New World Order.

24) Infiltrate into all classes and levels of society and government for the purpose of teaching the youth in the schools theories and principles known to be false.

25) Create and use national and international laws to destroy civilization.
 
As far Dodd's characterization of what was really going on versus what the public saw with Reagan... it's kind of mind blowing really. Two totally different worlds. In hindsight, knowing what we know now, I wonder if Reagan actually believed the BS he was selling to the public?
What I don't get here is that Griffin was a member of JBS, which was started around 1959. So, did Griffin NOT tell JBS about the Dodd interview and its contents, as JBS had membership around the country in the 1980's, and was running local meetings and possessed distribution channels for other material that is was producing. If Griffin would have told JBS the contents of this interview, at least its transcript, could have gotten out. If Griffin DID tell JBS about the interview, or if JBS execs knew about it through some other means, then why did JBS NOT distribute the transcripts or a summary of its key findings?

The technique that I am alluding to here is called Gatekeeping. This is where information is deliberately contained and secured so that the information can be moderated, filtered, or sanitized before its release; or the release delayed; or perhaps totally censored.

What I am saying is that if there was no good reason to keep the information contained, but numerous important reasons for it to be released and widely distributed through an existing JBS network, then what possible reasonable explanation could there be other than Gatekeeping?

We've had someone here ask Griffin that question, and his reply has been posted in this thread. Perhaps one of the JBS members here can also pose that same question to JBS execs (When did you or JBS know about the Dodd interview and when did you decide to release its information?)

I think its only fair for people who follow these movements to know whether they are Gatekeepers or not.

The New World Order’s 25 Tenets.
Thanks for that list.
 
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What I don't get here is that Griffin was a member of JBS, which was started around 1959. So, did Griffin NOT tell JBS about the Dodd interview and its contents, as JBS had membership around the country in the 1980's, and was running local meetings and possessed distribution channels for other material that is was producing. If Griffin would have told JBS the contents of this interview, at least its transcript, could have gotten out. If Griffin DID tell JBS about the interview, or if JBS execs knew about it through some other means, then why did JBS NOT distribute the transcripts or a summary of its key findings?

It's common JBS knowledge that the Tax free foundations are corrupt. Norman Dodd's interview was awesome, but it's only a confirmation of the common knowledge.

G. Edward Griffin: "The truth is that there was no general interest in this interview until several years after I recorded it."

This still rings true right now. Most people out there just don't care, except for the truth seekers who love liberty.

InterestedParticipant, you're freaking out about something minor.
 
It's common JBS knowledge that the Tax free foundations are corrupt. Norman Dodd's interview was awesome, but it's only a confirmation of the common knowledge.
This is a minor point.

The much larger point is that the White House was collaborating with Wall Street to merge the Soviet and US systems. And this was known at the time that Reagan was spouting-out the "evil empire" propaganda.

This is no small matter.
 
This is a minor point.

The much larger point is that the White House was collaborating with Wall Street to merge the Soviet and US systems. And this was known at the time that Reagan was spouting-out the "evil empire" propaganda.

This is no small matter.
We knew this in the late 50s.
 
We knew this in the late 50s.
What we had was testimony in the Reece Committee that was buried. Dodd was obviously trying to get the information out as he was in the last years of his life. He obviously trusted that this interview would result in wider and timely dissemination of this information. But the information was buried.

Look, controlled opposition groups and actors are not successful unless their techniques are subtle and undetectable. If their tactics are NOT subtle then they risk exposure. To simply scoff at my discussion and dismiss this enormous data point is to be absolutely blind to one of their main functions, and that is to control the distribution of sensitive information.

If one is unable to grasp the significance of this discussion, then one will almost never uncover a controlled opposition actor and is at high risk of falling victim to their techniques.

There are many other techniques utilized as well, but they are far more subtle than this obvious example I have brought to the attention of this forum, which merely seems to scoff or ignore its significance. No wonder we are so easy to control.
 
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