Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

:rolleyes: I guess we should have stayed with Great Britain then.

The Revolution was a great thing, but don't kid yourself if you think people were truly sovereign citizens in 1776. It has gone downhill since then, especially since the War of Northern Aggression.
 
OMFG, we agree on something! :eek: :)

Let me see if I get this straight. So you believe that going from the 1787 (the formation of the union) you believe that everyone was a slave? Thomas Jefferson, George Washington etc all willingly agreed to be slaves? Ummm...okay.
 
:rolleyes: I guess we should have stayed with Great Britain then.
WTF?
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The Revolution was a great thing, but don't kid yourself if you think people were truly sovereign citizens in 1776. It has gone downhill since then, especially since the War of Northern Aggression.

So you believe Jefferson, Washington etc all willingly agreed to be slaves? That's your position? And do you think in the confederate states had won, their people (minus the blacks of course) would not have been slaves? Do you realize that the southern states were the first to institute a draft?
 
The Confederate States did not want to conquer the USA.
That must be the latest history being taught in schools.
The evil confederate empire just wouldn't leave the peace loving/open-minded progressives of the northern states alone. Lincoln had no choice but to defend his sovereign nation from attack and thus, reluctantly, fought the defensive war of northern negro freedom.
 
So you believe Jefferson, Washington etc all willingly agreed to be slaves? That's your position? And do you think in the confederate states had won, their people (minus the blacks of course) would not have been slaves? Do you realize that the southern states were the first to institute a draft?

Did the USA have taxation since the beginning? Yes.
Did the USA have eminent domain since the beginning? Yes.
Did the US Constitution guarantee the right of secession at all levels? No.
 
There were no slaves in the North. :rolleyes:

There were both free and slave Northern states. For the most part, when slave masters took their slaves to the free states they were only allowed to transit through the state with their slaves and not stay. If they lingered with their slaves, then the anti-slavery people would kidnap the slaves and free them through the Underground railroad. The Fugitive slave laws of 1850 worked to return the slaves back to the slave owner, but many states would not comply. For example, Dred Scott became a free man who was re-enslaved by a decision by the Supreme Court. The Confederate Constitution intended to put a stop to slave masters losing their rightful property. The Southern Confederacy intended to force slavery on the free states because slavery was very popular.

Who wouldn't want to own a slave?

Lincoln was fearful of slavery spreading throughout the Union even in the free states.
Pre-Civil War

Mr. Lincoln's attitudes toward slavery were closely connected to his ideas about work, wealth and justice. Friend and political colleague Joseph Gillespie wrote: "Mr. Lincolns sense of justice was intensely strong. It was to this mainly that his hatred of slavery may be attributed. He abhorred the institution. It was about the only public question on which he would become excited.

I recollect meeting with him once at Shelbyville when he remarked that something must be done or slavery would overrun the whole country. He said there were about 600,000 non slave holding whites in Kentucky to about 33,000 slave holders. That in the convention then recently held it was expected that the delegates would represent these classes about in proportion to their respective numbers but when the convention assembled there was not a single representative of the non slaveholding class.

Every one was in the interest of the slaveholders and said he this thing is spreading like wild fire over the Country. In a few years we will be ready to accept the institution in Illinois and the whole country will adopt it. I asked him to what he attributed the change that was going on in public opinion. He said he had put that question to a Kentuckian shortly before who answered by saying — you might have any amount of land, money in your pocket or bank stock and while travelling around no body would be any the wiser but if you had a darkey trudging at your heels every body would see him & know that you owned slaves — It is the most glittering ostentatious & displaying property in the world and now says he if a young man goes courting the only inquiry is how many negroes he or she owns and not what other property they may have.

The love for Slavery property was swallowing up every other mercenary passion. Its ownership betokened not only the possession of wealth but indicated the gentleman of leisure who as was above and scorned labour. These things Mr. Lincoln regarded as highly seductive to the thoughtless and giddy headed young men who looked upon work as vulgar and ungentlemanly. Mr Lincoln was really excited and said with great earnestness that this spirit ought to be met and if possible checked. That slavery was a great & crying injustice an enormous national crime and that we could not expect to escape punishment for it.
 
Let me see if I get this straight. So you believe that going from the 1787 (the formation of the union) you believe that everyone was a slave? Thomas Jefferson, George Washington etc all willingly agreed to be slaves? Ummm...okay.
The coup of 1787 did make slaves of most people, yes. Jefferson, Washington, etc were not slaves. Then, as now, there was a slave class and the elites (and cronies). There wasn't even a middle class then, so if you look at it from the perspective of a person at that time, it's clearer.

BTW, I wouldn't date the formation of the Union to 1787. I suggest 1781 (Articles of Confederation ratified).
 
That must be the latest history being taught in schools.
The evil confederate empire just wouldn't leave the peace loving/open-minded progressives of the northern states alone. Lincoln had no choice but to defend his sovereign nation from attack and thus, reluctantly, fought the defensive war of northern negro freedom.

It is documented truth.
 
I'm sure the government has printed many such documents for your consumption. That is what my previous post was about. You are a product.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to torchbearer again
:( The Court Historians were indeed victorious in that regard.
 
I'm sure the government has printed many such documents for your consumption. That is what my previous post was about. You are a product.

Actually, I am a student of history. Abraham Lincoln grew up in virtual anarchy. He rejected it as a young man. I can document Lincoln's history back to his grandfather Abraham.
 
Actually, I am a student of history. Abraham Lincoln grew up in virtual anarchy. He rejected it as a young man. I can document Lincoln's history back to his grandfather Abraham.
What was the Union armies stay in Alexandria, la like? what were they concerned with? what were they stealing and who were they leaving behind for reprisal?
 
we have local history documents that paint a completely different picture of what the union army was doing in Louisiana. and it had nothing to do with slaves or defending a republic.
saying you are an expert at government sanctioned history isn't saying much.
most historical text lie outside of the classroom.
 
So we killed a bunch of people in the revolution, treated the tories like crap, all to secure slavery to ourselves but YES it was still worth it???????????
 
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