Confirmed: PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount

[slamhead]

Lets look at the bright side. This recount was never intended to garner more votes for RP it was to question the strange statistical anomaly between hand counted and machine counted votes. It was on the democratic side where the significant anomaly occurred and this recount is going to proceed.

 

[Unspun]

Why do people still use Paypal?

 

[Arklatex]

As a shareholder in EBAY, I am much more inclined to buy google in the future.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

oh I am not Shaun, that was cut/paste =)

Oh, sorry.

The thing is.... even if Paypal deliberately screwed us, if the grannies didn't follow the TOS, then you can't argue, sue, anything....

 

[angelatc]

Part of the issue too is the difference between a PayPal Standard and a PayPal Premium account. Premium accounts are for business owners and are more flexible about the transaction size. However you need a business EIN to do this and it takes at least 10 business days to set it up. I doubt "Granny Warriors" has incorporated.

If they were trying to clear $55,000 in one week via a standard account they should have known this would happen. It automatically sets off red flags for an individual account to have that type of funds transaction, as well it should.

No it should not! You've been brainwashed. Why should people have to explain their personal business like that?

Also, you do not need to be incorporated to have an EIN.

Finally, if they have a PayPal debit card, it would reasonably possible to draw on the funds immediately.

Having a business account in no way protects you from this. You're delusional if you think this cannot happen to you. Politics being what they are, PayPal would be a very simple way to sabotage an opponent.

 

[angelatc]

So does your credit card company and the bank. This is SOP.

With my credit card company and my bank, I can clear up any confusion with a 2 minute phone call. PayPal offers no such option. Their investigations intentionally take weeks, and sometimes months.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

No it should not! You've been brainwashed. Why should people have to explain their personal business like that?

Because in their TOS under "acceptable use" it states that if you are collecting money for a cause (a charity for instance) then you have to get PRE-APPROVED by PayPal and then it gives an e-mail to send information to.

That's why.

And it isn't the grannies "personal business"... it is collecting money to directly influence a Presidential election.

 

[angelatc]

Why do people still use Paypal?[/QUOTE

I think an even better question is (as in the case of the blimp) why do people refuse to use anything else? Paypal is the least secure money changer in the game, but people act like it's sacrilege to use them and only them.

 

[angelatc]

Because in their TOS under "acceptable use" it states that if you are collecting money for a cause (a charity for instance) then you have to get PRE-APPROVED by PayPal and then it gives an e-mail to send information to.

That's why.

And it isn't the grannies "personal business"... it is collecting money to directly influence a Presidential election.

Sigh, Their TOS is a shoddy, pieced together piece of crap that they freely amend as the situation calls for. They wave it around like Neocons carrying a flag.

Paypal sucks. Letting Paypal try to protect users is as bad as having the government try to protect us.

There's no excuse for them to sit on that money for more than 1 day. If te cause isn't approved, then refund the money. Their policy of taking a month to review cases is insanely inadequate.

 

[WATYF]

If you are not an Agent Provocateur, you play one on TV.

This isn't because of your opinion so much as your wrath that is aimed at our own grassroots. Throughout this thread you repeatedly create the illusions:
-that we are angry with our own
-that the grassroots is somehow incompetent
-that we should no longer trust contributions

You, sir, are the enemy.

You, sir, are not one of us.

Nonsense... he never said any of those things. Never said anything about trusting contributions... never said anything about the grassroots movement...

Someone made a mistake. I think it was an honest mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Calling someone the "enemy" just because they're actually big enough to admit that Ron Paul supporters are capable of making mistakes is pretty absurd.


WATYF

 

[UtahApocalypse]

No it should not! You've been brainwashed. Why should people have to explain their personal business like that?

Sigh, Their TOS is a shoddy, pieced together piece of crap that they freely amend as the situation calls for. They wave it around like Neocons carrying a flag.

Paypal sucks. Letting Paypal try to protect users is as bad as having the government try to protect us.

There's no excuse for them to sit on that money for more than 1 day. If te cause isn't approved, then refund the money. Their policy of taking a month to review cases is insanely inadequate.

You have to follow the rules. If you don't like them you find some other way that will work. PayPal sucks, but that's who the GW decided to use. We can't blame PayPal for running their company according to its own policies.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

Sigh, Their TOS is a shoddy, pieced together piece of crap that they freely amend as the situation calls for. They wave it around like Neocons carrying a flag.

Paypal sucks. Letting Paypal try to protect users is as bad as having the government try to protect us.

There's no excuse for them to sit on that money for more than 1 day. If te cause isn't approved, then refund the money. Their policy of taking a month to review cases is insanely inadequate.

I totally agree with you here.

This is simply a case of people who have good hearts and a lot of initiative and little time trying to pull this together using a defective money-collecting web site.

