Confirmed: PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount

I'm trying to cancel my paypal but it requires me to enter all my credit card numbers.. just to cancel.. WTF mann
 
The grannies are working their butts off for Ron Paul's election.

Nobody pointed out that PayPal was the wrong way to collect money if there was a payment deadline.

Also what happened to "natural justice." Is that a legal concept in the States? The state official should have said, "You have documentary evidence that you have raised the funds. We will defer the count until they come through."
 
John_Haigh said:
The grannies are working their butts off for Ron Paul's election.

Nobody pointed out that PayPal was the wrong way to collect money if there was a payment deadline.

Also what happened to "natural justice." Is that a legal concept in the States? The state official should have said, "You have documentary evidence that you have raised the funds. We will defer the count until they come through."
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Well, apparently ChipIn has sold out to PayPal. There are statements littered all over their site that you can have the ChipIn pay out to check, ACH or PayPal, but when you actually try to enroll, you don't have an option, and in the FAQ it states:

"Do I have to be a PayPal customer to use ChipIn?

You do not need to be a PayPal customer in order to contribute to a ChipIn. However, the only way to receive funds from ChipIn is through PayPal. Therefore, ChipIn organizers must have PayPal accounts."

Are there any other alternatives to ChipIn?
 
Ron Paul said he didn't want a recount, but you guys kept pushing...

I do admit though, 50 thousand gone is horrible...
 
jrich4rpaul said:
Ron Paul said he didn't want a recount, but you guys kept pushing...

I do admit though, 50 thousand gone is horrible...
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The money isn't gone, the recount is going to take place...they just had to turn up the heat a little bit to get it done.

I never saw this recount as something being done for Dr. Paul, it was done for the voters of New Hampshire. With all due respect, Ron Paul's opinion on this matter is no more relevant than that of anyone else that doesn't call New Hampshire home.
 
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jcims said:
The money isn't gone, the recount is going to take place...they just had to turn up the heat a little bit to get it done.

I never saw this recount as something being done for Dr. Paul. This was done for the voters of New Hampshire, so, with all due respect, Ron Paul's opinion on this matter is no more relevant than mine or than that of anyone else that doesn't call New Hampshire home.
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The recount was only "for the voters of New Hampshire?" It wasn't about a candidate's votes?

You'll have to elaborate.
 
Time to cancle Paypal.

We need competition! That's the only way to resovle this matter! Paypal has sold their soul to the highest bidder....

I've never left my balance on paypal, but in my bank account. However, given this infraction on trust I cannot ever see myself working with Paypal again. Who's to say that when I put MY MONEY TOWARDS A CAUSE I BELIEVE IN, THAT MY MONEY WON'T BE FROZEN?!

PAYPAL, YOU NEED TO BE FROZEN!


Sincerely cancelling paypal,
Denny
 
jrich4rpaul said:
The recount was only "for the voters of New Hampshire?" It wasn't about a candidate's votes?

You'll have to elaborate.
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Look at the current results here: http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

First column, second line: Manchester Ward 2 in Hillsborough county. Senator Joe Biden gets seven votes in the official count, but on the recount they found two more (nearly 30% increase!) There are two people behind these uncounted votes, two people that got off their rear ends, drove to the polling station, stood in line, filled out their forms, showed their id's and voted their hearts. Joe isn't going to move up a single spot because of this, but there are are now nine people in Manchester Ward 2 of Hillsborough county that can be certain their voices were heard, and that this process actually means something after all. As you start looking through the results so far, for this one county, you find these discrepancies everywhere. There is absolutely no good excuse for it, just apathy, incompetence, and in some very rare circumstances, corruption.

If Ron Paul edges out Giuluani, or some massive discrepancy causes states everywhere to improve their voting process, we all win. But for now I'm just happy for the voters of New Hampshire and see this as a big win for them.
 
jcims said:
Look at the current results here: http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

First column, second line: Manchester Ward 2 in Hillsborough county. Senator Joe Biden gets seven votes in the official count, but on the recount they found two more (nearly 30% increase!) There are two people behind these uncounted votes, two people that got off their rear ends, drove to the polling station, stood in line, filled out their forms, showed their id's and voted their hearts. Joe isn't going to move up a single spot because of this, but there are are now nine people in Manchester Ward 2 of Hillsborough county that can be certain their voices were heard, and that this process actually means something after all. As you start looking through the results so far, for this one county, you find these discrepancies everywhere. There is absolutely no good excuse for it, just apathy, incompetence, and in some very rare circumstances, corruption.

If Ron Paul edges out Giuluani, or some massive discrepancy causes states everywhere to improve their voting process, we all win. But for now I'm just happy for the voters of New Hampshire and see this as a big win for them.
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It makes sense now :) So did things get worked out or is the recount called off?
 
Recount results from January 16, 2008:
http://www.sos.state.nh.us/recountresults.htm

From: http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

We just got word from Paypal after a all night battle with them sending them tons of information and verifying my legality and things that had absolutely nothing to do with this event. Anyway a very nice lady at Pay Pal realized the seriousness of this and looked into the whole thing and has unfrozen the account. The only thing that is frozen still is that questionable donation of $1000 that started the whole affair.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONCERN AND CARING FOR US. It really makes me feel so special to think people all over the country care about what happens to us. I am so priveledged to know this group and to be a small part of it.

The money was borrowed and we have the recount paid for and ready to go. The Secretary of State has the money and Mr. Howard has the signed receipt.

Now all we have to do is pay back the loan which we will do with the lady at Paypal so there are no more mishaps and we are good to go.

Thank you all again for your support.

We are between Atlanta and Greenville SC now headed for the Blimp site for tomorrow if the ice storm holds off. Brrrrrrrrrrrr and I left that warm state of Texas for this? I must be nuts. But if Ron can take the cold surely I can too and he will warm us all up with his appearances.

* January 16 1:47pm

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

PayPal Freeze out
We have sent off the money to a newly opened bank account in NH opened by the former Attorney General for this purpose. The funds left our account and we thought it was a done deal.

As soon as I sent out the message the money was on its way we received a big donation of $1000 and it got flagged as a suspicious entry.? below is the actual paypal notice:

Inquiry by PayPal - Case ID: PP-403-499-846
Status:Waiting For Seller's ResponseTransaction ID:00S01027UD303372FBuyer Name & Email:Jerjis Alajaji, [email protected]ransaction Amount:$1,000.00 USDTransaction Date:Jan. 15, 2008


* January 15 10:52pm

Possible updates (none as of this post) http://www.sos.state.nh.us/
 
1% error rate "expected" by Diebold???????

Brad Blog : The disparities, as I've quickly been able to review them, are small, but consistent, in ward after ward, across almost all of the candidates. I'm told that the manufacturers of the optical-scan machines (in this case, Diebold) have estimated an expected error rate of 1% on this type of tallying device which, as noted by one of our contacts in NH, is ridiculous, if you consider that most states and counties only kick in "automatic recounts" when the margin between the two leading candidates is less than .5% or so.
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Now we know why they kept it all secret! Imagine 1% error rate in a national election.... how many "missed" votes would that be?
 
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