Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

[heavenlyboy34]

Don't worry, I repped him for you.

PS: This is what freedom looks like

Thankee, sir. +10000 for that pic. I'll try to +rep ya for that ASAP. Out of ammo now.

 

[Travlyr]

What was the Union armies stay in Alexandria, la like? what were they concerned with? what were they stealing and who were they leaving behind for reprisal?

I do not understand your question and I do not consider myself an expert on the Civil War. I simply understand who Lincoln was prior to the war. He was not a tyrant. Abraham Lincoln did not like killing. He did not even like to kill an animal to eat even though he had to kill sometimes to eat. During the Black Hawk War, Lincoln killed no one but he did defend a Black Hawk Indian and set him free when his platoon wanted to kill him.

 

[torchbearer]

So we killed a bunch of people in the revolution, treated the tories like crap, all to secure slavery to ourselves but YES it was still worth it???????????

they should have stayed separate states with no federal government. then slavery would have lost out through competing states... assuming there would be at least some states that had freedom for all.

 

[torchbearer]

I do not understand your question and I do not consider myself an expert on the Civil War. I simply understand who Lincoln was prior to the war. He was not a tyrant. Abraham Lincoln did not like killing. He did not even like to kill an animal to eat even though he had to kill sometimes to eat. During the Black Hawk War, Lincoln killed no one but he did defend a Black Hawk Indian and set him free when his platoon wanted to kill him.

You are wrapped up in a personality and missing the massacre that played out by his decisions.

 

[Travlyr]

Its a form of government, one that has a weak central government.
confederacy is a step closer to Jeffersonian principles. only libtards mix that up with slavery.

The Confederate Constitution and Vice President of the Confederate States of America Alexander H. Stephens disagrees with you in their own words.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

they should have stayed separate states with no federal government. then slavery would have lost out through competing states... assuming there would be at least some states that had freedom for all.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to torchbearer again I'll +rep ya again when I get a chance.

 

[torchbearer]

Thankee, sir. +10000 for that pic. I'll try to +rep ya for that ASAP. Out of ammo now.

I gave him one for you.

 

[torchbearer]

The Confederate Constitution and Vice President of the Confederate States of America Alexander H. Stephens disagrees with you in their own words.

what is a federation? what is a confederation?
hint: google is your friend.

 

[jmdrake]

So we killed a bunch of people in the revolution, treated the tories like crap, all to secure slavery to ourselves but YES it was still worth it???????????

Yeah. Somebody gets what I'm saying. And so far I haven't heard any evidence of how "free" the confederate constitution was. A constitution that guarantees the right to own slaves and a government that conscripts even white people isn't exactly a model of freedom. Hate Lincoln all you want. But the romanticism of the confederacy around here is just laughable.

 

[Confederate]

Yeah... for white people.

Slavery would have died out without the need for The Great Negro Savior Lincoln to step in.

 

[jmdrake]

Its a form of government, one that has a weak central government.
confederacy is a step closer to Jeffersonian principles. only libtards mix that up with slavery.

Because only "libtards" think that a draft is slavery. And only libtards think that a constitutionally guaranteed right to own slaves = slavery. I'm willing to go with the "both sides sucked" argument. But if the south was so great, why did they have to force people to fight for them?

 

[Travlyr]

Yeah. Somebody gets what I'm saying. And so far I haven't heard any evidence of how "free" the confederate constitution was. A constitution that guarantees the right to own slaves and a government that conscripts even white people isn't exactly a model of freedom. Hate Lincoln all you want. But the romanticism of the confederacy around here is just laughable.

Indeed it is.

 

[jmdrake]

Slavery would have died out without the need for The Great Negro Savior Lincoln to step in.

Draft = slavery. The confederacy had slavery for white people. Lincoln picked up on that from them.

 

[torchbearer]

Yeah. Somebody gets what I'm saying. And so far I haven't heard any evidence of how "free" the confederate constitution was. A constitution that guarantees the right to own slaves and a government that conscripts even white people isn't exactly a model of freedom. Hate Lincoln all you want. But the romanticism of the confederacy around here is just laughable.

from what I read, the citizens of Louisiana weren't beholden to Georgia or a confederate government. perhaps that was because it was new and they were losing the war for a couple years near the end.
these people still had to deal with the Louisiana government, but that is an easier task than changing a federal one. I romanticize people breaking away from a federal tyrant. I romanticize people breaking away from collectives.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The Confederate Constitution and Vice President of the Confederate States of America Alexander H. Stephens disagrees with you in their own words.

You're missing the point. Torch is talking about confederation in general (which Americans chose for themselves till the coup of 1787), not the CSA specifically.

 

[Confederate]

So we killed a bunch of people in the revolution, treated the tories like crap, all to secure slavery to ourselves but YES it was still worth it???????????

There are different forms of slavery. Just because you're not someone's property doesn't mean you're not the property of the state. There are also differing levels of slavery, being subjects of The Crown is much different from being a citizen of a republic. In neither cases, however, are you truly free, meaning completely self-governing.

Revolution against the British was worth it, because originally the USA was a confederacy which was much more free than the federation which took its place.

 

[torchbearer]

Because only "libtards" think that a draft is slavery. And only libtards think that a constitutionally guaranteed right to own slaves = slavery. I'm willing to go with the "both sides sucked" argument. But if the south was so great, why did they have to force people to fight for them?

maybe you missed that point? I was talking about forms of government. a confederacy does not equal slavery. that is the libtard demagoguery that leads to the miss direction in thinking.

 

[jmdrake]

Did the USA have taxation since the beginning? Yes.
Did the USA have eminent domain since the beginning? Yes.
Did the US Constitution guarantee the right of secession at all levels? No.

Did the confederacy of the south have taxation from the beginning? Yes.
Did the confederacy of the south guarantee the right to own slaves? Yes.
Did the confederacy of the south have the draft from the beginning? Yes.

What's the point to fight for your "freedom" if you accept from the get go that your supporting a system that enslaves whites as well as blacks (the confederacy)?

 

[Travlyr]

Slavery would have died out without the need for The Great Negro Savior Lincoln to step in.

If Jefferson Davis had conquered Washington City prior to May 1, 1861 as claimed by his Secretary of War, then how would slavery ever ended in America. I would love to have two slaves. A man slave to do my labor and a woman for cooking and fun. I would never vote to end slavery.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Draft = slavery. The confederacy had slavery for white people. Lincoln picked up on that from them.

Wrong. Conscription existed in the Revolutionary War in some states. Monroe wanted conscription in every state.