Confirmed:Miranda Rights Won't Be Read For Boston Bombing Suspect

[angelatc]

If's astounding the compassion you have for your fellow human being. But I know you believe the 'official story' and therefore this kid, in your mind, is an animal for what he allegedly did, right?

I want him to get a trial, if that's what you're asking.

 

[jmdrake]

Even when they are sent to Gitmo? The buzz talk this morning is that he should be sent to Gitmo. We know if he goes to Gitmo he'll admit to assassinating JFK after they torture him.

Thankfully Gitmo is still the exception and not the rule. Everyday people get screwed over by talking to the police when they don't have too. If you're being tortured in Gitmo...well obviously you've reached a point where nobody cares about your rights anyway.

 

[donnay]

I want him to get a trial, if that's what you're asking.

And you think this trial will be fair? This was trial by media--he is already convicted and may get a death sentence very soon. If he dies many people will cheer just like the idiots in Boston who gleefully cheered his arrest and apprehension. A good majority of people will be relieved if he dies so their taxes are not wasted on a silly trial and some bleeding heart shyster gets him off.

 

[angelatc]

And you think this trial will be fair? This was trial by media--he is already convicted and may get a death sentence very soon. If he dies many people will cheer just like the idiots in Boston who gleefully cheered his arrest and apprehension. A good majority of people will be relieved if he dies so their taxes are not wasted on a silly trial and some bleeding heart shyster gets him off.

OJ got a not guilty verdict. But you don't think he even stand trial?

 

[donnay]

OJ got a not guilty verdict. But you don't think he even stand trial?

Oh no, he was considered the suspect and he was arrested and brought to trial. He got the best attorneys money can by--the dream team.

I am all for jury nullification.


"Better one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be condemned." ~ Thomas Jefferson

 

[angelatc]

Oh no, he was considered the suspect and he was arrested and brought to trial. He got the best attorneys money can by--the dream team.

I am all for jury nullification.


"Better one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be condemned." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Jury nullification? You think the jury should find that the law that prohibits detonating explosives in crowds should be nullified?

 

[silverhandorder]

I don't think there should be exception for terrorism. Process him the same way. There isn't that much difference to suggest we would lose valuable information if we try him as a criminal.

Disclaimer free marker police and courts would do a better job.

 

[donnay]

Jury nullification? You think the jury should find that the law that prohibits detonating explosives in crowds should be nullified?

The American people have a double standard. How many times has our government ordered explosives to be detonated in a crowd overseas?

A fully informed jury...not a fully controlled jury.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." ~ Thomas Jefferson

 

[otherone]

At some point in time, there was a presumption of innocence in this country. The burden of proof is on the state. None of the conjecture we've been fed is material to what actually occurred. The trial should be public, but it won't be, under the aegis of "national security". The kid will be black-bagged.
Conspiracy theories grow like mushrooms...only when they feed us shit and keep us in the dark.

 

[donnay]

I don't think there should be exception for terrorism. Process him the same way. There isn't that much difference to suggest we would lose valuable information if we try him as a criminal.

Disclaimer free marker police and courts would do a better job.

So you are okay with mercenaries? Those loyal to a paycheck rather than justice?

 

[angelatc]

The American people have a double standard. How many times has our government ordered explosives to be detonated in a crowd overseas?

A fully informed jury...not a fully controlled jury.

Wow. So you really think that it should be ok to blow up bombs in crowds, as long as you have a reason?

 

[angelatc]

At some point in time, there was a presumption of innocence in this country. The burden of proof is on the state. None of the conjecture we've been fed is material to what actually occurred. The trial should be public, but it won't be, under the aegis of "national security". The kid will be black-bagged.

I hope you're wrong, but I am sad that I am not sure you are wrong, and in fear that you are probably right.

 

[donnay]

Wow. So you really think that it should be ok to blow up bombs in crowds, as long as you have a reason?

Angela, you should have been a prosecutor, you definitely have a knack for twisting what people say, but I digress.

We are creating all kinds of animosity around the globe. Sooner or later we will have to deal with it, because we continue to kick a hornet's nest. If we want any form of peace we have to learn to truly lead by example.