 

[Peterjar]

The bright Side

I am sure this has been mentioned but why not mention it again:

What will the Granny Warriors do with the 50K? I am sure they will put it to excellent use. Lets generate ideas for them on this thread.

(1) Forward the money into a special "in case we need another recount" account.
(2) But thousands of Roses for the Se. of State of NH every day for the next two weeks until he pukes roses (kill him softly with Roses)
(3) .... [fill in the blank]

 

[WATYF]

So, the following is what we are meant to believe:

1. PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to what has been happening during this campaign and thus have no idea how quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds.
2. PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters were in the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely break the target REGARDLESS of what last minute donations were required.
3. PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that this appeal ran that they managed to:
1. Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times making it impossible during this time to donate any money at all.
2. Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after around $40,000 had been donated requiring the Granny Warriors to start a new ChipIn for the remaining monies.
3. Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and off on the final fundraising date.
4. Stop the recount by denying that all and any funds received are now frozen (note: NOT just the $1000 which, by this point, was no longer needed as we were over the top by then) pending an investigation into where a perfectly decent sized donation came from.
4. The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the deadline or accept that said funds exist regardless of the amount of documented evidence placed on his desk.
5. This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of events was, at no point whatsoever, manipulated by anybody to ensure that this recount never took place.



I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1 through 4 could possibly have happened without 5 being false.



I never will either.

haha... wow... just wow.

So you're surprised that PayPal doesn't hire people to watch the presidential contenders and see what their supporters are like and follow donation trends (not donations through PayPal, but just donation trends in general for each candidate) and then peruse their own userbase (and the entire internet) and keep an eye out for any PayPal users who might be Ron Paul supporters and then watch any RP supporter's PayPal accounts so that none of them get frozen for unusually large transactions?

Really?

That's what you're expecting?

You honestly believe that PayPal should have been aware that "Ron Paul supporters were in the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely break the target" and that they should have been "paying attention to what has been happening during this campaign and [known] how quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds"???

Really?

You really think a business should be doing all that? And you furthermore think that because a billion dollar, international, privately own business wasn't watching the Ron Paul campaign as closely as you are, that it must mean that they were conspiring against it?


Wow.



WATYF

 

[WATYF]

I am sure this has been mentioned but why not mention it again:

What will the Granny Warriors do with the 50K? I am sure they will put it to excellent use. Lets generate ideas for them on this thread.

(1) Forward the money into a special "in case we need another recount" account.
(2) But thousands of Roses for the Se. of State of NH every day for the next two weeks until he pukes roses (kill him softly with Roses)
(3) .... [fill in the blank]

(3) Donate it all to the campaign on MLK day to bolster the size of the money bomb.


The money bombs generate (positive) media expose and get RP's name mentioned to people who may not have heard of him yet. While your idea of giving roses to the SoS may seem like a cool way to "get back" at him, it accomplishes nothing for the campaign, and if I had given money to the GW's, I definitely wouldn't want it being used for something like that.


WATYF

 

[Jesubub]

Can someone tell me which PayPal withdrawal option Granny was planning to use to get the money out at the last minute? It takes 3-4 days to get a bank transfer & 1-2 weeks for a check, and the PayPal debit card has a $3,000 daily limit.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

haha... wow... just wow.

So you're surprised that PayPal doesn't hire people to watch the presidential contenders and see what their supporters are like and follow donation trends (not donations through PayPal, but just donation trends in general for each candidate) and then peruse their own userbase (and the entire internet) and keep an eye out for any PayPal users who might be Ron Paul supporters and then watch any RP supporter's PayPal accounts so that none of them get frozen for unusually large transactions?

Really?

That's what you're expecting?

You honestly believe that PayPal should have been aware that "Ron Paul supporters were in the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely break the target" and that they should have been "paying attention to what has been happening during this campaign and [known] how quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds"???

Really?

You really think a business should be doing all that? And you furthermore think that because a billion dollar, international, privately own business wasn't watching the Ron Paul campaign as closely as you are, that it must mean that they were conspiring against it?


Wow.



WATYF

Not to mention doing all this right along side hundreds of thousands of regular everyday transactions that they are involved in. I mean heaven forbid they did not drop all their other business to focus on this effort and also change rules just to make it work how we wanted.

 

[CurtisLow]

From me!

 

[ScotTX]

I just heard Linda Hunnicut on Alex jones say that the deadline has been extended and the Granny Warriors WILL pay for the re-count today. She also said that all of the money came from one individual and she will use the chip-in to re-imburse that individual. So it looks like the re-count is on, but the people re-counting are the same people that counted the ballots in the first place, for what good that will do.

 

[fmontez]

Mod please remove this post, there is no evidence of sabotage. Misleading title.