I am not for anyone detonating any bombs on anyone. Nevertheless, our very own government does it everyday and people gleefully cheer it on!

 

[Brett85]

Angela, you should have been a prosecutor, you definitely have a knack for twisting what people say, but I digress.

We are creating all kinds of animosity around the globe. Sooner or later we will have to deal with it, because we continue to kick a hornet's nest. If we want any form of peace we have to learn to truly lead by example.

I am not for anyone detonating any bombs on anyone. Nevertheless, our very own government does it everyday and people gleefully cheer it on!

That's true, and I'm all in favor of changing our foreign policy and just leaving the rest of the world alone. However, the difference between this bombing and the drone bombings are that this bomber intentionally killed innocent people, whereas in the drone bombings innocent people are killed, but it's unintentional.

I'm not justifying it, just explaining the difference.

 

[MisfitToy]

I don't think he's going to die for this, not by anyone's else's hand anyway. He's not a leader, he's an example and it would be foolish to make him anything more through execution. Suicide is a very convenient option here.

I think making this a public trial would invoke political retribution the public isn't aware of because God only knows what web our government has woven to cause this act.

 

[WarNoMore]

That's true, and I'm all in favor of changing our foreign policy and just leaving the rest of the world alone. However, the difference between this bombing and the drone bombings are that this bomber intentionally killed innocent people, whereas in the drone bombings innocent people are killed, but it's unintentional.

I wouldn't say they're unintentional. It's an intentional choice to order a drone strike on a wedding or a school, where many more innocent people will be killed than "guilty" people. The policy deems civilian deaths as being acceptable. Civilians are simply collateral damage.

 

[donnay]

That's true, and I'm all in favor of changing our foreign policy and just leaving the rest of the world alone. However, the difference between this bombing and the drone bombings are that this bomber intentionally killed innocent people, whereas in the drone bombings innocent people are killed, but it's unintentional.

I'm not justifying it, just explaining the difference.

Your explanation is a true definition of cognizant dissonance. Sadly many people think this is okay.

 

[silverhandorder]

So you are okay with mercenaries? Those loyal to a paycheck rather than justice?

Yes. Far better then police. Would not need to shut down Boston to get the kid too. Brother would be alive as well and being questioned.

 

[otherone]

I hope you're wrong, but I am sad that I am not sure you are wrong, and in fear that you are probably right.

The state's primary concern in handling terrorism is to keep it's own dealings shrouded in secrecy. Conspiracy theories aside, the Central Intelligence Agency is involved politically all over the world. 'Tis a fact, jack. There is no way they will allow a magnifying glass to scrutinize any of their activity in Chechnya. Whether this kid is innocent or guilty, alive or dead, whether the people of Boston get justice, whether foreign combatants or peaceful citizens have their Rights suspended due to "public safety", and even whether or not the CIA is actually behind the scenes in Chechnya... all of this is not important to the state. The kid will disappear, and the sheep will all baaaa in unison that the gubment knows so much more than us stupid common sheep, so's it's ok.

 

[angelatc]

Angela, you should have been a prosecutor, you definitely have a knack for twisting what people say, but I digress.

We are creating all kinds of animosity around the globe. Sooner or later we will have to deal with it, because we continue to kick a hornet's nest. If we want any form of peace we have to learn to truly lead by example.

I am not for anyone detonating any bombs on anyone. Nevertheless, our very own government does it everyday and people gleefully cheer it on!

Sure, we are all in agreement that this is probably blowback of some sort. But that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

I saw this quote today:

“We’re seeing that blowback,” retired Marine Gen. James Cartwright, Obama’s former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently told the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. “If you’re trying to kill your way to a solution, no matter how precise you are, you’re going to upset people even if they’re not targeted.”

But the part that scares me is that in context, and if I had to guess at the inflection, this is his way of dismissing the attacks on Americans as collateral damage, and not a call for reexamining our foreign policy.

But that doesn't mean I think the bomber should not be prosecuted for his actions, because I absolutely do. But I don't believe in the death penalty, either.